ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:The jump from u17 to U19 solves all of the grade talk play your age group/ skill level the entire way having no u18 specific group already solved all these grade questions business as usual

It depends on how you look at things.

Most college coaches identify the players they want to give offers to Sophmore year. This way they can provide an offer Junior year when they can speak with players. (NCAA rule)

What the play downers / GY showcase people want to do is have their Junior or Senior play in Sophomore showcases so their kid is in the group most closely looked at by college coaches. Leagues already know this is what they want which is why they don't allow playing down Sophmore year but dont care Junior or Senior year hence the u18/19 grouping.

Would you stop making stuff up already?

This is 100% correct and not made up.

BS. There aren’t freshmen, sophomore, Junior, or senior showcases. Showcases are age based with a limit on how old a player can be, not how young. Biobanded players is an exception. Not sure if any leagues besides MLS have something similar. You sound like you lack confidence in your dc’s ability to standout. Stop making excuses and blaming better players for grabbing the spotlight that they earn.

Everyone but you understands that college coaches recruit by graduating year. This means they look at players as Freshman Sophmore Juniors and Seniors. It's because it translates into players graduating year and when they can potentially arrive on campus. This is also why college coaches want players grouped by grade at showcases. Which in SY translates into Aug birthdays potentially playing up on their grade in school team if they want to be considered by college coaches.

It doesn't translate into anybody needing to play up. College coaches told Eastside, Copa and Facebook they don't care what age group you are in or your age. Showcases changing into graduation year for next year will be nice also. Best to play on age, be the oldest and become the best you can be rather than being the youngest and increasing your chances of quitting.

You're lieing again.

Here's exactly what FC Copa said.

https://youtu.be/H_MCwT85SKY?&t=5m19s

College coaches don't care about your age or youth age group, only that you can actually enter college as a student. Fyi, mentioning how an individual club is structuring does not refute the below, it is just your noise.

FC Copa from video

"We had separate conversations with several college coaches. Those college coaches made it incredibly clear that it does not matter what age is they will only recruit them once they hit their junior and senior years."

Eastside

https://www.eastsidefc.or.../agegroups

"The new two-year age group structure will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential—not the exact age grouping of their club team."

https://www.eastsidefc.or.../agegroups

Its funny how you to continue to omit this part...

"We will take into consideration the Grade Year of players in their high school age groups when determining where players should be rostered. This is to insure that if a player's birthdate is in the later part of the year (August birthdays) but they are ahead in their grade year they are not trapped in regards to their graduation year. This can only be done in the form of playing up."

Your problem is that you think “take into consideration” is a guarantee that those players will play up. My problem is, I think dc has to be good enough to earn a spot. I could be wrong, but I’m willing to bet recruiters agree with me.

It's like Arlington's "may consider" language. Just case by case like it's always been.

Glossed over that part where Arlington asked all players their grade in school this season before tryouts. When they didnt before.

You know for "records" purposes. 😉

For Arlington, playing up is ultimately based on technical criteria. They posted it.

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

Can not be any clearer than this.....

He will just disappear for a bit and then come back and pretend this never happen. He'll find some other club who he insists will be forming by grade and then that club will post the same things as Arlington and he will ghost again. He keeps doing this over and over. Y'all realize it is just one mentally ill person right?

Coming back now and then is better than sitting on this thread 24/7 trying to convince August birthday parents that it's normal to play on a team where all the other players are a grade younger in school. It's not, it's weird and it's pathetic.

The whole change from BY to SY was done so players the same grade in school would play on the same teams.

How is it “pathetic” that a kid is playing against kids within the 12 month age range set by US Soccer? You can’t get it through your head that the kid wouldn’t be playing down. The kid would be playing with his age group, just different grade. Just like today where under BY we have kids born in same year but are in different grades?

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Anonymous wrote:The jump from u17 to U19 solves all of the grade talk play your age group/ skill level the entire way having no u18 specific group already solved all these grade questions business as usual

It depends on how you look at things.

Most college coaches identify the players they want to give offers to Sophmore year. This way they can provide an offer Junior year when they can speak with players. (NCAA rule)

What the play downers / GY showcase people want to do is have their Junior or Senior play in Sophomore showcases so their kid is in the group most closely looked at by college coaches. Leagues already know this is what they want which is why they don't allow playing down Sophmore year but dont care Junior or Senior year hence the u18/19 grouping.

Would you stop making stuff up already?

This is 100% correct and not made up.

BS. There aren’t freshmen, sophomore, Junior, or senior showcases. Showcases are age based with a limit on how old a player can be, not how young. Biobanded players is an exception. Not sure if any leagues besides MLS have something similar. You sound like you lack confidence in your dc’s ability to standout. Stop making excuses and blaming better players for grabbing the spotlight that they earn.

Everyone but you understands that college coaches recruit by graduating year. This means they look at players as Freshman Sophmore Juniors and Seniors. It's because it translates into players graduating year and when they can potentially arrive on campus. This is also why college coaches want players grouped by grade at showcases. Which in SY translates into Aug birthdays potentially playing up on their grade in school team if they want to be considered by college coaches.

It doesn't translate into anybody needing to play up. College coaches told Eastside, Copa and Facebook they don't care what age group you are in or your age. Showcases changing into graduation year for next year will be nice also. Best to play on age, be the oldest and become the best you can be rather than being the youngest and increasing your chances of quitting.

You're lieing again.

Here's exactly what FC Copa said.

https://youtu.be/H_MCwT85SKY?&t=5m19s

College coaches don't care about your age or youth age group, only that you can actually enter college as a student. Fyi, mentioning how an individual club is structuring does not refute the below, it is just your noise.

FC Copa from video

"We had separate conversations with several college coaches. Those college coaches made it incredibly clear that it does not matter what age is they will only recruit them once they hit their junior and senior years."

Eastside

https://www.eastsidefc.or.../agegroups

"The new two-year age group structure will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential—not the exact age grouping of their club team."

https://www.eastsidefc.or.../agegroups

Its funny how you to continue to omit this part...

"We will take into consideration the Grade Year of players in their high school age groups when determining where players should be rostered. This is to insure that if a player's birthdate is in the later part of the year (August birthdays) but they are ahead in their grade year they are not trapped in regards to their graduation year. This can only be done in the form of playing up."

Your problem is that you think “take into consideration” is a guarantee that those players will play up. My problem is, I think dc has to be good enough to earn a spot. I could be wrong, but I’m willing to bet recruiters agree with me.

It's like Arlington's "may consider" language. Just case by case like it's always been.

Glossed over that part where Arlington asked all players their grade in school this season before tryouts. When they didnt before.

You know for "records" purposes. 😉

For Arlington, playing up is ultimately based on technical criteria. They posted it.

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

Can not be any clearer than this.....

He will just disappear for a bit and then come back and pretend this never happen. He'll find some other club who he insists will be forming by grade and then that club will post the same things as Arlington and he will ghost again. He keeps doing this over and over. Y'all realize it is just one mentally ill person right?

Coming back now and then is better than sitting on this thread 24/7 trying to convince August birthday parents that it's normal to play on a team where all the other players are a grade younger in school. It's not, it's weird and it's pathetic.

The whole change from BY to SY was done so players the same grade in school would play on the same teams.

How is it “pathetic” that a kid is playing against kids within the 12 month age range set by US Soccer? You can’t get it through your head that the kid wouldn’t be playing down. The kid would be playing with his age group, just different grade. Just like today where under BY we have kids born in same year but are in different grades?

Choosing to play down and be on a team with players that are all a grade below you in school is pathetic. Kids hate it and are embarrassed. The only person looking for this situation are parents that are chasing plastic trophies.

Don't believe it's a choice to play your age bracket in travel club soccer

But you live in your own world so rational logical factual statements from us here on earth means nothing to you

[Anonymous]

As a parent of an August misaligned player, I hear the concerns about playing on age and how it could affect recruiting.

But I also wonder, what are the college recruiting chances when playing up with your grade if you are now the youngest competing with players 12 months older.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an August misaligned player, I hear the concerns about playing on age and how it could affect recruiting.

But I also wonder, what are the college recruiting chances when playing up with your grade if you are now the youngest competing with players 12 months older.

You're asking about the relative age effect. There are many scientific studies with data that have your answer

Though grade is irrelevant. Only the 12 month biological age difference matters.

Recruiting is about your talent, skills, grades and character. Not your age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an August misaligned player, I hear the concerns about playing on age and how it could affect recruiting.

But I also wonder, what are the college recruiting chances when playing up with your grade if you are now the youngest competing with players 12 months older.

One way or another your player is going to be competing for college spots against other players who are available on the market (graduating) the same year.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an August misaligned player, I hear the concerns about playing on age and how it could affect recruiting.

But I also wonder, what are the college recruiting chances when playing up with your grade if you are now the youngest competing with players 12 months older.

One way or another your player is going to be competing for college spots against other players who are available on the market (graduating) the same year.

This is correct. College coaches will compare your kid with other players in their grade for who they want to recruit. If an Aug birthday is playing up on a team thats their grade in school they're the same as all other players in their graduating class/year. If an Aug birthday is playing down on a team thats a grade below them in school they're considered worse across all attributes college coaches are looking for. Which puts them at a serious disadvantage for being recruited.

What the age guy doesnt understand is top college coaches will only be interested in the top 1-2 players on each team. And guess what? If these players are August birthdays they're the ones most likely to be playing up on a correct grade team. Lather rinse repeat and what happens is college coaches quickly (re)discover that Aug birthdays that choose to play down are a waste of their time.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an August misaligned player, I hear the concerns about playing on age and how it could affect recruiting.

But I also wonder, what are the college recruiting chances when playing up with your grade if you are now the youngest competing with players 12 months older.

One way or another your player is going to be competing for college spots against other players who are available on the market (graduating) the same year.

This is correct. College coaches will compare your kid with other players in their grade for who they want to recruit. If an Aug birthday is playing up on a team thats their grade in school they're the same as all other players in their graduating class/year. If an Aug birthday is playing down on a team thats a grade below them in school they're considered worse across all attributes college coaches are looking for. Which puts them at a serious disadvantage for being recruited.

What the age guy doesnt understand is top college coaches will only be interested in the top 1-2 players on each team. And guess what? If these players are August birthdays they're the ones most likely to be playing up on a correct grade team. Lather rinse repeat and what happens is college coaches quickly (re)discover that Aug birthdays that choose to play down are a waste of their time.

Parrotting yourself again. So much wrong with your post. Just rampant speculation from a bunch of "if"s without facts.

More than top 1-2 players on each go to play in college, top colleges. Top college coaches only follow players that have interest in their program, they don't follow teams.

August players competing with all in graduation class plus transfers plus foreign players. They have to max out their talent which is often achieved by being the oldest in an age group. And get good grades in school. Everybody gets compared against everyone else and where you are playing, good team, bad team, young team, old team, foreign team, college team, is irrelevant.

College coaches on Facebook and told two teams that they don't care what age group you are in, only that you are good enough (verified earlier). The youngest in each age group is at a serious disadvantage of going far in soccer and has an increased chance of quitting (it's science).

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an August misaligned player, I hear the concerns about playing on age and how it could affect recruiting.

But I also wonder, what are the college recruiting chances when playing up with your grade if you are now the youngest competing with players 12 months older.

One way or another your player is going to be competing for college spots against other players who are available on the market (graduating) the same year.

This is correct. College coaches will compare your kid with other players in their grade for who they want to recruit. If an Aug birthday is playing up on a team thats their grade in school they're the same as all other players in their graduating class/year. If an Aug birthday is playing down on a team thats a grade below them in school they're considered worse across all attributes college coaches are looking for. Which puts them at a serious disadvantage for being recruited.

What the age guy doesnt understand is top college coaches will only be interested in the top 1-2 players on each team. And guess what? If these players are August birthdays they're the ones most likely to be playing up on a correct grade team. Lather rinse repeat and what happens is college coaches quickly (re)discover that Aug birthdays that choose to play down are a waste of their time.

I don't understand this person at all - it's not "playing down" when you're playing in your age bracket. There are always kids who will be the oldest in their bracket - they are not playing down! They just fall on one side of the cut off.

This is so dumb, lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an August misaligned player, I hear the concerns about playing on age and how it could affect recruiting.

But I also wonder, what are the college recruiting chances when playing up with your grade if you are now the youngest competing with players 12 months older.

The youngest in an age group is at a severe disadvantage to play in college or become pro or even make national teams, even as adults. They spend their whole lives as afterthoughts in secondary positions and often on secondary teams or fillers for the bench on top teams.

Playing up to try to play with kids in the same grade is for social reasons, not competitive reasons. Clubs are having flexibility on less competitive teams to allow playing up when the play doesn't necessarily warrant it. That is nice of them and fits in with trying to increase participation.

Think for college recruiting you have to do the leg work and find the right program much more than them finding you. Remember, kids with serious injuries that are recovering or can't play go on to play in college. And you are competing with unhappy kids at other colleges and international adults looking for the college experience.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an August misaligned player, I hear the concerns about playing on age and how it could affect recruiting.

But I also wonder, what are the college recruiting chances when playing up with your grade if you are now the youngest competing with players 12 months older.

One way or another your player is going to be competing for college spots against other players who are available on the market (graduating) the same year.

This is correct. College coaches will compare your kid with other players in their grade for who they want to recruit. If an Aug birthday is playing up on a team thats their grade in school they're the same as all other players in their graduating class/year. If an Aug birthday is playing down on a team thats a grade below them in school they're considered worse across all attributes college coaches are looking for. Which puts them at a serious disadvantage for being recruited.

What the age guy doesnt understand is top college coaches will only be interested in the top 1-2 players on each team. And guess what? If these players are August birthdays they're the ones most likely to be playing up on a correct grade team. Lather rinse repeat and what happens is college coaches quickly (re)discover that Aug birthdays that choose to play down are a waste of their time.

I don't understand this person at all - it's not "playing down" when you're playing in your age bracket. There are always kids who will be the oldest in their bracket - they are not playing down! They just fall on one side of the cut off.

This is so dumb, lol.

The only thing I can surmise is that the elderly have associated school sports with being the pinnacle of youth sports for so long they can't adjust to any thinking other than actual school grade for everything. Even though municipalities and schools have backed off on sports funding so much that private programs are now the leaders those with set views can't adjust.

[Anonymous]

Rage posting again I see.

Get it through your head that you're not going to convince parents that playing Aug birthdays down is in any way desirable.

If you really want to play down so bad just hold your Aug birthday kid back in school. Then you can collect all the plastic trophies you can handle and your kid wont get ignored by college coaches when its time for recruiting.

[Anonymous]

UFA just put up a pretty good posting on FB covering all possibilities. Some will still find a way not to understand, but it seems it made it dummy proof.

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Anonymous wrote:The jump from u17 to U19 solves all of the grade talk play your age group/ skill level the entire way having no u18 specific group already solved all these grade questions business as usual

It depends on how you look at things.

Most college coaches identify the players they want to give offers to Sophmore year. This way they can provide an offer Junior year when they can speak with players. (NCAA rule)

What the play downers / GY showcase people want to do is have their Junior or Senior play in Sophomore showcases so their kid is in the group most closely looked at by college coaches. Leagues already know this is what they want which is why they don't allow playing down Sophmore year but dont care Junior or Senior year hence the u18/19 grouping.

Would you stop making stuff up already?

This is 100% correct and not made up.

BS. There aren’t freshmen, sophomore, Junior, or senior showcases. Showcases are age based with a limit on how old a player can be, not how young. Biobanded players is an exception. Not sure if any leagues besides MLS have something similar. You sound like you lack confidence in your dc’s ability to standout. Stop making excuses and blaming better players for grabbing the spotlight that they earn.

Everyone but you understands that college coaches recruit by graduating year. This means they look at players as Freshman Sophmore Juniors and Seniors. It's because it translates into players graduating year and when they can potentially arrive on campus. This is also why college coaches want players grouped by grade at showcases. Which in SY translates into Aug birthdays potentially playing up on their grade in school team if they want to be considered by college coaches.

It doesn't translate into anybody needing to play up. College coaches told Eastside, Copa and Facebook they don't care what age group you are in or your age. Showcases changing into graduation year for next year will be nice also. Best to play on age, be the oldest and become the best you can be rather than being the youngest and increasing your chances of quitting.

You're lieing again.

Here's exactly what FC Copa said.

https://youtu.be/H_MCwT85SKY?&t=5m19s

College coaches don't care about your age or youth age group, only that you can actually enter college as a student. Fyi, mentioning how an individual club is structuring does not refute the below, it is just your noise.

FC Copa from video

"We had separate conversations with several college coaches. Those college coaches made it incredibly clear that it does not matter what age is they will only recruit them once they hit their junior and senior years."

Eastside

https://www.eastsidefc.or.../agegroups

"The new two-year age group structure will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential—not the exact age grouping of their club team."

https://www.eastsidefc.or.../agegroups

Its funny how you to continue to omit this part...

"We will take into consideration the Grade Year of players in their high school age groups when determining where players should be rostered. This is to insure that if a player's birthdate is in the later part of the year (August birthdays) but they are ahead in their grade year they are not trapped in regards to their graduation year. This can only be done in the form of playing up."

Your problem is that you think “take into consideration” is a guarantee that those players will play up. My problem is, I think dc has to be good enough to earn a spot. I could be wrong, but I’m willing to bet recruiters agree with me.

It's like Arlington's "may consider" language. Just case by case like it's always been.

Glossed over that part where Arlington asked all players their grade in school this season before tryouts. When they didnt before.

You know for "records" purposes. 😉

For Arlington, playing up is ultimately based on technical criteria. They posted it.

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

Can not be any clearer than this.....

He will just disappear for a bit and then come back and pretend this never happen. He'll find some other club who he insists will be forming by grade and then that club will post the same things as Arlington and he will ghost again. He keeps doing this over and over. Y'all realize it is just one mentally ill person right?

The problem he doesn't disappear or even bother to come up with new positions after his old positions have been shown to be incorrect or without formal backing. Morphed from SY+60 guy to Mr August hater. Next persona will be interesting. Guessing it will be switching to being full on pro grade year once grade year showcases start next year.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an August misaligned player, I hear the concerns about playing on age and how it could affect recruiting.

But I also wonder, what are the college recruiting chances when playing up with your grade if you are now the youngest competing with players 12 months older.

One way or another your player is going to be competing for college spots against other players who are available on the market (graduating) the same year.

This is correct. College coaches will compare your kid with other players in their grade for who they want to recruit. If an Aug birthday is playing up on a team thats their grade in school they're the same as all other players in their graduating class/year. If an Aug birthday is playing down on a team thats a grade below them in school they're considered worse across all attributes college coaches are looking for. Which puts them at a serious disadvantage for being recruited.

What the age guy doesnt understand is top college coaches will only be interested in the top 1-2 players on each team. And guess what? If these players are August birthdays they're the ones most likely to be playing up on a correct grade team. Lather rinse repeat and what happens is college coaches quickly (re)discover that Aug birthdays that choose to play down are a waste of their time.

I don't understand this person at all - it's not "playing down" when you're playing in your age bracket. There are always kids who will be the oldest in their bracket - they are not playing down! They just fall on one side of the cut off.

This is so dumb, lol.

The only thing I can surmise is that the elderly have associated school sports with being the pinnacle of youth sports for so long they can't adjust to any thinking other than actual school grade for everything. Even though municipalities and schools have backed off on sports funding so much that private programs are now the leaders those with set views can't adjust.

You may have found the answers

We all thought the school grade person was just a lunatic, but it's closer to elderly and senile

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rage posting again I see.

Get it through your head that you're not going to convince parents that playing Aug birthdays down is in any way desirable.

If you really want to play down so bad just hold your Aug birthday kid back in school. Then you can collect all the plastic trophies you can handle and your kid wont get ignored by college coaches when its time for recruiting.

Nobody needs to convince parents of anything. Clubs assign teams based on birthdays. Parents don't have the choice you think they do. Clubs said the best play up but for lower level travel they will make exceptions and allow playing up with friends.

College colleges will take the best player period. They said exactly that to two teams and on Facebook. Imagine a college saying you are a better player than the person we are taking but we invented a rule to blackball you from playing soccer for our college because your club wouldn't let you play up an age group. Too funny.