Insurrection Hearings 6/9-6/23

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Anonymous wrote:This testimony from the electoral workers is appalling. Unacceptable that they should be threatened in that way. Can you imagine having the fbi show up at your door and saying you had to leave??

Shaye's adoration for her mom and grandmother is the best part of this whole hearing. I love how much she loves, admires, and looks up to them.

Just infurating that Trump + Giuliani personally ruined these poor black women's lives. Makes me ill to know that white people still act like this, and I am white.

I can’t believe more people aren’t upset about this! Donald Trump should truly be ashamed, his whole family should be ashamed. This is just disgusting 🤮 on so many levels.

The problem is that they won't ever know about it, because they are not watching the hearings. They're watching Fox news.

Most of the country is not watching this. Same as all the other “investigations”. Dems are just hoping the political environment allows them to not apply due process and instead jsut lie and gaslight and exaggerate their way to their desired outcome. Worked for J Depp too. Just keep throwing muck around.

It astounds me that people actually, truly, sincerely believe this drivel to be true.

Well these same people listen to trump, trucker and hannity and worship them.

I think they are losing interest in Trump. DeSantis is their shiny new thing.

[Anonymous]

Well-argued commentary piece in today's Times (UK, not NY) by Daniel Finkelstein:

In it he says:

"The central advantage of democracy is that it allows for the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another. Undermine that and the whole basis of law-making by consent is undermined. If the justice department concludes that Trump broke the law to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power then almost any political risk is worth taking to assert the primacy of the law....

...The re-election of Trump would be a calamity. But it would be a far greater calamity if it occurred after he had learnt that the law doesn't apply to him. If he concluded that his political support, the extent of its delusion and its violent intensity insured him against prosecution then his obvious move would be to deepen the delusion and increase the violent intensity....

....The law is the law. The strategy of populists is to cross the line and then keep going until the rest of us forget where the line was and lose the will to insist upon its location. This strategy cannot anywhere be allowed to be victorious."

Thoughts???

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Anonymous wrote:Well-argued commentary piece in today's Times (UK, not NY) by Daniel Finkelstein:

In it he says:

"The central advantage of democracy is that it allows for the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another. Undermine that and the whole basis of law-making by consent is undermined. If the justice department concludes that Trump broke the law to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power then almost any political risk is worth taking to assert the primacy of the law....

...The re-election of Trump would be a calamity. But it would be a far greater calamity if it occurred after he had learnt that the law doesn't apply to him. If he concluded that his political support, the extent of its delusion and its violent intensity insured him against prosecution then his obvious move would be to deepen the delusion and increase the violent intensity....

....The law is the law. The strategy of populists is to cross the line and then keep going until the rest of us forget where the line was and lose the will to insist upon its location. This strategy cannot anywhere be allowed to be victorious."

Thoughts???

Yes. All seem to be very obvious points.

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Anonymous wrote:Well-argued commentary piece in today's Times (UK, not NY) by Daniel Finkelstein:

In it he says:

"The central advantage of democracy is that it allows for the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another. Undermine that and the whole basis of law-making by consent is undermined. If the justice department concludes that Trump broke the law to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power then almost any political risk is worth taking to assert the primacy of the law....

...The re-election of Trump would be a calamity. But it would be a far greater calamity if it occurred after he had learnt that the law doesn't apply to him. If he concluded that his political support, the extent of its delusion and its violent intensity insured him against prosecution then his obvious move would be to deepen the delusion and increase the violent intensity....

....The law is the law. The strategy of populists is to cross the line and then keep going until the rest of us forget where the line was and lose the will to insist upon its location. This strategy cannot anywhere be allowed to be victorious."

Thoughts???

Yes. Most people came to this conclusion a long time ago. The thing is it is not just trump. It is the Republican Party. If the republicans party wins the country is done. If they win the house and or the senate they will investigate everyone who has participated in these hearing, demanding prison for most and cutting funding to DOJ. This is what they are openly saying. So do not be surprised when it happens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This testimony from the electoral workers is appalling. Unacceptable that they should be threatened in that way. Can you imagine having the fbi show up at your door and saying you had to leave??

Shaye's adoration for her mom and grandmother is the best part of this whole hearing. I love how much she loves, admires, and looks up to them.

It’s heartbreaking to hear she blames herself. MAGA supporters you should hang your heads in shame.

Yes. It would be decent if at least one MAGA supporter could admit just how awful a thing Trump did to them.

Not a single Trump supporter can step forward to comment on what happened to these ladies? Because deep down you know your leader did a shameful thing to them.

Can they sue Trump for defamation? He ruined their lives? He mentioned their names and said terrible false things.

Apparently they have a lawsuit against Giuliani. I hope it bankrupts him.

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Anonymous wrote:Well-argued commentary piece in today's Times (UK, not NY) by Daniel Finkelstein:

In it he says:

"The central advantage of democracy is that it allows for the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another. Undermine that and the whole basis of law-making by consent is undermined. If the justice department concludes that Trump broke the law to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power then almost any political risk is worth taking to assert the primacy of the law....

...The re-election of Trump would be a calamity. But it would be a far greater calamity if it occurred after he had learnt that the law doesn't apply to him. If he concluded that his political support, the extent of its delusion and its violent intensity insured him against prosecution then his obvious move would be to deepen the delusion and increase the violent intensity....

....The law is the law. The strategy of populists is to cross the line and then keep going until the rest of us forget where the line was and lose the will to insist upon its location. This strategy cannot anywhere be allowed to be victorious."

Thoughts???

Yes. Most people came to this conclusion a long time ago. The thing is it is not just trump. It is the Republican Party. If the republicans party wins the country is done. If they win the house and or the senate they will investigate everyone who has participated in these hearing, demanding prison for most and cutting funding to DOJ. This is what they are openly saying. So do not be surprised when it happens.

Dp- then it’s even more important to prosecute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well-argued commentary piece in today's Times (UK, not NY) by Daniel Finkelstein:

In it he says:

"The central advantage of democracy is that it allows for the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another. Undermine that and the whole basis of law-making by consent is undermined. If the justice department concludes that Trump broke the law to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power then almost any political risk is worth taking to assert the primacy of the law....

...The re-election of Trump would be a calamity. But it would be a far greater calamity if it occurred after he had learnt that the law doesn't apply to him. If he concluded that his political support, the extent of its delusion and its violent intensity insured him against prosecution then his obvious move would be to deepen the delusion and increase the violent intensity....

....The law is the law. The strategy of populists is to cross the line and then keep going until the rest of us forget where the line was and lose the will to insist upon its location. This strategy cannot anywhere be allowed to be victorious."

Thoughts???

Yes. Most people came to this conclusion a long time ago. The thing is it is not just trump. It is the Republican Party. If the republicans party wins the country is done. If they win the house and or the senate they will investigate everyone who has participated in these hearing, demanding prison for most and cutting funding to DOJ. This is what they are openly saying. So do not be surprised when it happens.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Well-argued commentary piece in today's Times (UK, not NY) by Daniel Finkelstein:

In it he says:

"The central advantage of democracy is that it allows for the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another. Undermine that and the whole basis of law-making by consent is undermined. If the justice department concludes that Trump broke the law to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power then almost any political risk is worth taking to assert the primacy of the law....

...The re-election of Trump would be a calamity. But it would be a far greater calamity if it occurred after he had learnt that the law doesn't apply to him. If he concluded that his political support, the extent of its delusion and its violent intensity insured him against prosecution then his obvious move would be to deepen the delusion and increase the violent intensity....

....The law is the law. The strategy of populists is to cross the line and then keep going until the rest of us forget where the line was and lose the will to insist upon its location. This strategy cannot anywhere be allowed to be victorious."

Thoughts???

Yes. Most people came to this conclusion a long time ago. The thing is it is not just trump. It is the Republican Party. If the republicans party wins the country is done. If they win the house and or the senate they will investigate everyone who has participated in these hearing, demanding prison for most and cutting funding to DOJ. This is what they are openly saying. So do not be surprised when it happens.

Dp- then it’s even more important to prosecute.

Time is running out. If they lose the house the new house will impeach Biden and Garland.

[Anonymous]

Trump going down is important, but it’s almost more crucial that all the enablers get crushed.
An example has to be made.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well-argued commentary piece in today's Times (UK, not NY) by Daniel Finkelstein:

In it he says:

"The central advantage of democracy is that it allows for the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another. Undermine that and the whole basis of law-making by consent is undermined. If the justice department concludes that Trump broke the law to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power then almost any political risk is worth taking to assert the primacy of the law....

...The re-election of Trump would be a calamity. But it would be a far greater calamity if it occurred after he had learnt that the law doesn't apply to him. If he concluded that his political support, the extent of its delusion and its violent intensity insured him against prosecution then his obvious move would be to deepen the delusion and increase the violent intensity....

....The law is the law. The strategy of populists is to cross the line and then keep going until the rest of us forget where the line was and lose the will to insist upon its location. This strategy cannot anywhere be allowed to be victorious."

Thoughts???

Yes. Most people came to this conclusion a long time ago. The thing is it is not just trump. It is the Republican Party. If the republicans party wins the country is done. If they win the house and or the senate they will investigate everyone who has participated in these hearing, demanding prison for most and cutting funding to DOJ. This is what they are openly saying. So do not be surprised when it happens.

Dp- then it’s even more important to prosecute.

Time is running out. If they lose the house the new house will impeach Biden and Garland.

Impeach away. They won’t have 60 senators.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This testimony from the electoral workers is appalling. Unacceptable that they should be threatened in that way. Can you imagine having the fbi show up at your door and saying you had to leave??

Shaye's adoration for her mom and grandmother is the best part of this whole hearing. I love how much she loves, admires, and looks up to them.

It’s heartbreaking to hear she blames herself. MAGA supporters you should hang your heads in shame.

Yes. It would be decent if at least one MAGA supporter could admit just how awful a thing Trump did to them.

Not a single Trump supporter can step forward to comment on what happened to these ladies? Because deep down you know your leader did a shameful thing to them.

Can they sue Trump for defamation? He ruined their lives? He mentioned their names and said terrible false things.

Apparently they have a lawsuit against Giuliani. I hope it bankrupts him.

+1 and OANN paid them a settlement already.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/two-georgia-poll-workers-sue-one-america-news-giuliani-over-debunked-fraud-2021-12-24/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well-argued commentary piece in today's Times (UK, not NY) by Daniel Finkelstein:

In it he says:

"The central advantage of democracy is that it allows for the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another. Undermine that and the whole basis of law-making by consent is undermined. If the justice department concludes that Trump broke the law to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power then almost any political risk is worth taking to assert the primacy of the law....

...The re-election of Trump would be a calamity. But it would be a far greater calamity if it occurred after he had learnt that the law doesn't apply to him. If he concluded that his political support, the extent of its delusion and its violent intensity insured him against prosecution then his obvious move would be to deepen the delusion and increase the violent intensity....

....The law is the law. The strategy of populists is to cross the line and then keep going until the rest of us forget where the line was and lose the will to insist upon its location. This strategy cannot anywhere be allowed to be victorious."

Thoughts???

Yes. Most people came to this conclusion a long time ago. The thing is it is not just trump. It is the Republican Party. If the republicans party wins the country is done. If they win the house and or the senate they will investigate everyone who has participated in these hearing, demanding prison for most and cutting funding to DOJ. This is what they are openly saying. So do not be surprised when it happens.

Dp- then it’s even more important to prosecute.

Time is running out. If they lose the house the new house will impeach Biden and Garland.

Impeach away. They won’t have 60 senators.

Maybe not but 1) have you seen the extents to which they’re still cheating and rigging the vote in their favor and 2) I don’t think they care about legality any more.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well-argued commentary piece in today's Times (UK, not NY) by Daniel Finkelstein:

In it he says:

"The central advantage of democracy is that it allows for the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another. Undermine that and the whole basis of law-making by consent is undermined. If the justice department concludes that Trump broke the law to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power then almost any political risk is worth taking to assert the primacy of the law....

...The re-election of Trump would be a calamity. But it would be a far greater calamity if it occurred after he had learnt that the law doesn't apply to him. If he concluded that his political support, the extent of its delusion and its violent intensity insured him against prosecution then his obvious move would be to deepen the delusion and increase the violent intensity....

....The law is the law. The strategy of populists is to cross the line and then keep going until the rest of us forget where the line was and lose the will to insist upon its location. This strategy cannot anywhere be allowed to be victorious."

Thoughts???

Yes. Most people came to this conclusion a long time ago. The thing is it is not just trump. It is the Republican Party. If the republicans party wins the country is done. If they win the house and or the senate they will investigate everyone who has participated in these hearing, demanding prison for most and cutting funding to DOJ. This is what they are openly saying. So do not be surprised when it happens.

Dp- then it’s even more important to prosecute.

Time is running out. If they lose the house the new house will impeach Biden and Garland.

Impeach away. They won’t have 60 senators.

You do not need 60 votes in the senate to impeach. You just need the house to impeach. The senate does the trial. The bigger point is any impeachment will take 6 months and fully occupy whoever is impeached- the Garland or Biden. Garland and Biden will lose more time. It will also give the insurrectionist political cover.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well-argued commentary piece in today's Times (UK, not NY) by Daniel Finkelstein:

In it he says:

"The central advantage of democracy is that it allows for the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another. Undermine that and the whole basis of law-making by consent is undermined. If the justice department concludes that Trump broke the law to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power then almost any political risk is worth taking to assert the primacy of the law....

...The re-election of Trump would be a calamity. But it would be a far greater calamity if it occurred after he had learnt that the law doesn't apply to him. If he concluded that his political support, the extent of its delusion and its violent intensity insured him against prosecution then his obvious move would be to deepen the delusion and increase the violent intensity....

....The law is the law. The strategy of populists is to cross the line and then keep going until the rest of us forget where the line was and lose the will to insist upon its location. This strategy cannot anywhere be allowed to be victorious."

Thoughts???

Yes. Most people came to this conclusion a long time ago. The thing is it is not just trump. It is the Republican Party. If the republicans party wins the country is done. If they win the house and or the senate they will investigate everyone who has participated in these hearing, demanding prison for most and cutting funding to DOJ. This is what they are openly saying. So do not be surprised when it happens.

Dp- then it’s even more important to prosecute.

Time is running out. If they lose the house the new house will impeach Biden and Garland.

Impeach away. They won’t have 60 senators.

You do not need 60 votes in the senate to impeach. You just need the house to impeach. The senate does the trial. The bigger point is any impeachment will take 6 months and fully occupy whoever is impeached- the Garland or Biden. Garland and Biden will lose more time. It will also give the insurrectionist political cover.

Fine but my point is that there will be no conviction. And the TFG proves that impeachment is just word. It’s meaningless.
But I take your points about distraction and cover.