FCPS Boundary Review - New Maps

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Anonymous wrote:And really, all of this is just tinkering around the edges and for what? There are no new large neighborhoods of family-friendly 3 bedroom TH new builds springing up all over West Springfield and Lorton. It’s pretty well built up there now, Lorton has more room, but is getting mostly big SFH so the population isn’t growing too much. I really feel like they need to just leave well enough alone and concentrate on the KAA boundaries and the schools that need relief now.


There is a huge new apartment building opening soon at the Springfield Mall, walkable to Lewis though.


I doubt it will get many HS students but yes, there is more development slated for that area and in Alexandria zoned for Edison right down the road. I do think the excess capacity at Lewis will be useful sooner rather than later.


What does this mean?


There is development slated for the area, and it’s the type of development that attracts families. Pretty straightforward. They’ll have to go to school somewhere and boundaries between Edison and Lewis will need to be adjusted because of crowding at Edison.


They can deal with that later if the enrollment growth actually materializes. Also, part of Edison may get moved back to Annandale to eliminate the split feeder at Holmes.

The motivation for invoking the possibility of growth at Edison to keep Lewis under-enrolled indefinitely is fairly transparent.


The police station and government center is about to move out of its current spot off Franconia Rd. And over to the new building off Beulah by the Chili’s. As soon as the move is done, the old government center is getting razed and turned into townhomes. There’s also townhomes slated for the old Ruby Tuesday and Top Golf in Kingstowne. Borders will have to be adjusted sooner rather than later.

And if the local economy tanks and those things end up sitting vacant for awhile vs. being redeveloped right away, chances are West Springfield will lose enrollment too with federal job cuts, and there won’t be a need to move more students out.

Also, I know some of you are looking for big bumps to your Springfield property values by hoping that half of West Springfield comes to Lewis, but all of the maps shown so far have all of the proposed movement out of WS to LB and SC.


There’s also a new development off of Van Dorn in the residential area that was just in the Fairfax Now website today cause neighbors are complaining about it. SFHs near some townhomes. Those kids would go to Lewis.
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Anonymous wrote:And really, all of this is just tinkering around the edges and for what? There are no new large neighborhoods of family-friendly 3 bedroom TH new builds springing up all over West Springfield and Lorton. It’s pretty well built up there now, Lorton has more room, but is getting mostly big SFH so the population isn’t growing too much. I really feel like they need to just leave well enough alone and concentrate on the KAA boundaries and the schools that need relief now.


There is a huge new apartment building opening soon at the Springfield Mall, walkable to Lewis though.


I doubt it will get many HS students but yes, there is more development slated for that area and in Alexandria zoned for Edison right down the road. I do think the excess capacity at Lewis will be useful sooner rather than later.


What does this mean?


There is development slated for the area, and it’s the type of development that attracts families. Pretty straightforward. They’ll have to go to school somewhere and boundaries between Edison and Lewis will need to be adjusted because of crowding at Edison.


They can deal with that later if the enrollment growth actually materializes. Also, part of Edison may get moved back to Annandale to eliminate the split feeder at Holmes.

The motivation for invoking the possibility of growth at Edison to keep Lewis under-enrolled indefinitely is fairly transparent.


The police station and government center is about to move out of its current spot off Franconia Rd. And over to the new building off Beulah by the Chili’s. As soon as the move is done, the old government center is getting razed and turned into townhomes. There’s also townhomes slated for the old Ruby Tuesday and Top Golf in Kingstowne. Borders will have to be adjusted sooner rather than later.

And if the local economy tanks and those things end up sitting vacant for awhile vs. being redeveloped right away, chances are West Springfield will lose enrollment too with federal job cuts, and there won’t be a need to move more students out.

Also, I know some of you are looking for big bumps to your Springfield property values by hoping that half of West Springfield comes to Lewis, but all of the maps shown so far have all of the proposed movement out of WS to LB and SC.


There’s also a new development off of Van Dorn in the residential area that was just in the Fairfax Now website today cause neighbors are complaining about it. SFHs near some townhomes. Those kids would go to Lewis.


That is an Edison zoned area, not Lewis. None of the planned Lewis developments will add significant numbers to the pyramid schools. Some students yes, but not significant numbers.
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Anonymous wrote:And really, all of this is just tinkering around the edges and for what? There are no new large neighborhoods of family-friendly 3 bedroom TH new builds springing up all over West Springfield and Lorton. It’s pretty well built up there now, Lorton has more room, but is getting mostly big SFH so the population isn’t growing too much. I really feel like they need to just leave well enough alone and concentrate on the KAA boundaries and the schools that need relief now.


There is a huge new apartment building opening soon at the Springfield Mall, walkable to Lewis though.


I doubt it will get many HS students but yes, there is more development slated for that area and in Alexandria zoned for Edison right down the road. I do think the excess capacity at Lewis will be useful sooner rather than later.


What does this mean?


There is development slated for the area, and it’s the type of development that attracts families. Pretty straightforward. They’ll have to go to school somewhere and boundaries between Edison and Lewis will need to be adjusted because of crowding at Edison.


They can deal with that later if the enrollment growth actually materializes. Also, part of Edison may get moved back to Annandale to eliminate the split feeder at Holmes.

The motivation for invoking the possibility of growth at Edison to keep Lewis under-enrolled indefinitely is fairly transparent.


The police station and government center is about to move out of its current spot off Franconia Rd. And over to the new building off Beulah by the Chili’s. As soon as the move is done, the old government center is getting razed and turned into townhomes. There’s also townhomes slated for the old Ruby Tuesday and Top Golf in Kingstowne. Borders will have to be adjusted sooner rather than later.

And if the local economy tanks and those things end up sitting vacant for awhile vs. being redeveloped right away, chances are West Springfield will lose enrollment too with federal job cuts, and there won’t be a need to move more students out.

Also, I know some of you are looking for big bumps to your Springfield property values by hoping that half of West Springfield comes to Lewis, but all of the maps shown so far have all of the proposed movement out of WS to LB and SC.


There’s also a new development off of Van Dorn in the residential area that was just in the Fairfax Now website today cause neighbors are complaining about it. SFHs near some townhomes. Those kids would go to Lewis.


That is an Edison zoned area, not Lewis. None of the planned Lewis developments will add significant numbers to the pyramid schools. Some students yes, but not significant numbers.


Yes but Edison can hardly add several new neighborhoods of students at this point due to the fact that it is landlocked on a busy corner. Lewis and Edison are so physically close to each other that it would be trivial to adjust their boundaries and no one would end up being bussed significantly farther away.
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Anonymous wrote:And really, all of this is just tinkering around the edges and for what? There are no new large neighborhoods of family-friendly 3 bedroom TH new builds springing up all over West Springfield and Lorton. It’s pretty well built up there now, Lorton has more room, but is getting mostly big SFH so the population isn’t growing too much. I really feel like they need to just leave well enough alone and concentrate on the KAA boundaries and the schools that need relief now.


There is a huge new apartment building opening soon at the Springfield Mall, walkable to Lewis though.


I doubt it will get many HS students but yes, there is more development slated for that area and in Alexandria zoned for Edison right down the road. I do think the excess capacity at Lewis will be useful sooner rather than later.


What does this mean?


There is development slated for the area, and it’s the type of development that attracts families. Pretty straightforward. They’ll have to go to school somewhere and boundaries between Edison and Lewis will need to be adjusted because of crowding at Edison.


They can deal with that later if the enrollment growth actually materializes. Also, part of Edison may get moved back to Annandale to eliminate the split feeder at Holmes.

The motivation for invoking the possibility of growth at Edison to keep Lewis under-enrolled indefinitely is fairly transparent.


The police station and government center is about to move out of its current spot off Franconia Rd. And over to the new building off Beulah by the Chili’s. As soon as the move is done, the old government center is getting razed and turned into townhomes. There’s also townhomes slated for the old Ruby Tuesday and Top Golf in Kingstowne. Borders will have to be adjusted sooner rather than later.

And if the local economy tanks and those things end up sitting vacant for awhile vs. being redeveloped right away, chances are West Springfield will lose enrollment too with federal job cuts, and there won’t be a need to move more students out.

Also, I know some of you are looking for big bumps to your Springfield property values by hoping that half of West Springfield comes to Lewis, but all of the maps shown so far have all of the proposed movement out of WS to LB and SC.


There’s also a new development off of Van Dorn in the residential area that was just in the Fairfax Now website today cause neighbors are complaining about it. SFHs near some townhomes. Those kids would go to Lewis.


That is an Edison zoned area, not Lewis. None of the planned Lewis developments will add significant numbers to the pyramid schools. Some students yes, but not significant numbers.


Yes but Edison can hardly add several new neighborhoods of students at this point due to the fact that it is landlocked on a busy corner. Lewis and Edison are so physically close to each other that it would be trivial to adjust their boundaries and no one would end up being bussed significantly farther away.


Sure it can, especially if Bren Mar Park ES moves back from Edison to Annandale.
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Anonymous wrote:Do we have to wait until the end of September to know how many kids are enrolled in each school?


Yes.
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Anonymous wrote:According to the WS moms group on Facebook, the school is so overcrowded that teachers are quitting, some teachers are having to teach 4 classes at the same time and the halls are impassable. They can't wait for a boundary review. They need relief NOW. Can they just kick kids out of school to provide some relief? Send them away to LBSS or South County or Lewis?


That is just a small handful of people posting hyperbole.


I think you are underestimating how many people (privately) support the review.


DP. In the face of all available evidence, at every single turn, the community has told the school board to stop the boundary review, and that no one wants their kids moved. These “silent” supporters of yours must live with unicorns, Santa, and the tooth fairy, because I’ve never met a supporter irl, and I’ve only heard from a handful of vocal supporters on this site.


Agree.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the WSHS pyramid and it basically boils down to A. those (who are safe from being moved) who want others to be moved and B. those (at risk of being moved) who don't want to go.

You don't see anyone in favor of boundary review volunteering to pupil place their kids out of WSHS for the common good.

I'm in the HVES neighborhood (with kids at WSHS currently) and personally am not philosophically opposed to a boundary review but feel this is a bandaid and doesn't truly address underlying enrollment issues.



It will be interesting what the real maps look like.

If FCPS wants to rezone part of WSHS to Lewis, the neighborhoods that make the most sense are either Daventry (from West Springfield Elementary) or on the other side of Keene Mill Road, the neighborhoods from the Greeley stoplight to Tiverton near St. Bernadette Church (from Keene Mill Elementary) Both of those neighborhoods are the closest West Springfield High School neighborhoods to Lewis. Either one would make perfect sense to get rezoned to Lewis, if FCPS is trying to fill Lewis.

In the other direction, Gambrill Rd outside the Parkway (from Hunt Valley) is the closest to South County and the farthest from Lewis. If FCPS is trying to add to South County, the current Thru maps make sense to send some of the Gambril neighborhoods to SoCo. Sending that neighborhood to Lewis would be foolish.

The third option is the least disruptive and makes the most sense for WSHS. That option is sending all of Sangster to Lake Braddock, which is one of Thru's suggestions

Right now, there are supposedly several hundred houses, that split from the rest of Sangster and go to Irving, which is farther than Lake Braddock Middle School, and WSHS, which is about the same distance as Lake Braddock.

Keeping all of Sangster together and sending the entire school to Lake Braddock makes far more sense than rezoning any of the other WSHS neighborhoods.
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Anonymous wrote:According to the WS moms group on Facebook, the school is so overcrowded that teachers are quitting, some teachers are having to teach 4 classes at the same time and the halls are impassable. They can't wait for a boundary review. They need relief NOW. Can they just kick kids out of school to provide some relief? Send them away to LBSS or South County or Lewis?


That is just a small handful of people posting hyperbole.


I think you are underestimating how many people (privately) support the review.


DP. In the face of all available evidence, at every single turn, the community has told the school board to stop the boundary review, and that no one wants their kids moved. These “silent” supporters of yours must live with unicorns, Santa, and the tooth fairy, because I’ve never met a supporter irl, and I’ve only heard from a handful of vocal supporters on this site.

The same people who claim that the school board are idiots and the boundary review is unnecessary are basically making the claim that past school boards must have been geniuses to predict exactly where to put capacity so that nothing needs changing today. Obviously some schools are overcrowded, others have a trailer park outside to hide their overcrowding on paper while the common areas (hallways, cafeteria, gym, theater/music, extra curriculars, etc) are well over capacity.
There are plenty of people in favor of FCPS redrawing the boundaries for a more efficient use of the operating budget, especially among those without kids in school. Stop wasting money on temporary trailers and bussing kids halfway across the county. It's about time.
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Anonymous wrote:According to the WS moms group on Facebook, the school is so overcrowded that teachers are quitting, some teachers are having to teach 4 classes at the same time and the halls are impassable. They can't wait for a boundary review. They need relief NOW. Can they just kick kids out of school to provide some relief? Send them away to LBSS or South County or Lewis?


That is just a small handful of people posting hyperbole.


I think you are underestimating how many people (privately) support the review.


DP. In the face of all available evidence, at every single turn, the community has told the school board to stop the boundary review, and that no one wants their kids moved. These “silent” supporters of yours must live with unicorns, Santa, and the tooth fairy, because I’ve never met a supporter irl, and I’ve only heard from a handful of vocal supporters on this site.

The same people who claim that the school board are idiots and the boundary review is unnecessary are basically making the claim that past school boards must have been geniuses to predict exactly where to put capacity so that nothing needs changing today. Obviously some schools are overcrowded, others have a trailer park outside to hide their overcrowding on paper while the common areas (hallways, cafeteria, gym, theater/music, extra curriculars, etc) are well over capacity.
There are plenty of people in favor of FCPS redrawing the boundaries for a more efficient use of the operating budget, especially among those without kids in school. Stop wasting money on temporary trailers and bussing kids halfway across the county. It's about time.


Big logic fail.

Those opposed to boundary changes aren’t claiming past school boards were geniuses, so much as that boundary changes shouldn’t be imposed unless truly necessary, and certainly not to cover up bad decisions by prior school boards.

And modulars and trailers, once installed, don’t impose huge recurring costs, and the sniping about kids being bused “halfway across the county” is an obvious attack on a single pyramid that you clearly hate but which has expansive boundaries for good reason.

You can look at all the feedback that FCPS has received to date on the Thru proposals, and the opposition far outweighs the support. It’s not even close.
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Until FCPS does a full residency check of our FCPS high school slated for rezoning using the previous month's utility bill, transfer out the kids whose parents are lying about their addresses, then moves out the dozens of approved transfers attending our school that is officially closed to transfers, I will work against rezoning. Do those 2 things, and if they don't find at least 20-30 kids who live in houses zoned for other high schools, along with returning the dozens of pupil placed students back to their own schools or to schools with capacity, I will suck it up and move my kids to their new middle and high school.

It is unfair and wrong for FCPS to rezone a single student who lives in boundary for a school, as long as they are allowing dozens of students to pupil place into that overcapacity school that has been officially closed to transfers for years.

It's also wrong for FCPS to refuse so do a residency check of overcrowded schools where it is an open secret that there are dozens of kids attending that school who live in adjacent high school zones, and did not follow proper channels when they enrolled in the school, or in many cases, moved to other pyramids in middle or elementary school, but never changed their addresses with the school so they can just continue to attend our school.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the WSHS pyramid and it basically boils down to A. those (who are safe from being moved) who want others to be moved and B. those (at risk of being moved) who don't want to go.

You don't see anyone in favor of boundary review volunteering to pupil place their kids out of WSHS for the common good.

I'm in the HVES neighborhood (with kids at WSHS currently) and personally am not philosophically opposed to a boundary review but feel this is a bandaid and doesn't truly address underlying enrollment issues.



It will be interesting what the real maps look like.

If FCPS wants to rezone part of WSHS to Lewis, the neighborhoods that make the most sense are either Daventry (from West Springfield Elementary) or on the other side of Keene Mill Road, the neighborhoods from the Greeley stoplight to Tiverton near St. Bernadette Church (from Keene Mill Elementary) Both of those neighborhoods are the closest West Springfield High School neighborhoods to Lewis. Either one would make perfect sense to get rezoned to Lewis, if FCPS is trying to fill Lewis.

In the other direction, Gambrill Rd outside the Parkway (from Hunt Valley) is the closest to South County and the farthest from Lewis. If FCPS is trying to add to South County, the current Thru maps make sense to send some of the Gambril neighborhoods to SoCo. Sending that neighborhood to Lewis would be foolish.

The third option is the least disruptive and makes the most sense for WSHS. That option is sending all of Sangster to Lake Braddock, which is one of Thru's suggestions

Right now, there are supposedly several hundred houses, that split from the rest of Sangster and go to Irving, which is farther than Lake Braddock Middle School, and WSHS, which is about the same distance as Lake Braddock.

Keeping all of Sangster together and sending the entire school to Lake Braddock makes far more sense than rezoning any of the other WSHS neighborhoods.


Since your first point is the one I’m most familiar with, no it doesn’t make sense to move Keene Mill or Daventry kids out of WSHS because it will create more split feeders either at the elementary or middle school level. Also many of those kids walk to middle or high school.

And since that was so off, I’m guessing the rest of your post is nonsense tool.
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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we are not as vocal or have as much time to post as you seem to do, but we do exist and are ready to see some change.

And no I’m not going to explain exactly what that change is.


You’re very vocal, don’t lie.

We know you want equity by bringing the system down to the lowest level. You don’t need to explain it to us!


Haven’t posted in months. Me being a lurker is the only thing you’ve got right about me.

I think it’s ridiculous that all the title 1
ES schools in the area feed into the same high school.
I also think it unfair that children attending schools just a few miles from each other have such vastly differences experiences. If that makes me an equity warrior, so be it.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the WSHS pyramid and it basically boils down to A. those (who are safe from being moved) who want others to be moved and B. those (at risk of being moved) who don't want to go.

You don't see anyone in favor of boundary review volunteering to pupil place their kids out of WSHS for the common good.

I'm in the HVES neighborhood (with kids at WSHS currently) and personally am not philosophically opposed to a boundary review but feel this is a bandaid and doesn't truly address underlying enrollment issues.



It will be interesting what the real maps look like.

If FCPS wants to rezone part of WSHS to Lewis, the neighborhoods that make the most sense are either Daventry (from West Springfield Elementary) or on the other side of Keene Mill Road, the neighborhoods from the Greeley stoplight to Tiverton near St. Bernadette Church (from Keene Mill Elementary) Both of those neighborhoods are the closest West Springfield High School neighborhoods to Lewis. Either one would make perfect sense to get rezoned to Lewis, if FCPS is trying to fill Lewis.

In the other direction, Gambrill Rd outside the Parkway (from Hunt Valley) is the closest to South County and the farthest from Lewis. If FCPS is trying to add to South County, the current Thru maps make sense to send some of the Gambril neighborhoods to SoCo. Sending that neighborhood to Lewis would be foolish.

The third option is the least disruptive and makes the most sense for WSHS. That option is sending all of Sangster to Lake Braddock, which is one of Thru's suggestions

Right now, there are supposedly several hundred houses, that split from the rest of Sangster and go to Irving, which is farther than Lake Braddock Middle School, and WSHS, which is about the same distance as Lake Braddock.

Keeping all of Sangster together and sending the entire school to Lake Braddock makes far more sense than rezoning any of the other WSHS neighborhoods.


Since your first point is the one I’m most familiar with, no it doesn’t make sense to move Keene Mill or Daventry kids out of WSHS because it will create more split feeders either at the elementary or middle school level. Also many of those kids walk to middle or high school.

And since that was so off, I’m guessing the rest of your post is nonsense tool.


Thru is creating lots of splot feeders, including within the WSHS pyramid.

Daventry is the most recent neighborhood to get rezoned from Lewis (then Lee) to WSHS. According to the Springfield school board rep, Daventry is the reason why WSHS is overcrowded. Daventry should be the first school rezoned back out, since Thru is alrrady creating multiple split feeders on their maps.

Daventry, and the homes zoned for Keene Mill Elementary, from Greeley to Tiverton ard closer to Lewis than WSHS.

If any WSHS neighborhoods are to get rezoned to Lewis, it should be those neighborhoods due to proximity to Lewis and especially Daventry having the most recent connection to Lewis.
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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we are not as vocal or have as much time to post as you seem to do, but we do exist and are ready to see some change.

And no I’m not going to explain exactly what that change is.


You’re very vocal, don’t lie.

We know you want equity by bringing the system down to the lowest level. You don’t need to explain it to us!


Haven’t posted in months. Me being a lurker is the only thing you’ve got right about me.

I think it’s ridiculous that all the title 1
ES schools in the area feed into the same high school.
I also think it unfair that children attending schools just a few miles from each other have such vastly differences experiences. If that makes me an equity warrior, so be it.


It makes you misguided. That creates a death spiral that ends with just a bunch of mediocre schools that MC and UMC families flee. You should Be careful what you wish for. Because the cure is way worse than whatever you are trying to fix. I’m a Harris voter, so you should understand your position is unpopular even in our party (which is why the school board members hid their boundary change agenda when they ran two years ago).

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we are not as vocal or have as much time to post as you seem to do, but we do exist and are ready to see some change.

And no I’m not going to explain exactly what that change is.


You’re very vocal, don’t lie.

We know you want equity by bringing the system down to the lowest level. You don’t need to explain it to us!


Haven’t posted in months. Me being a lurker is the only thing you’ve got right about me.

I think it’s ridiculous that all the title 1
ES schools in the area feed into the same high school.
I also think it unfair that children attending schools just a few miles from each other have such vastly differences experiences. If that makes me an equity warrior, so be it.


All shifting the boundaries will do is increase test scores by shifting who is taking the test. The average will increase but that will hide the fact that the poor kids are still scoring low.

Fixing the issue of low scores for low SES families and URM requires the families care about education and that tends not to be the case. You have kids being raised by drop outs or parents who didn’t attend school who were raised by drop outs and parents who didn’t attend school. Eight hours of school, five days a week rarely overcomes the home environment.
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