Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

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Anonymous wrote:Was the defense prohibited from mentioning or arguing re his COVID?

Not if he couldn't get an expert to testify that it was relevant - which it wasn't.

The defense lawyer needs to stop - he's just rambling now and the jury hasn't had lunch.

How can you not get someone to testify it could be relevant?? There is a ton of research showing covid causes damage to heart and lungs particularly in the short term (months) following. At the time of the event, that was all just beginning to be studied so it’s no surprise the autopsy said no reason to be linked. But without a doubt based on what we know now it can be related. Heck, they say that athletes cannot return to practice for certain number of weeks after a case or unless passing a battery of tests because the residual effects on the heart make exercising/extreme exertions dangerou

Whether or not he had a past case of covid is irrelevant to having a grown man kneel on your neck cutting off your air supply for 9 minutes.

He wasn’t on his neck, and he was in the side position to provide air for the key time period, and his air supply could not have been cut off by the knee, and the medical examiner said asphyxiation was not the cause of death. All things I learned from the trial that changed my view to not guilty

Then you weren’t paying attention. He had his full weight on his neck and back.

So Floyd just up and died after being perfectly fine 9 minutes before? That’s an irrational conclusion.

No, he did not have his full weight on anything, first of all. Second of all, the medical examiner stated that there was zero pushing, damage or other indication of pressure on his neck or cervical spine. None. If he had his full weight on his neck, there 100% would have been. The video and the ME report and testimony shows that the knee was on the upper back, not the neck

The medical examiner stated that Floyd's heart disease and drug use contributed to his death, but police officers' restraint of his body and compression of his neck were the primary causes.

Not sure where pp is getting their facts from.

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What's going on with witness intimidation?
That's not legal.

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Anonymous wrote:seems like the decision to not have the jury sequestered this weekend will lead to defense motioning for another mistrial, no? some pretty interesting developments:

-Congresswoman Maxine Waters, in Brooklyn, calling for more confrontations if its not a guilty murder charge.

-2 MN national guardsmen fired upon in a drive by shooting in Brooklyn not long after that.

-Severed pigs head left and pigs blood splattered at former home of defense use of force witness Brodd, thinking he still lived there.

Would they motion for it before jury deliberations or just hang on to that for appeals if it is a verdict they don't like? both?

Care to provide a link from a credible source for all these claims?

sure, sorry i thought these were main stream by now:

Maxine:
https://twitter.com/DDarnae/status/1383632421304737794/video/1

Drive By:
https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-national-guard-says-members-sustained-minor-injuries-in-sunday-morning-drive-by-shooting-i/600047408/

witnesses house:
https://www.startribune.com/pigs-head-left-at-former-home-of-chauvin-defense-witness/600047505/

Maxcine Waters talks like a blood thirsty terrorist. She need to go.

Inciting violence is criminal. There was already plenty of violence going on, and she showed up on the scene to incite more. Yet she demanded Capitol Police to protect her. She has a very long history of inciting violence.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if Chauvin’s end goal was to kill Floyd, but it is very clear Chauvin didn’t care if he did.

Floyd did not die from covid, or heart disease or heart attack, or drugs or a benign cyst or exhaust from the car. If he would have been left in the car he would be alive. If he were left sitting on the curb, he’d be alive. If he was left kneeling outside the car, he’d be alive. If he would have been laid prone and nothing else, he’d be alive. If not for the knee on the neck for over 9 minutes, he’d be alive. Chauvin did not follow protocol and put him in the recovery position. Even after another officer said Floyd had no pulse and was not breathing, he “stayed the course” and did not put him in the recovery position nor did he provide medical care as the protocol states. He is guilty and God help us if the jury does not come to the same conclusion.

But what you are saying is not the legal standard. The covid, heart disease, and drugs were preceding events that contributed to his death. There was no reasonable basis to believe that what Chauvin was doing - which was protocol and what he was trained on and he and others have done per protocol many times before and studies show never results in death - would have caused his death. There was zero intent or reasonable basis to believe he would have killed him.

He did NOT follow protocol because if he did, Floyd would not be dead. He was never placed in the recovery position. Also, How do excuse when the other officer said Floyd was not breathing and had no pulse he continued to kneel on him for an additional 3 minutes without providing medical care like CPR?

You are reaching to excuse a police perpetrated killing by claiming typical health issues caused Floyd to die and not the 9 minutes of being kneeled on. You are victim blaiming and it’s tired.

I don’t know what crew you hang with but typical health issues do not include covid recovery, myocarditis, arteries that are 75% and 90% narrowed, fentanyl, methamphetamine, and cannabis/THC all at once going on.

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Yet he was alive prior to this encounter.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet he was alive prior to this encounter.

Grandma was alive until she died.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if Chauvin’s end goal was to kill Floyd, but it is very clear Chauvin didn’t care if he did.

Floyd did not die from covid, or heart disease or heart attack, or drugs or a benign cyst or exhaust from the car. If he would have been left in the car he would be alive. If he were left sitting on the curb, he’d be alive. If he was left kneeling outside the car, he’d be alive. If he would have been laid prone and nothing else, he’d be alive. If not for the knee on the neck for over 9 minutes, he’d be alive. Chauvin did not follow protocol and put him in the recovery position. Even after another officer said Floyd had no pulse and was not breathing, he “stayed the course” and did not put him in the recovery position nor did he provide medical care as the protocol states. He is guilty and God help us if the jury does not come to the same conclusion.

But what you are saying is not the legal standard. The covid, heart disease, and drugs were preceding events that contributed to his death. There was no reasonable basis to believe that what Chauvin was doing - which was protocol and what he was trained on and he and others have done per protocol many times before and studies show never results in death - would have caused his death. There was zero intent or reasonable basis to believe he would have killed him.

Those are all fake facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if Chauvin’s end goal was to kill Floyd, but it is very clear Chauvin didn’t care if he did.

Floyd did not die from covid, or heart disease or heart attack, or drugs or a benign cyst or exhaust from the car. If he would have been left in the car he would be alive. If he were left sitting on the curb, he’d be alive. If he was left kneeling outside the car, he’d be alive. If he would have been laid prone and nothing else, he’d be alive. If not for the knee on the neck for over 9 minutes, he’d be alive. Chauvin did not follow protocol and put him in the recovery position. Even after another officer said Floyd had no pulse and was not breathing, he “stayed the course” and did not put him in the recovery position nor did he provide medical care as the protocol states. He is guilty and God help us if the jury does not come to the same conclusion.

But what you are saying is not the legal standard. The covid, heart disease, and drugs were preceding events that contributed to his death. There was no reasonable basis to believe that what Chauvin was doing - which was protocol and what he was trained on and he and others have done per protocol many times before and studies show never results in death - would have caused his death. There was zero intent or reasonable basis to believe he would have killed him.

Those are all fake facts.

Weird because i got that from the evidence admitted into trial that wasn’t objected to

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Anonymous wrote:Was the defense prohibited from mentioning or arguing re his COVID?

If so, that is a huge ground for appeal. That would be unbelievable. If not, also a ground for appeal for ineffective counsel because that would have been an incredibly powerful part of the defense

I don’t recall anything in pretrial that ruled it out. To be honest, I expected defense to attack causation more. At the time of the autopsy we didn’t know as much about Covid as we do now. There must be a reason, maybe defense thought it wasn’t a strong argument for some reason and risked losing credibility.

That’s not my personal read on whether the defendant is guilty, just that I thought more focused causation arguments could have been made by the defense instead of trying to convince that the use of force was no big deal (which sort of required arguing in a circle: he had to keep restraining Floyd for safety which looked bad but was necessary but also wasn’t using maximal restraint so it was no big deal). I think the defense was treading water a bit towards the end and thought that missed carbon monoxide report was going to be a good strategy to create reasonable doubt without a strong rebuttal, but Tobin was able to infer the levels from information contained in another report that was entered into evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if Chauvin’s end goal was to kill Floyd, but it is very clear Chauvin didn’t care if he did.

Floyd did not die from covid, or heart disease or heart attack, or drugs or a benign cyst or exhaust from the car. If he would have been left in the car he would be alive. If he were left sitting on the curb, he’d be alive. If he was left kneeling outside the car, he’d be alive. If he would have been laid prone and nothing else, he’d be alive. If not for the knee on the neck for over 9 minutes, he’d be alive. Chauvin did not follow protocol and put him in the recovery position. Even after another officer said Floyd had no pulse and was not breathing, he “stayed the course” and did not put him in the recovery position nor did he provide medical care as the protocol states. He is guilty and God help us if the jury does not come to the same conclusion.

But what you are saying is not the legal standard. The covid, heart disease, and drugs were preceding events that contributed to his death. There was no reasonable basis to believe that what Chauvin was doing - which was protocol and what he was trained on and he and others have done per protocol many times before and studies show never results in death - would have caused his death. There was zero intent or reasonable basis to believe he would have killed him.

Those are all fake facts.

Weird because i got that from the evidence admitted into trial that wasn’t objected to

Yes, you're weird. Were you watching the trial?

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Anonymous wrote:Any guesses on how long the jury will be out? Will they try to have the verdict read in the AM vs PM?

The judge said that he would allow the jury to deliberate until 7pm tonight and then they would break and begin again the next day. He indicated that if the jury returned a verdict in the afternoon/evening, it would likely be read the next day and wouldn’t be read near dark. They are going to have a 2-3 hour delay between the return of the verdict and the public reading.

My guess is the jury won’t be out that long in this case but there’s no way to know.

[Anonymous]

What are community leaders and BLM doing to call for peace and ensure safety?

[Anonymous]

Also, for those still following from earlier discussions in the thread, here is the link to the final jury instructions:

https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/JuryInstructions04192021.pdf

Unlike the judge in the Noor case, Cahill did not include “without the benefit of hindsight” in the “Authorized Use of Force by a Police Officer” section. It does say to look at the facts known at the precise moment they acted with force (all very similar language in that respect).

The jury will need to return a unanimous decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Any guesses on how long the jury will be out? Will they try to have the verdict read in the AM vs PM?

The judge said that he would allow the jury to deliberate until 7pm tonight and then they would break and begin again the next day. He indicated that if the jury returned a verdict in the afternoon/evening, it would likely be read the next day and wouldn’t be read near dark. They are going to have a 2-3 hour delay between the return of the verdict and the public reading.

My guess is the jury won’t be out that long in this case but there’s no way to know.

What's the 2-3 hour delay for?
So they can get out of town alive? Riots will go on, no matter what the verdict is. The out-of-state thugs have trained long and hard to show off their skills. Why pass up another opportunity to desimate another black neighborhood?

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Anonymous wrote:Any guesses on how long the jury will be out? Will they try to have the verdict read in the AM vs PM?

The judge said that he would allow the jury to deliberate until 7pm tonight and then they would break and begin again the next day. He indicated that if the jury returned a verdict in the afternoon/evening, it would likely be read the next day and wouldn’t be read near dark. They are going to have a 2-3 hour delay between the return of the verdict and the public reading.

My guess is the jury won’t be out that long in this case but there’s no way to know.

What's the 2-3 hour delay for?
So they can get out of town alive? Riots will go on, no matter what the verdict is. The out-of-state thugs have trained long and hard to show off their skills. Why pass up another opportunity to desimate another black neighborhood?

Yes.
Give the local residents time to leave work, pick up their kids from school/daycare, and hunker down.