FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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In truth, it is much easier to post links to meetings through already existing email pathways and websites than it is to create those pathways in communities that have no HOA. In a non-HOA Community that would involve door knocking, social media posting across multiple sites, getting personal contact information etc just to get to the point where a community has an email list. I understand people’s defensiveness in me pointing that out, but it isn’t “rude” to say so. It is the truth. Saying things like “we encourage all communities to participate” when many can’t organize as easily as you do is disingenuous.

I've been watching this thread because I went through this with my kids. I do live in tract housing with an HOA. Our HOA was not involved at all. However, our PTA parents became seriously engaged and formed groups to fight a change.

However, at that time, they were not taking elementary neighborhoods and splitting them as they are now. That hits closer to home. Anyone who cannot see that either has an agenda or has never had children.
I don't blame anyone who wants to keep the status quo.

Anyone who does not want to keep the status quo is likely someone who has no attachment to their current community and school.

The status quo isn't really working for Lewis, boundaries or academics. Yet nothing is being done. People on here talk about community, but Lewis really has no strong community. I would wager the neighborhoods that feed it have some of the highest private, homeschool, or pupil placement rates. Not a lot of Lewis graduate signs up right now.

Sandy Anderson stated at 2 public meetings this past week that she intends to move Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis families out of Lewis/Key and into Irving/WSHS.

So Lewis will lose around a couple dozen students

* Thru has Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis neighborhoods staying put for middle and high school, moving their split feeder to Saratoga Elementary, which is exactly the same distance from that neighborhood as Rolling Valley, eliminating the Rolling Valley split feeder and keeping all those students together through high school.

Thru's map shows 106 RV zoned Lewis students, around 15-16 per grade, so not a small number of students. Over 4 grades, that is at least 60 students potentially moving to WSHS, more once the neighborhood becomes WSHS.

Sandy Anderson says it is only 10 students per grade, which doesn't match with Thru's numbers.

Something is wrong with their numbers.

wow, really interesting. I thought Anderson's whole goal was to move more families to Lewis, not move them out of Lewis into the already over-crowded (according to her) West Springfield. Sometime back around 2015, probably when Daventry got moved, those RV families really tried to get rezoned to Irving/WS and couldn't make it happen. Geographically, they are one of the few places where it does make sense to just switch the elementary and leave them at Key/Lewis. I don't get why Anderson would support them moving to WSHS.
Rolling Valley doesn't need to lose students, though. I think they'd be at about 76% capacity if those kids go to Saratoga. And the "program capacity", which looks on the high side for RVES, is because they have a large special ed and autism program and those kids utilize a lot of space. The general grade classrooms are really dwindling. Many of the grades only have two classrooms. Even losing 10-16 kids per grade would really reduced enrollment of the core classroom grades.

Her goal seems to be move HV out of WSHS. Not sure how seeing as that is too many kids for SC schools. And she indicated Lewis is just a rumor but do we trust any of them?

She has told constituents that Lewis is just a rumor.

I wonder if what will happen in the end will be that entire neighborhood between Gambrill and Hooes that currently goes to Sangster on one side and Hunt Valley on the other, will be completely rezoned to Newington Forest/SoCo, all of Rolling Valley moved from Key and Lewis to Irving and West Springfield, and the rest of Hunt Valley including the other side of Gambrill, stays at Hunt Valley/Irving/WSHS. That would still be very unpopular, but I could see Anderson splitting the baby in half, so to speak.

From her public posts so far, she does not appesr to be very inclined to support the Hunt Valley community already at WSHS. They are a large voting constituency, but do not appear to be a priority at this point.

Newington Forest can’t take many more students - it will be at or a little over 100% with the small neighborhood that is currently Sangster’s/LB attendance island. Kids have to stay at HVES (or get shifted around between HV, OH, and Sangster somehow) the question is just if any of them end up at SCMS/HS in the end.

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In truth, it is much easier to post links to meetings through already existing email pathways and websites than it is to create those pathways in communities that have no HOA. In a non-HOA Community that would involve door knocking, social media posting across multiple sites, getting personal contact information etc just to get to the point where a community has an email list. I understand people’s defensiveness in me pointing that out, but it isn’t “rude” to say so. It is the truth. Saying things like “we encourage all communities to participate” when many can’t organize as easily as you do is disingenuous.

I've been watching this thread because I went through this with my kids. I do live in tract housing with an HOA. Our HOA was not involved at all. However, our PTA parents became seriously engaged and formed groups to fight a change.

However, at that time, they were not taking elementary neighborhoods and splitting them as they are now. That hits closer to home. Anyone who cannot see that either has an agenda or has never had children.
I don't blame anyone who wants to keep the status quo.

Anyone who does not want to keep the status quo is likely someone who has no attachment to their current community and school.

The status quo isn't really working for Lewis, boundaries or academics. Yet nothing is being done. People on here talk about community, but Lewis really has no strong community. I would wager the neighborhoods that feed it have some of the highest private, homeschool, or pupil placement rates. Not a lot of Lewis graduate signs up right now.

Sandy Anderson stated at 2 public meetings this past week that she intends to move Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis families out of Lewis/Key and into Irving/WSHS.

So Lewis will lose around a couple dozen students

* Thru has Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis neighborhoods staying put for middle and high school, moving their split feeder to Saratoga Elementary, which is exactly the same distance from that neighborhood as Rolling Valley, eliminating the Rolling Valley split feeder and keeping all those students together through high school.

Thru's map shows 106 RV zoned Lewis students, around 15-16 per grade, so not a small number of students. Over 4 grades, that is at least 60 students potentially moving to WSHS, more once the neighborhood becomes WSHS.

Sandy Anderson says it is only 10 students per grade, which doesn't match with Thru's numbers.

Something is wrong with their numbers.

wow, really interesting. I thought Anderson's whole goal was to move more families to Lewis, not move them out of Lewis into the already over-crowded (according to her) West Springfield. Sometime back around 2015, probably when Daventry got moved, those RV families really tried to get rezoned to Irving/WS and couldn't make it happen. Geographically, they are one of the few places where it does make sense to just switch the elementary and leave them at Key/Lewis. I don't get why Anderson would support them moving to WSHS.
Rolling Valley doesn't need to lose students, though. I think they'd be at about 76% capacity if those kids go to Saratoga. And the "program capacity", which looks on the high side for RVES, is because they have a large special ed and autism program and those kids utilize a lot of space. The general grade classrooms are really dwindling. Many of the grades only have two classrooms. Even losing 10-16 kids per grade would really reduced enrollment of the core classroom grades.

Her goal seems to be move HV out of WSHS. Not sure how seeing as that is too many kids for SC schools. And she indicated Lewis is just a rumor but do we trust any of them?

They can move kids out of HV to SC, but it would create a split feeder out of HV as SCMS/HS can’t accommodate an entire new feeder elementary. Especially not one as large as HV. Also the only way to do it that wouldn’t be a lopsided split feeder would be to send almost everyone south of the parkway to SC and that’s kind of a big ask.

Also Thru’s proposals no longer have the Hagel Circle attendance island at Hayfield, so although that area is higher on the elementary students than middle/high, it does keep more students at South County than the school board’s maps had in their presentations. Something to keep in mind unless the SB’s maps are adopted in the end.

Exactly. She said the maps were a mistake and HV is supposed to move as a school so where does she propose they all go if they don’t do a split feeder?

Lewis. It’s coming.

Hey, Saratoga Mom. You might be right but Sandy told the families that wasn’t happening. She also said moving Daventry back to Lewis wasn’t happening. If she moves all of HV to SCMS and HS then other kids are going to get moved out of those schools.

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In truth, it is much easier to post links to meetings through already existing email pathways and websites than it is to create those pathways in communities that have no HOA. In a non-HOA Community that would involve door knocking, social media posting across multiple sites, getting personal contact information etc just to get to the point where a community has an email list. I understand people’s defensiveness in me pointing that out, but it isn’t “rude” to say so. It is the truth. Saying things like “we encourage all communities to participate” when many can’t organize as easily as you do is disingenuous.

I've been watching this thread because I went through this with my kids. I do live in tract housing with an HOA. Our HOA was not involved at all. However, our PTA parents became seriously engaged and formed groups to fight a change.

However, at that time, they were not taking elementary neighborhoods and splitting them as they are now. That hits closer to home. Anyone who cannot see that either has an agenda or has never had children.
I don't blame anyone who wants to keep the status quo.

Anyone who does not want to keep the status quo is likely someone who has no attachment to their current community and school.

The status quo isn't really working for Lewis, boundaries or academics. Yet nothing is being done. People on here talk about community, but Lewis really has no strong community. I would wager the neighborhoods that feed it have some of the highest private, homeschool, or pupil placement rates. Not a lot of Lewis graduate signs up right now.

Sandy Anderson stated at 2 public meetings this past week that she intends to move Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis families out of Lewis/Key and into Irving/WSHS.

So Lewis will lose around a couple dozen students

* Thru has Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis neighborhoods staying put for middle and high school, moving their split feeder to Saratoga Elementary, which is exactly the same distance from that neighborhood as Rolling Valley, eliminating the Rolling Valley split feeder and keeping all those students together through high school.

Thru's map shows 106 RV zoned Lewis students, around 15-16 per grade, so not a small number of students. Over 4 grades, that is at least 60 students potentially moving to WSHS, more once the neighborhood becomes WSHS.

Sandy Anderson says it is only 10 students per grade, which doesn't match with Thru's numbers.

Something is wrong with their numbers.

wow, really interesting. I thought Anderson's whole goal was to move more families to Lewis, not move them out of Lewis into the already over-crowded (according to her) West Springfield. Sometime back around 2015, probably when Daventry got moved, those RV families really tried to get rezoned to Irving/WS and couldn't make it happen. Geographically, they are one of the few places where it does make sense to just switch the elementary and leave them at Key/Lewis. I don't get why Anderson would support them moving to WSHS.
Rolling Valley doesn't need to lose students, though. I think they'd be at about 76% capacity if those kids go to Saratoga. And the "program capacity", which looks on the high side for RVES, is because they have a large special ed and autism program and those kids utilize a lot of space. The general grade classrooms are really dwindling. Many of the grades only have two classrooms. Even losing 10-16 kids per grade would really reduced enrollment of the core classroom grades.

Her goal seems to be move HV out of WSHS. Not sure how seeing as that is too many kids for SC schools. And she indicated Lewis is just a rumor but do we trust any of them?

They can move kids out of HV to SC, but it would create a split feeder out of HV as SCMS/HS can’t accommodate an entire new feeder elementary. Especially not one as large as HV. Also the only way to do it that wouldn’t be a lopsided split feeder would be to send almost everyone south of the parkway to SC and that’s kind of a big ask.

Also Thru’s proposals no longer have the Hagel Circle attendance island at Hayfield, so although that area is higher on the elementary students than middle/high, it does keep more students at South County than the school board’s maps had in their presentations. Something to keep in mind unless the SB’s maps are adopted in the end.

Exactly. She said the maps were a mistake and HV is supposed to move as a school so where does she propose they all go if they don’t do a split feeder?

Lewis. It’s coming.

But it was never even put forth as a proposal in any of the maps. Not from the SB/BRAC in the meeting PDFs, not from Thru in their maps. It has just never materialized as a possibility. I mean … they could technically spring anything on us at any time, but some/all of HVES to Lewis at this point would be a massive change out of left field.

I agree, but something is supposed to happen to the Hunt Valley in its entirety.

When asked publicly about the proposed Hunt Valley split feeder this past week, both Dr. Reid and Sandy Anderson stated that the Hunt Valley split feeder was not supposed to happen, it was a mistake, and Hunt Valley is supposed to move together. I also heard the they said something similar to the BRAC committee, that there were mistakes in this latest map, proposing split feeders that were not supposed to be on it, of schools that were supposed to move together.

If the school board has no advance knowlege of any of the rezoning plans, then how can they publicly claim that a school, in this case Hunt Valley but perhaps others from different parts of the county, is a "mistake" and is supposed to move as one unit?

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In truth, it is much easier to post links to meetings through already existing email pathways and websites than it is to create those pathways in communities that have no HOA. In a non-HOA Community that would involve door knocking, social media posting across multiple sites, getting personal contact information etc just to get to the point where a community has an email list. I understand people’s defensiveness in me pointing that out, but it isn’t “rude” to say so. It is the truth. Saying things like “we encourage all communities to participate” when many can’t organize as easily as you do is disingenuous.

I've been watching this thread because I went through this with my kids. I do live in tract housing with an HOA. Our HOA was not involved at all. However, our PTA parents became seriously engaged and formed groups to fight a change.

However, at that time, they were not taking elementary neighborhoods and splitting them as they are now. That hits closer to home. Anyone who cannot see that either has an agenda or has never had children.
I don't blame anyone who wants to keep the status quo.

Anyone who does not want to keep the status quo is likely someone who has no attachment to their current community and school.

The status quo isn't really working for Lewis, boundaries or academics. Yet nothing is being done. People on here talk about community, but Lewis really has no strong community. I would wager the neighborhoods that feed it have some of the highest private, homeschool, or pupil placement rates. Not a lot of Lewis graduate signs up right now.

Sandy Anderson stated at 2 public meetings this past week that she intends to move Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis families out of Lewis/Key and into Irving/WSHS.

So Lewis will lose around a couple dozen students

* Thru has Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis neighborhoods staying put for middle and high school, moving their split feeder to Saratoga Elementary, which is exactly the same distance from that neighborhood as Rolling Valley, eliminating the Rolling Valley split feeder and keeping all those students together through high school.

Thru's map shows 106 RV zoned Lewis students, around 15-16 per grade, so not a small number of students. Over 4 grades, that is at least 60 students potentially moving to WSHS, more once the neighborhood becomes WSHS.

Sandy Anderson says it is only 10 students per grade, which doesn't match with Thru's numbers.

Something is wrong with their numbers.

wow, really interesting. I thought Anderson's whole goal was to move more families to Lewis, not move them out of Lewis into the already over-crowded (according to her) West Springfield. Sometime back around 2015, probably when Daventry got moved, those RV families really tried to get rezoned to Irving/WS and couldn't make it happen. Geographically, they are one of the few places where it does make sense to just switch the elementary and leave them at Key/Lewis. I don't get why Anderson would support them moving to WSHS.
Rolling Valley doesn't need to lose students, though. I think they'd be at about 76% capacity if those kids go to Saratoga. And the "program capacity", which looks on the high side for RVES, is because they have a large special ed and autism program and those kids utilize a lot of space. The general grade classrooms are really dwindling. Many of the grades only have two classrooms. Even losing 10-16 kids per grade would really reduced enrollment of the core classroom grades.

Her goal seems to be move HV out of WSHS. Not sure how seeing as that is too many kids for SC schools. And she indicated Lewis is just a rumor but do we trust any of them?

They can move kids out of HV to SC, but it would create a split feeder out of HV as SCMS/HS can’t accommodate an entire new feeder elementary. Especially not one as large as HV. Also the only way to do it that wouldn’t be a lopsided split feeder would be to send almost everyone south of the parkway to SC and that’s kind of a big ask.

Also Thru’s proposals no longer have the Hagel Circle attendance island at Hayfield, so although that area is higher on the elementary students than middle/high, it does keep more students at South County than the school board’s maps had in their presentations. Something to keep in mind unless the SB’s maps are adopted in the end.

Exactly. She said the maps were a mistake and HV is supposed to move as a school so where does she propose they all go if they don’t do a split feeder?

Lewis. It’s coming.

But it was never even put forth as a proposal in any of the maps. Not from the SB/BRAC in the meeting PDFs, not from Thru in their maps. It has just never materialized as a possibility. I mean … they could technically spring anything on us at any time, but some/all of HVES to Lewis at this point would be a massive change out of left field.

I agree, but something is supposed to happen to the Hunt Valley in its entirety.

When asked publicly about the proposed Hunt Valley split feeder this past week, both Dr. Reid and Sandy Anderson stated that the Hunt Valley split feeder was not supposed to happen, it was a mistake, and Hunt Valley is supposed to move together. I also heard the they said something similar to the BRAC committee, that there were mistakes in this latest map, proposing split feeders that were not supposed to be on it, of schools that were supposed to move together.

If the school board has no advance knowlege of any of the rezoning plans, then how can they publicly claim that a school, in this case Hunt Valley but perhaps others from different parts of the county, is a "mistake" and is supposed to move as one unit?

I don’t trust or believe anything that most of the SB members are saying about the process at this point. They seem completely uninterested in it almost? Like, to the point of not even knowing what has been proposed so far and being surprised that the community members are looking at things so closely. Only Dunne has seemed on top of things as far as the boundary changes go. Basically what I’m saying is Anderson sounds like she has zero clue what’s going on and is not a reliable source.

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Sandy Anderson isn't my rep, but she's the Vice Chair of the Board and she seems like a complete moron totally out of her league.

The whole boundary process is supposed to third-party consultants working for Reid to develop recommendations. If Sandy (and now I understand why people frequently call her disparaging names) goes out and acts like particular boundary changes are hers to support or overrule, she's throwing that entire paradigm out the window.

That could possibly have legal consequences for FCPS, including requiring that every future BRAC meeting being open to the public and a finding that FCPS has violated its own policies by not holding meetings in each affected pyramid before proposing boundary changes.

She seems to have an IQ of about 80 and an equally low EQ. She really needs to consult with FCPS counsel about her role at this stage and STFU for a while.

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In truth, it is much easier to post links to meetings through already existing email pathways and websites than it is to create those pathways in communities that have no HOA. In a non-HOA Community that would involve door knocking, social media posting across multiple sites, getting personal contact information etc just to get to the point where a community has an email list. I understand people’s defensiveness in me pointing that out, but it isn’t “rude” to say so. It is the truth. Saying things like “we encourage all communities to participate” when many can’t organize as easily as you do is disingenuous.

I've been watching this thread because I went through this with my kids. I do live in tract housing with an HOA. Our HOA was not involved at all. However, our PTA parents became seriously engaged and formed groups to fight a change.

However, at that time, they were not taking elementary neighborhoods and splitting them as they are now. That hits closer to home. Anyone who cannot see that either has an agenda or has never had children.
I don't blame anyone who wants to keep the status quo.

Anyone who does not want to keep the status quo is likely someone who has no attachment to their current community and school.

The status quo isn't really working for Lewis, boundaries or academics. Yet nothing is being done. People on here talk about community, but Lewis really has no strong community. I would wager the neighborhoods that feed it have some of the highest private, homeschool, or pupil placement rates. Not a lot of Lewis graduate signs up right now.

Sandy Anderson stated at 2 public meetings this past week that she intends to move Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis families out of Lewis/Key and into Irving/WSHS.

So Lewis will lose around a couple dozen students

* Thru has Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis neighborhoods staying put for middle and high school, moving their split feeder to Saratoga Elementary, which is exactly the same distance from that neighborhood as Rolling Valley, eliminating the Rolling Valley split feeder and keeping all those students together through high school.

Thru's map shows 106 RV zoned Lewis students, around 15-16 per grade, so not a small number of students. Over 4 grades, that is at least 60 students potentially moving to WSHS, more once the neighborhood becomes WSHS.

Sandy Anderson says it is only 10 students per grade, which doesn't match with Thru's numbers.

Something is wrong with their numbers.

wow, really interesting. I thought Anderson's whole goal was to move more families to Lewis, not move them out of Lewis into the already over-crowded (according to her) West Springfield. Sometime back around 2015, probably when Daventry got moved, those RV families really tried to get rezoned to Irving/WS and couldn't make it happen. Geographically, they are one of the few places where it does make sense to just switch the elementary and leave them at Key/Lewis. I don't get why Anderson would support them moving to WSHS.
Rolling Valley doesn't need to lose students, though. I think they'd be at about 76% capacity if those kids go to Saratoga. And the "program capacity", which looks on the high side for RVES, is because they have a large special ed and autism program and those kids utilize a lot of space. The general grade classrooms are really dwindling. Many of the grades only have two classrooms. Even losing 10-16 kids per grade would really reduced enrollment of the core classroom grades.

Her goal seems to be move HV out of WSHS. Not sure how seeing as that is too many kids for SC schools. And she indicated Lewis is just a rumor but do we trust any of them?

They can move kids out of HV to SC, but it would create a split feeder out of HV as SCMS/HS can’t accommodate an entire new feeder elementary. Especially not one as large as HV. Also the only way to do it that wouldn’t be a lopsided split feeder would be to send almost everyone south of the parkway to SC and that’s kind of a big ask.

Also Thru’s proposals no longer have the Hagel Circle attendance island at Hayfield, so although that area is higher on the elementary students than middle/high, it does keep more students at South County than the school board’s maps had in their presentations. Something to keep in mind unless the SB’s maps are adopted in the end.

Exactly. She said the maps were a mistake and HV is supposed to move as a school so where does she propose they all go if they don’t do a split feeder?

Lewis. It’s coming.

But it was never even put forth as a proposal in any of the maps. Not from the SB/BRAC in the meeting PDFs, not from Thru in their maps. It has just never materialized as a possibility. I mean … they could technically spring anything on us at any time, but some/all of HVES to Lewis at this point would be a massive change out of left field.

I agree, but something is supposed to happen to the Hunt Valley in its entirety.

When asked publicly about the proposed Hunt Valley split feeder this past week, both Dr. Reid and Sandy Anderson stated that the Hunt Valley split feeder was not supposed to happen, it was a mistake, and Hunt Valley is supposed to move together. I also heard the they said something similar to the BRAC committee, that there were mistakes in this latest map, proposing split feeders that were not supposed to be on it, of schools that were supposed to move together.

If the school board has no advance knowlege of any of the rezoning plans, then how can they publicly claim that a school, in this case Hunt Valley but perhaps others from different parts of the county, is a "mistake" and is supposed to move as one unit?

I don’t trust or believe anything that most of the SB members are saying about the process at this point. They seem completely uninterested in it almost? Like, to the point of not even knowing what has been proposed so far and being surprised that the community members are looking at things so closely. Only Dunne has seemed on top of things as far as the boundary changes go. Basically what I’m saying is Anderson sounds like she has zero clue what’s going on and is not a reliable source.

The board members have had to deal with a lot of grief from this process and most are frankly sick of it. I’ve heard that Sandy Anderson has burned a lot of capital with her antics and the school board isn’t particularly inclined to go along with her future suggestions on any boundary moves beyond what is currently in the maps.

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Which pyramids did not have a public meeting before any changes were proposed, required by policy 8130?

So far, I have:

South County
West Springfield
Edison
McLean

Any others? I am not familiar with the changes proposed in other parts of Fairfax County.

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In truth, it is much easier to post links to meetings through already existing email pathways and websites than it is to create those pathways in communities that have no HOA. In a non-HOA Community that would involve door knocking, social media posting across multiple sites, getting personal contact information etc just to get to the point where a community has an email list. I understand people’s defensiveness in me pointing that out, but it isn’t “rude” to say so. It is the truth. Saying things like “we encourage all communities to participate” when many can’t organize as easily as you do is disingenuous.

I've been watching this thread because I went through this with my kids. I do live in tract housing with an HOA. Our HOA was not involved at all. However, our PTA parents became seriously engaged and formed groups to fight a change.

However, at that time, they were not taking elementary neighborhoods and splitting them as they are now. That hits closer to home. Anyone who cannot see that either has an agenda or has never had children.
I don't blame anyone who wants to keep the status quo.

Anyone who does not want to keep the status quo is likely someone who has no attachment to their current community and school.

The status quo isn't really working for Lewis, boundaries or academics. Yet nothing is being done. People on here talk about community, but Lewis really has no strong community. I would wager the neighborhoods that feed it have some of the highest private, homeschool, or pupil placement rates. Not a lot of Lewis graduate signs up right now.

Sandy Anderson stated at 2 public meetings this past week that she intends to move Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis families out of Lewis/Key and into Irving/WSHS.

So Lewis will lose around a couple dozen students

* Thru has Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis neighborhoods staying put for middle and high school, moving their split feeder to Saratoga Elementary, which is exactly the same distance from that neighborhood as Rolling Valley, eliminating the Rolling Valley split feeder and keeping all those students together through high school.

Thru's map shows 106 RV zoned Lewis students, around 15-16 per grade, so not a small number of students. Over 4 grades, that is at least 60 students potentially moving to WSHS, more once the neighborhood becomes WSHS.

Sandy Anderson says it is only 10 students per grade, which doesn't match with Thru's numbers.

Something is wrong with their numbers.

wow, really interesting. I thought Anderson's whole goal was to move more families to Lewis, not move them out of Lewis into the already over-crowded (according to her) West Springfield. Sometime back around 2015, probably when Daventry got moved, those RV families really tried to get rezoned to Irving/WS and couldn't make it happen. Geographically, they are one of the few places where it does make sense to just switch the elementary and leave them at Key/Lewis. I don't get why Anderson would support them moving to WSHS.
Rolling Valley doesn't need to lose students, though. I think they'd be at about 76% capacity if those kids go to Saratoga. And the "program capacity", which looks on the high side for RVES, is because they have a large special ed and autism program and those kids utilize a lot of space. The general grade classrooms are really dwindling. Many of the grades only have two classrooms. Even losing 10-16 kids per grade would really reduced enrollment of the core classroom grades.

Her goal seems to be move HV out of WSHS. Not sure how seeing as that is too many kids for SC schools. And she indicated Lewis is just a rumor but do we trust any of them?

They can move kids out of HV to SC, but it would create a split feeder out of HV as SCMS/HS can’t accommodate an entire new feeder elementary. Especially not one as large as HV. Also the only way to do it that wouldn’t be a lopsided split feeder would be to send almost everyone south of the parkway to SC and that’s kind of a big ask.

Also Thru’s proposals no longer have the Hagel Circle attendance island at Hayfield, so although that area is higher on the elementary students than middle/high, it does keep more students at South County than the school board’s maps had in their presentations. Something to keep in mind unless the SB’s maps are adopted in the end.

Exactly. She said the maps were a mistake and HV is supposed to move as a school so where does she propose they all go if they don’t do a split feeder?

Lewis. It’s coming.

But it was never even put forth as a proposal in any of the maps. Not from the SB/BRAC in the meeting PDFs, not from Thru in their maps. It has just never materialized as a possibility. I mean … they could technically spring anything on us at any time, but some/all of HVES to Lewis at this point would be a massive change out of left field.

I agree, but something is supposed to happen to the Hunt Valley in its entirety.

When asked publicly about the proposed Hunt Valley split feeder this past week, both Dr. Reid and Sandy Anderson stated that the Hunt Valley split feeder was not supposed to happen, it was a mistake, and Hunt Valley is supposed to move together. I also heard the they said something similar to the BRAC committee, that there were mistakes in this latest map, proposing split feeders that were not supposed to be on it, of schools that were supposed to move together.

If the school board has no advance knowlege of any of the rezoning plans, then how can they publicly claim that a school, in this case Hunt Valley but perhaps others from different parts of the county, is a "mistake" and is supposed to move as one unit?

I don’t trust or believe anything that most of the SB members are saying about the process at this point. They seem completely uninterested in it almost? Like, to the point of not even knowing what has been proposed so far and being surprised that the community members are looking at things so closely. Only Dunne has seemed on top of things as far as the boundary changes go. Basically what I’m saying is Anderson sounds like she has zero clue what’s going on and is not a reliable source.

It’s an act. They will have a lot to say when they want to change every proposal and have their own and talk about it for 10 hours before they vote.

They are just acting disinterested right now.

The next round of feedback and maps will be very interesting.

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In truth, it is much easier to post links to meetings through already existing email pathways and websites than it is to create those pathways in communities that have no HOA. In a non-HOA Community that would involve door knocking, social media posting across multiple sites, getting personal contact information etc just to get to the point where a community has an email list. I understand people’s defensiveness in me pointing that out, but it isn’t “rude” to say so. It is the truth. Saying things like “we encourage all communities to participate” when many can’t organize as easily as you do is disingenuous.

I've been watching this thread because I went through this with my kids. I do live in tract housing with an HOA. Our HOA was not involved at all. However, our PTA parents became seriously engaged and formed groups to fight a change.

However, at that time, they were not taking elementary neighborhoods and splitting them as they are now. That hits closer to home. Anyone who cannot see that either has an agenda or has never had children.
I don't blame anyone who wants to keep the status quo.

Anyone who does not want to keep the status quo is likely someone who has no attachment to their current community and school.

The status quo isn't really working for Lewis, boundaries or academics. Yet nothing is being done. People on here talk about community, but Lewis really has no strong community. I would wager the neighborhoods that feed it have some of the highest private, homeschool, or pupil placement rates. Not a lot of Lewis graduate signs up right now.

Sandy Anderson stated at 2 public meetings this past week that she intends to move Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis families out of Lewis/Key and into Irving/WSHS.

So Lewis will lose around a couple dozen students

* Thru has Rolling Valley/Key/Lewis neighborhoods staying put for middle and high school, moving their split feeder to Saratoga Elementary, which is exactly the same distance from that neighborhood as Rolling Valley, eliminating the Rolling Valley split feeder and keeping all those students together through high school.

Thru's map shows 106 RV zoned Lewis students, around 15-16 per grade, so not a small number of students. Over 4 grades, that is at least 60 students potentially moving to WSHS, more once the neighborhood becomes WSHS.

Sandy Anderson says it is only 10 students per grade, which doesn't match with Thru's numbers.

Something is wrong with their numbers.

wow, really interesting. I thought Anderson's whole goal was to move more families to Lewis, not move them out of Lewis into the already over-crowded (according to her) West Springfield. Sometime back around 2015, probably when Daventry got moved, those RV families really tried to get rezoned to Irving/WS and couldn't make it happen. Geographically, they are one of the few places where it does make sense to just switch the elementary and leave them at Key/Lewis. I don't get why Anderson would support them moving to WSHS.
Rolling Valley doesn't need to lose students, though. I think they'd be at about 76% capacity if those kids go to Saratoga. And the "program capacity", which looks on the high side for RVES, is because they have a large special ed and autism program and those kids utilize a lot of space. The general grade classrooms are really dwindling. Many of the grades only have two classrooms. Even losing 10-16 kids per grade would really reduced enrollment of the core classroom grades.

Her goal seems to be move HV out of WSHS. Not sure how seeing as that is too many kids for SC schools. And she indicated Lewis is just a rumor but do we trust any of them?

They can move kids out of HV to SC, but it would create a split feeder out of HV as SCMS/HS can’t accommodate an entire new feeder elementary. Especially not one as large as HV. Also the only way to do it that wouldn’t be a lopsided split feeder would be to send almost everyone south of the parkway to SC and that’s kind of a big ask.

Also Thru’s proposals no longer have the Hagel Circle attendance island at Hayfield, so although that area is higher on the elementary students than middle/high, it does keep more students at South County than the school board’s maps had in their presentations. Something to keep in mind unless the SB’s maps are adopted in the end.

Exactly. She said the maps were a mistake and HV is supposed to move as a school so where does she propose they all go if they don’t do a split feeder?

Lewis. It’s coming.

But it was never even put forth as a proposal in any of the maps. Not from the SB/BRAC in the meeting PDFs, not from Thru in their maps. It has just never materialized as a possibility. I mean … they could technically spring anything on us at any time, but some/all of HVES to Lewis at this point would be a massive change out of left field.

I agree, but something is supposed to happen to the Hunt Valley in its entirety.

When asked publicly about the proposed Hunt Valley split feeder this past week, both Dr. Reid and Sandy Anderson stated that the Hunt Valley split feeder was not supposed to happen, it was a mistake, and Hunt Valley is supposed to move together. I also heard the they said something similar to the BRAC committee, that there were mistakes in this latest map, proposing split feeders that were not supposed to be on it, of schools that were supposed to move together.

If the school board has no advance knowlege of any of the rezoning plans, then how can they publicly claim that a school, in this case Hunt Valley but perhaps others from different parts of the county, is a "mistake" and is supposed to move as one unit?

I don’t trust or believe anything that most of the SB members are saying about the process at this point. They seem completely uninterested in it almost? Like, to the point of not even knowing what has been proposed so far and being surprised that the community members are looking at things so closely. Only Dunne has seemed on top of things as far as the boundary changes go. Basically what I’m saying is Anderson sounds like she has zero clue what’s going on and is not a reliable source.

I recall seeing somewhere, maybe the Dunne Dispatch, that Mateo Dunne held meetings for the pyramids in his zone, before Thru started releasing proposals.

This would align with him being a lawyer who actually reads what he signs. Does anyone else recall Dunne holding the required meetings?

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Anonymous wrote:Which pyramids did not have a public meeting before any changes were proposed, required by policy 8130?

So far, I have:

South County
West Springfield
Edison
McLean

Any others? I am not familiar with the changes proposed in other parts of Fairfax County.

No meetings at Langley, Marshall, Madison, or Falls Church either.

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Anonymous wrote:Which pyramids did not have a public meeting before any changes were proposed, required by policy 8130?

So far, I have:

South County
West Springfield
Edison
McLean

Any others? I am not familiar with the changes proposed in other parts of Fairfax County.

No meetings at Langley, Marshall, Madison, or Falls Church either.

Or South Lakes and Westfield

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which pyramids did not have a public meeting before any changes were proposed, required by policy 8130?

So far, I have:

South County
West Springfield
Edison
McLean

Any others? I am not familiar with the changes proposed in other parts of Fairfax County.

No meetings at Langley, Marshall, Madison***, or Falls Church either.

Revised list.

*** Madison had their "before" meeting. They had a rezoning meeting in phase 1, on December 18, 2024.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review/phase-1-community-boundary-review-meetings


Pyramids that did not hold public meetings before any rezoning changes were proposed, in violation of Policy 8130:

Edison
Falls Chutch
Hayfield
Langley
Marshall
McLean
South County
West Potomac
West Springfield


Pyramids that held public meetings prior to any proposed changes:

Annandale (Phase 1 and Phase 2)
Chantilly (Phase 2)
Herndon (Phase 2)
Justice (Glasgow MS meeting, Phase 1 and Phsse 2)
Lake Braddock (Phase 1)
Lewis (Phase 2)
Madison (Phase 1)
Mount Vernon (Phase 1 at MV, Phase 2 at Whitman MS meeting)
Oakton (Phase 2)
Robinson (Phase 2)
Westfield (Phase 1 and Phase 2)
Woodson (Phase 2)

Which schools am I missing?

Several pyramids had 2 meetings.

At least 9 pyramids with proposed changes had zero meetings before proposed changes were released, in violation of 8130.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which pyramids did not have a public meeting before any changes were proposed, required by policy 8130?

So far, I have:

South County
West Springfield
Edison
McLean

Any others? I am not familiar with the changes proposed in other parts of Fairfax County.

No meetings at Langley, Marshall, Madison***, or Falls Church either.

Revised list.

Added South Lakes.

*** Madison had their "before" meeting. They had a rezoning meeting in phase 1, on December 18, 2024.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review/phase-1-community-boundary-review-meetings


Pyramids that did not hold public meetings before any rezoning changes were proposed, in violation of Policy 8130:

Edison
Falls Chutch
Hayfield
Langley
Marshall
McLean
South County
South Lakes
West Potomac
West Springfield


Pyramids that held public meetings prior to any proposed changes:

Annandale (Phase 1 and Phase 2)
Chantilly (Phase 2)
Herndon (Phase 2)
Justice (Glasgow MS meeting, Phase 1 and Phsse 2)
Lake Braddock (Phase 1)
Lewis (Phase 2)
Madison (Phase 1)
Mount Vernon (Phase 1 at MV, Phase 2 at Whitman MS meeting)
Oakton (Phase 2)
Robinson (Phase 2)
Westfield (Phase 1 and Phase 2)
Woodson (Phase 2)

Which schools am I missing?

Several pyramids had 2 meetings.

At least 9 pyramids with proposed changes had zero meetings before proposed changes were released, in violation of 8130.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which pyramids did not have a public meeting before any changes were proposed, required by policy 8130?

So far, I have:

South County
West Springfield
Edison
McLean

Any others? I am not familiar with the changes proposed in other parts of Fairfax County.

No meetings at Langley, Marshall, Madison, or Falls Church either.

Or South Lakes and Westfield

Westfield had two boundary meetings so far.

Westfield held a Phase 1 boundary meeting on December 2, 2024. They did not have a Phase 2 boundary meeting. That was a mistake.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review/phase-1-community-boundary-review-meetings

Monday, December 2 6:30-8 p.m.
Region 5
Westfield HS (Cafeteria)

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review

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Revised list.

*** Madison had their "before" meeting. They had a rezoning meeting in phase 1, on December 18, 2024.

https://www.fcps.edu/abou...w-meetings


Pyramids that did not hold public meetings before any rezoning changes were proposed, in violation of Policy 8130:

Edison
Falls Church
Hayfield
Langley
Marshall
McLean
South County
West Potomac
West Springfield


Pyramids that held public meetings prior to any proposed changes:

Annandale (Phase 1 and Phase 2)
Chantilly (Phase 2)
Herndon (Phase 2)
Justice (Glasgow MS meeting, Phase 1 and Phsse 2)
Lake Braddock (Phase 1)
Lewis (Phase 2)
Madison (Phase 1)
Mount Vernon (Phase 1 at MV, Phase 2 at Whitman MS meeting)
Oakton (Phase 2)
Robinson (Phase 2)
Westfield (Phase 1)
Woodson (Phase 2)

Which schools am I missing?

Several pyramids had 2 meetings.

At least 9 pyramids with proposed changes had zero meetings before proposed changes were released, in violation of 8130.

Phase 1 meeting dates and locations:

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review/phase-1-community-boundary-review-meetings

Phase 2 meeting dates and locations:

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review