20 victims reported at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter if he is pro or anti-Trump. It doesn't matter what his sexual orientation or identity is. None of that matters.

If he didn't have access to guns, he couldn't have killed to innocent children. He couldn't have shot over a dozen others.

Anyone who does not see this, is complicit.

The pro-gun people will also come in here insisting that restricting access to guns / making the purchase of a gun more difficult wouldn’t have done anything. But in this case, and in many other mass shooting attempts, the guns were newly purchased! I understand that there are tons of guns already out there. But that doesn’t mean we should not do something about future gun sales and access.

Well people still drive drunk even though drunk driving is illegal so we may as well not bother with breathalyzers or DUI checkpoints.

/s

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Anonymous wrote:Big Pharma is a big problem here not guns. Majority of these shooters are on SSRI’s or recently, puberty blockers. Nobody wants to call out the elephant in the room:
Big Pharma

It is insane to me how among the listed side effects for SSRIs - drugs given for severe depression - are suicidal thoughts and suicidal behavior! What are the point of these poisonous things???

It’s also dumb that teens can’t vape or smoke until 18 or drink till they’re 21 because alcohol is considered a mind altering drug yet they can take SSRI’s or completely change their gender with puberty blockers while underage.

Teens are already mentally not all the way there so imagine with medication

You can’t drink until 21 but you can buy a gun at 18.

Guns should require a safety class and test (like driving lessons) that come with a cost and parental and medical provider sign-off before anyone gets close to having the privilege to buy a gun.

This is the solution! A start. Banning firearms is the end goal, but this is what we do as soon as we have a real leader in the USA. Or even on state level in states with sensible lawmakers.

Why not just start with the end goal? Don’t you even care about all the people who will still die getting from your “start point” to the end goal? What about them? Don’t they matter? You’re willing to sacrifice them to incremental progress?

That’s F’d up.

Firearms cannot be banned. Not lawfully. Not practically. It is a reality-denying confabulation to insist on magical solutions while ignoring the root causes of psychopathy and criminal violence.

They actually can be banned but Republicans refuse to allow it.

“Banned” like illicit narcotics and all the other contraband in which the country is, and has long been, awash? There is a federal “ban” on marijuana. Illegitimate and unprescribed fentanyl is “banned” everywhere. We all know how that’s worked out.

Do you think we are idiots that don’t know other nations don’t have our gun violence issues?

“Gun violence” is a handy rhetorical buzzword for criminal misuse of firearms.

I didn’t call anybody any names. If somebody feels like they’re an idiot when the error of what purports to be their reasoning becomes evident, that feeling would be for them to examine.

Other nations, as has been repeatedly and exhaustively discussed in this and other threads, are not the same as the United States. There are places in the world where essentially every home has a fully automatic, machine gun, battle rifle, weapon of war, AK pattern rifle. They have plenty of internecine violence but nobody is shooting up schools.

It is delusional to believe that firearms can be magically “disappeared” from the United States, never to reappear. Continuing to posit that as a “solution” to unlawful criminal violence committed with firearms distracts from the real problem of criminal psychopaths and their psychopathic criminal misconduct.

In any event, the point of my post was that paper “bans” may briefly feel satisfying, but that there is a long way between what’s on paper and what’s actually happening in reality.

NP.

+1000

This post sums it up so well. So many societal problems far, far beyond shootings, could be addressed and helped if we took mental health as seriously as other countries do.

A good start is to bring back the in-patient mental hospitals to help the ones most in-need in our country. We never should have eliminated those facilities. Reform, yes, but not the wholesale closure which we implemented.

I agree with you we need to fix societal issues like better inpatient mental health treatment, but I disagree with the PP that gun reform means “paper bans.”

We need —

Gun buy backs. Offer financial incentives to get as many off the street as possible, no questions asked during a certain phase-in period.

Strict liability (e.g, someone else accesses your gun and shoots up a school or you leave it unattended so a toddler kills themself, this is some level of homicide). Make a big show of charging people as accessories to crimes so we can scare the crap out of people who aren’t keeping their guns secure. If you own a gun, you own the result of anyone harmed by it. If you are a responsible gun owner already taking precautions, you should have no problem with this. Only people who know they are careless will have anything to worry about. Exemptions for people who timely report stolen weapons.

Mandatory gun registration and requiring storage in a biometric safe when it’s not being carried on your person. This goes back to the strict liability above. Your gun is either on your person or in a safe. If you fail to do so, you accept civil and criminal liability for whatever happens with that gun. Intent for the result itself doesn’t matter (see felony murder rules in many states).

Failure to register a gun is a felony and make it easier for the government to confiscate guns from people who don’t have registration. This includes finding guns at traffic stops.

Mandatory insurance and tracking/limits regarding the amount of ammunition you can buy. If I can manage to show my ID to buy cold medicine, then people can show an ID to buy bullets, which kill people. Rates go up the more guns and ammo you buy.

Stricter enforcement of existing laws. No more “second chances” for people who commit gun crimes. A friend of mine was murdered by someone who had a prior gun charge that was pled down and had been let back out after just 2 years. I think if you commit a felony with a gun (robbery, assault, etc.) you get a mandatory minimum of 20 years.

Also, stop charging 16 and 17 year olds as juveniles. The vast majority of teens are not out shooting people so this isn’t simply dumb teenage behavior. At this point they’re old enough to understand their actions. They just don’t want the consequences.

Improvement in family courts and prosecution of domestic violence. Stop making parents hand their kids over for visits with nut jobs known to be violent.

Requirements for social media companies to use AI to flag manifestos and posts with guns. It’s absolutely infuriating that this Minn shooter uploaded looney tunes videos to YouTube and no one did a damn thing.

These are just off the top of my head. I’m sure as technology advances we can build on this.

all of this.

[Anonymous]

The gun for him is a TOOL.

His own mental illness is revealed in his writings. You have to deal with the mental illness.

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Anonymous wrote:For trans people being so rare, they sure do commit a lot of school shootings.

Now do cis white men. This isn't a trans issue. FFS.

Proportionally, trans people have committed more mass shootings than cis white men over the past 5 years.

White men = 30% of population that commits 54% of the mass shootings.

Black men = 7% of population that commits 28% of the mass shootings

Transgenders = 0.5-1% of population that commits 3% of the mass shootings.

Sources

https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/
And
Pew research us population

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Anonymous wrote:As an elementary school teacher, it broke my heart to see the kids being interviewed and struck me how they were not at all surprised that this happened to them. Our kids are growing up expecting to go through an active shooter situation at school.

We are breeding the next generation of domestic terrorists.

+1 How can this be the world we leave to our children?

It's only the "world" in the US. Other civilized countries don't have this issue.

I've told my kids who have dual citizenship with a European country to seriously think about moving there if they have kids. The US is a horrible place to raise children.

My friend moved to Portugal with her family, including little kids. They never ever worry about school shootings, or shootings anywhere.

If you think other civilized countries in the world don’t have this problem you are ill informed. It might not be guns in Europe but there are now frequent mass killings using vehicles and knives.

Sydney, Australia mall killings April 2024. Man uses knife to kill 6 people and injure 12.

Norway July 2011. Man sets off bomb in Oslo killing 7 then goes to an island where there was a youth camp and killed 69 people there.

Germany 6 dead, 200 injured in Dec 2024 Christmas market attack. 2016 Christmas market attack in Germany killed 12.

China 2023 man uses knife to kill 6 children in a kindergarten.

China 2024 man uses knife to
Kill 8 and injure 17.

Portugal Sept 2014. 12 year old boy wearing a bulletproof vest stabs six children ages 11-14 at his school.

Austria June 2025 school shooting. 21 year old shoots and kills 9 at a school.

2002 Germany school shooting kills 17.

Jokela Germany school shooting in 2007 kills 9.

Finland school shooting 2008 kills 10. Gunman was inspired by 2007 German killing.

May 2023 school shooting in Serbia kills 10.

Chech Republic Dec 2023 school shooting 15 dead

Swedish school shooting 2025 former student kills 10.

I don’t think it should be legal to have the type and variety of guns that are available in the US but I no longer believe in banning guns. It’s too late.

I think the internet should be massively censored instead. Online chat rooms of people discussing violence and people being able to look up details of previous school shootings should not be allowed. Media coverage of school shoutings should be censored with no details given of shooter besides sex and age. No names or photos available. This recent school shooter wrote about being inspired by Sandy Hook.

It’s a perverse cycle. Parents want their kids to have a phone in case of a school shooting but the internet on those phones are deadly.

Do you not understand the difference between an anecdote and statistical rate?

Sigh.

Yes, which is why you should look at the numbers of school shootings from 1930 to 1990 and ask yourself why there were virtually none back then even though gun laws were lax back then.

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Anonymous wrote:For trans people being so rare, they sure do commit a lot of school shootings.

Isn't it like 2, out of a total of about 1000 school shootings over the last 5 years?

I think it’s like .1% of mass shootings that are committed by trans people.

Also, I’m not 100% sure these “trans” shooters are really trans vs. mentally ill with gender dysphoria.

To be clear, I’m not saying being trans is a mental illness. But I do think there is a delineation between genuinely trans people just trying to live their lives to match their inside vs. people who are mentally ill and confused. Just like how some people are truly neurodiverse and some people are just weird and self diagnosing.

Also for being less than half the general population, cis men sure commit a disproportionate amount of mass shootings (like 90% +). So if there is a demographic that is concerning it is men. They also commit the vast majority of sexual assaults, robberies, terrorist attacks, etc.

Agreed trans folks once they can get their hormones; live life normally etc don't have mental health issues. It's as if a Transman/Transwoman is hormone deficient and as soon as you provide that hormone they are fine.

Now mental illness takes many forms and people can use anything to handle their mental illness - a lot of people use church or culture to hide their mental problems.

The shooter is mentally ill. All shooters are mentally ill. But any kind of gun sanity is considered wrong.

We don't know about this shooter - but this wasn't an overnight mental illness. Who stopped them from getting a gun?

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Anonymous wrote:For trans people being so rare, they sure do commit a lot of school shootings.

Isn't it like 2, out of a total of about 1000 school shootings over the last 5 years?

I think it’s like .1% of mass shootings that are committed by trans people.

Also, I’m not 100% sure these “trans” shooters are really trans vs. mentally ill with gender dysphoria.

To be clear, I’m not saying being trans is a mental illness. But I do think there is a delineation between genuinely trans people just trying to live their lives to match their inside vs. people who are mentally ill and confused. Just like how some people are truly neurodiverse and some people are just weird and self diagnosing.

Also for being less than half the general population, cis men sure commit a disproportionate amount of mass shootings (like 90% +). So if there is a demographic that is concerning it is men. They also commit the vast majority of sexual assaults, robberies, terrorist attacks, etc.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:For trans people being so rare, they sure do commit a lot of school shootings.

Isn't it like 2, out of a total of about 1000 school shootings over the last 5 years?

I think it’s like .1% of mass shootings that are committed by trans people.

Also, I’m not 100% sure these “trans” shooters are really trans vs. mentally ill with gender dysphoria.

To be clear, I’m not saying being trans is a mental illness. But I do think there is a delineation between genuinely trans people just trying to live their lives to match their inside vs. people who are mentally ill and confused. Just like how some people are truly neurodiverse and some people are just weird and self diagnosing.

Also for being less than half the general population, cis men sure commit a disproportionate amount of mass shootings (like 90% +). So if there is a demographic that is concerning it is men. They also commit the vast majority of sexual assaults, robberies, terrorist attacks, etc.

The demographic is mental illness. So why is the left trying to enhance it and further it? This is really BASIC. It's frustrating dealing with the tone deaf.

Look at yourselves. You love "science". Well here it is:

Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By Michael Shellenberger and Peter Boghossian
Nov 11, 2021

https://boghossian.substack.com/p/woke-religion-a-taxonomy

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This particular deranged murderer made a lot of noise and managed to kill (I think) just two people. The very list of knife events you reject demonstrates how quickly the body count can rise with a committed knife attacker. Bladed weapons were responsible for industrial-strength slaughter for millennia.

Besides the two dead, there were 17 injured including 14 children. Many of these (especially among those classified as being in critical condition) will likely be crippled for life.

Also note that the murderer shot at the children through the Church windows. This is something that could not be done with a knife. Yes, a committed knife attacker can kill multiple people, but it is much, much easier done with a gun.

+1

Also BFR. If you were shopping at Target with your kids and a crazy violent person came into the store, would you rather they have an AR-15 or a knife? … there is only one sane answer here

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Anonymous wrote:For trans people being so rare, they sure do commit a lot of school shootings.

Isn't it like 2, out of a total of about 1000 school shootings over the last 5 years?

I think it’s like .1% of mass shootings that are committed by trans people.

Also, I’m not 100% sure these “trans” shooters are really trans vs. mentally ill with gender dysphoria.

To be clear, I’m not saying being trans is a mental illness. But I do think there is a delineation between genuinely trans people just trying to live their lives to match their inside vs. people who are mentally ill and confused. Just like how some people are truly neurodiverse and some people are just weird and self diagnosing.

Also for being less than half the general population, cis men sure commit a disproportionate amount of mass shootings (like 90% +). So if there is a demographic that is concerning it is men. They also commit the vast majority of sexual assaults, robberies, terrorist attacks, etc.

The demographic is mental illness. So why is the left trying to enhance it and further it? This is really BASIC. It's frustrating dealing with the tone deaf.

Look at yourselves. You love "science". Well here it is:

Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By Michael Shellenberger and Peter Boghossian
Nov 11, 2021

https://boghossian.substack.com/p/woke-religion-a-taxonomy

A self published substack? Science?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The gun for him is a TOOL.

His own mental illness is revealed in his writings. You have to deal with the mental illness.

Mental illness is a global issue. Every country has people with mental illness. But, other civilized countries don't have mass shooting problems like we do. They don't have easy access to guns like we do.

You have to deal with the easy access to guns AND mental illness.

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This particular deranged murderer made a lot of noise and managed to kill (I think) just two people. The very list of knife events you reject demonstrates how quickly the body count can rise with a committed knife attacker. Bladed weapons were responsible for industrial-strength slaughter for millennia.

Besides the two dead, there were 17 injured including 14 children. Many of these (especially among those classified as being in critical condition) will likely be crippled for life.

Also note that the murderer shot at the children through the Church windows. This is something that could not be done with a knife. Yes, a committed knife attacker can kill multiple people, but it is much, much easier done with a gun.

+1

Also BFR. If you were shopping at Target with your kids and a crazy violent person came into the store, would you rather they have an AR-15 or a knife? … there is only one sane answer here

An ER doctor wrote an oped about the damage that an AR15 does to the body compared to a single shot pistol. He stated that most victims of one shot gun shot wounds can be saved, but the damage to a victim from an AR15 was basically like a blender came through the insides of the person.

There is no reason for an AR15, that's for sure.

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This particular deranged murderer made a lot of noise and managed to kill (I think) just two people. The very list of knife events you reject demonstrates how quickly the body count can rise with a committed knife attacker. Bladed weapons were responsible for industrial-strength slaughter for millennia.

Besides the two dead, there were 17 injured including 14 children. Many of these (especially among those classified as being in critical condition) will likely be crippled for life.

Also note that the murderer shot at the children through the Church windows. This is something that could not be done with a knife. Yes, a committed knife attacker can kill multiple people, but it is much, much easier done with a gun.

+1

Also BFR. If you were shopping at Target with your kids and a crazy violent person came into the store, would you rather they have an AR-15 or a knife? … there is only one sane answer here

Well, the chances of them being spotted with a long gun and disarmed are way higher than with a knife or two. But that’s not the answer you’re fishing for.

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Anonymous wrote:Big Pharma is a big problem here not guns. Majority of these shooters are on SSRI’s or recently, puberty blockers. Nobody wants to call out the elephant in the room:
Big Pharma

It is insane to me how among the listed side effects for SSRIs - drugs given for severe depression - are suicidal thoughts and suicidal behavior! What are the point of these poisonous things???

It’s also dumb that teens can’t vape or smoke until 18 or drink till they’re 21 because alcohol is considered a mind altering drug yet they can take SSRI’s or completely change their gender with puberty blockers while underage.

Teens are already mentally not all the way there so imagine with medication

You can’t drink until 21 but you can buy a gun at 18.

Guns should require a safety class and test (like driving lessons) that come with a cost and parental and medical provider sign-off before anyone gets close to having the privilege to buy a gun.

This is the solution! A start. Banning firearms is the end goal, but this is what we do as soon as we have a real leader in the USA. Or even on state level in states with sensible lawmakers.

Why not just start with the end goal? Don’t you even care about all the people who will still die getting from your “start point” to the end goal? What about them? Don’t they matter? You’re willing to sacrifice them to incremental progress?

That’s F’d up.

Firearms cannot be banned. Not lawfully. Not practically. It is a reality-denying confabulation to insist on magical solutions while ignoring the root causes of psychopathy and criminal violence.

They actually can be banned but Republicans refuse to allow it.

“Banned” like illicit narcotics and all the other contraband in which the country is, and has long been, awash? There is a federal “ban” on marijuana. Illegitimate and unprescribed fentanyl is “banned” everywhere. We all know how that’s worked out.

Do you think we are idiots that don’t know other nations don’t have our gun violence issues?

“Gun violence” is a handy rhetorical buzzword for criminal misuse of firearms.

I didn’t call anybody any names. If somebody feels like they’re an idiot when the error of what purports to be their reasoning becomes evident, that feeling would be for them to examine.

Other nations, as has been repeatedly and exhaustively discussed in this and other threads, are not the same as the United States. There are places in the world where essentially every home has a fully automatic, machine gun, battle rifle, weapon of war, AK pattern rifle. They have plenty of internecine violence but nobody is shooting up schools.

It is delusional to believe that firearms can be magically “disappeared” from the United States, never to reappear. Continuing to posit that as a “solution” to unlawful criminal violence committed with firearms distracts from the real problem of criminal psychopaths and their psychopathic criminal misconduct.

In any event, the point of my post was that paper “bans” may briefly feel satisfying, but that there is a long way between what’s on paper and what’s actually happening in reality.

NP.

+1000

This post sums it up so well. So many societal problems far, far beyond shootings, could be addressed and helped if we took mental health as seriously as other countries do.

A good start is to bring back the in-patient mental hospitals to help the ones most in-need in our country. We never should have eliminated those facilities. Reform, yes, but not the wholesale closure which we implemented.

I agree with you we need to fix societal issues like better inpatient mental health treatment, but I disagree with the PP that gun reform means “paper bans.”

We need —

Gun buy backs. Offer financial incentives to get as many off the street as possible, no questions asked during a certain phase-in period.

Strict liability (e.g, someone else accesses your gun and shoots up a school or you leave it unattended so a toddler kills themself, this is some level of homicide). Make a big show of charging people as accessories to crimes so we can scare the crap out of people who aren’t keeping their guns secure. If you own a gun, you own the result of anyone harmed by it. If you are a responsible gun owner already taking precautions, you should have no problem with this. Only people who know they are careless will have anything to worry about. Exemptions for people who timely report stolen weapons.

Mandatory gun registration and requiring storage in a biometric safe when it’s not being carried on your person. This goes back to the strict liability above. Your gun is either on your person or in a safe. If you fail to do so, you accept civil and criminal liability for whatever happens with that gun. Intent for the result itself doesn’t matter (see felony murder rules in many states).

Failure to register a gun is a felony and make it easier for the government to confiscate guns from people who don’t have registration. This includes finding guns at traffic stops.

Mandatory insurance and tracking/limits regarding the amount of ammunition you can buy. If I can manage to show my ID to buy cold medicine, then people can show an ID to buy bullets, which kill people. Rates go up the more guns and ammo you buy.

Stricter enforcement of existing laws. No more “second chances” for people who commit gun crimes. A friend of mine was murdered by someone who had a prior gun charge that was pled down and had been let back out after just 2 years. I think if you commit a felony with a gun (robbery, assault, etc.) you get a mandatory minimum of 20 years.

Also, stop charging 16 and 17 year olds as juveniles. The vast majority of teens are not out shooting people so this isn’t simply dumb teenage behavior. At this point they’re old enough to understand their actions. They just don’t want the consequences.

Improvement in family courts and prosecution of domestic violence. Stop making parents hand their kids over for visits with nut jobs known to be violent.

Requirements for social media companies to use AI to flag manifestos and posts with guns. It’s absolutely infuriating that this Minn shooter uploaded looney tunes videos to YouTube and no one did a damn thing.

These are just off the top of my head. I’m sure as technology advances we can build on this.

Those are great solutions if you're talking about a law abiding population.

Most of those won't work once they get past straw buyers or the firearms are reported stolen. They would merely be additional charges layered on for a plea agreement.

[Anonymous]

Why wasn't someone at the church armed? Like a security guard?