Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Anonymous wrote:I thought there maybe new 500 families coming in to zone to Crown HS in future years if approved. What do you all think?

https://mocoshow.com/2025/05/29/new-proposal-would-bring-500-residential-units-43k-sf-of-retail-across-four-buildings-to-rio-in-gaithersburg/


Yeah banking on new housing is not very smart right now.

Also, regarding MCPS enrollment projections - Every year, they claim in future years, schools will see influx of students. Then, as you move closer towards those projections, they don't happen. This has been happening forever, and they are either too stupid to realize it or they don't care. Crown's construction is being done on the basis of such projections.


Fake projections are done on purpose to secure funding in excess of what is actually needed.


Exactly. Crown is a school that doesn’t need to be built. There are only 400-500 surplus for QO, RM and Gaithersburg. There are not enough students to support a brand new high school. MCPS fabricated data to build crown and ignored decade long requests to renovate Wootton. Wootton is really the victim here because of the political agenda behind MCPS and BOE.
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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.


That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.


I have said this for a long time, before any boundary discussion. It is the most elegant contiguous solution. Of course people have their preferences based on past experience but none of that matters in these discussions. Now Kentlands leaving is a new topic of course with Crown, but agree with City boundaries being logical here, and having enough students to fill Crown in one swath.


Yup. Same reason why Fallsgrove and Ritchie Park should go to Wootton and all of King Farm to RM.


RM parent here and I would totally support that. Lets be real, "unofficially" most of King Farm goes to RM, even the Gaithersburg HS part. So tired of RPES parents whining about Wootton. I get it, you want to go to W school and not RM.

Nah. I'm in the RPES cluster, and a lot of parents here would rather stay at RM than go to Wootton. I'm the PP who has stated repeatedly that MCPS is not going to move RPES to Wootton. And I'm fine with that.

RM Main Street is really nice. They did a great job. Kids love having open lunch. My kids enjoy/ed their time at RM. Many years ago when we moved here, we looked at homes from N. Potomac down to Kensington (I think we looked at over 40 homes). We could afford homes in Potomac. We chose the RM cluster for a reason.

Wootton is also falling apart (shame on MCPS).


I am the PP you are responding to. We were in the same boat. Chose RM over W/Potomac schools and I am actually happy we did.


Ok simmer down lol. If RM didn’t have the IB program it would be a trash. It brought in RPES to make it better and home equity is 70-100K less in many SFH neighborhoods. So then added IB. Then they added Fallsgrove. But the school can’t hide its core issues


See the many DCUM threads where we have debunked this frequent poster. RM has some high poverty areas attending, but is largely an UMC school with a high level of achievement outside the IB program.
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Anonymous wrote:Moving Wayside out of Churchill helps with utilization. How else will they get Churchill below 100%?


It’s a BS utilization at Churchill. They’ve reduced capacity by 100 seats from when it first opened. What happened did the school shrink? Churchill has just had a period of a few years with higher enrollment which was consistently in lower figures and never had a portable until a year or two I believe. Kids there have stated it’s not crowded aside from the portable there’s no evidence to that.


Churchill parent here. There's no problem with Churchill being overcapacity. Yes, there are a couple of portables and I'm sure those teachers aren't excited about them. But I've never felt Churchill had too many kids generally. It's not hurting education or the social environment. And there's not much new construction in this area, so I wouldn't expect the problem to become worse in the next decade.

I have always wondered, though, why there are kids sooo far west that come to Churchill. Those are largely Wayside kids, and some Potomac kids. So yes, to drive from Wayside ES to Wootton HS, it may be about the same distance as going to from Wayside ES to Churchill HS. But a huge part of that geography is far closer to Wootton than to Churchill. Same with the Northern part of the Potomac ES boundaries. The culprit is that they're not looking at ES boundaries. I'd be interested in knowing the *average* student's bus time to both high schools-- there is certainly some house that is closer to Churchill and some house that is closer to Wootton. In sum, I think, capacity-wise, it would be fine for Wayside to continue to go to Churchill. But I think the quality of life for the average Wayside kid might improve by going to the closer school.


Wayside families definitely closer to Churchill for the most part. For us, it is 3 miles more to Wootton than to Churchill and an additional 10 minutes (give or take) round trip. Not horrible but doesn't make sense.

The Wayside families that should never been zoned to Wayside in the first place are in the Potomac Glen area. There are three other elementary schools closer to that neighborhood, namely Lakewood, Stone Mill, and Travilah. Why they were ever zoned for Wayside/Churchill is bizarre, but from what I understand the contractor that built that development had some connections with Montgomery County politicians who made it happen. That is the only area that should be rezoned to Wootton and to the appropriate elementary school. The rest of Wayside belongs at Churchill.


But they're not changing ES boundaries. And ES split articulation to different middle schools sounds terrible. And you're citing a 5 minute increase (one way) for part of the school zone to go to Wootton where another part of the school zone would probably save 2 or 3 times that by going to Wootton. And MCPS is trying to put together a big jigsaw puzzle in which not every household will benefit, but the overall system is better. So all in all, adding 5 minuts to a commute for some people isn't going to be a deal-changer in the overall puzzle.

Based on what you said, if we could invent a time machine, people here might push for the school zone to have been created differently 20 years ago. And it sounds like there are a lot of people here who would favor looking at ES boundaries but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen. So this is where we are.



I agree ES should be changed. I’m one of the closest Wayside to Churchill and the difference is more like 10-15 mins in rush hour one way.

Additionally Wootton is in horrible shape being 55 years old. Renovations should have been approved as early as 2008 for 2018 completion but it’s been delayed since then at least until 2032-2033. That’s insane! Crown should be used by Wootton or Magruder for a full renovation. The crowding at all of these schools is nothing compared to that of WJ and I think Wheaton/blair


I agree that Crown should be used as a holding school for Wootton. implode it and build it up 3 levels, less ground space and get more parking and athletic fields. THEN redistrict.

PP here, yup should absolutely use it as holding school for all the overdue high school projects (Wootton, Magruder, QO) overbuild each for future capacity.


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How is Wootton getting bypassed when it has asbestos and falling apart but they a brand new HS and not using it as a holding school like the other one. Makes no sense.
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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.


That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.


I have said this for a long time, before any boundary discussion. It is the most elegant contiguous solution. Of course people have their preferences based on past experience but none of that matters in these discussions. Now Kentlands leaving is a new topic of course with Crown, but agree with City boundaries being logical here, and having enough students to fill Crown in one swath.


Yup. Same reason why Fallsgrove and Ritchie Park should go to Wootton and all of King Farm to RM.


RM parent here and I would totally support that. Lets be real, "unofficially" most of King Farm goes to RM, even the Gaithersburg HS part. So tired of RPES parents whining about Wootton. I get it, you want to go to W school and not RM.

Nah. I'm in the RPES cluster, and a lot of parents here would rather stay at RM than go to Wootton. I'm the PP who has stated repeatedly that MCPS is not going to move RPES to Wootton. And I'm fine with that.

RM Main Street is really nice. They did a great job. Kids love having open lunch. My kids enjoy/ed their time at RM. Many years ago when we moved here, we looked at homes from N. Potomac down to Kensington (I think we looked at over 40 homes). We could afford homes in Potomac. We chose the RM cluster for a reason.

Wootton is also falling apart (shame on MCPS).


I am the PP you are responding to. We were in the same boat. Chose RM over W/Potomac schools and I am actually happy we did.


Ok simmer down lol. If RM didn’t have the IB program it would be a trash. It brought in RPES to make it better and home equity is 70-100K less in many SFH neighborhoods. So then added IB. Then they added Fallsgrove. But the school can’t hide its core issues


See the many DCUM threads where we have debunked this frequent poster. RM has some high poverty areas attending, but is largely an UMC school with a high level of achievement outside the IB program.


Because they added RPES out of Wootton and added Fallsgrove when it was built. Before that it was awful. Someone posted a Washington Post news article explaining how bad RM was. They did a lot of restructuring and added IB. But the same other ES still go there. A lot of poverty
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To Stone Mill and Wayside families,
Please help us by signing this petition to oppose the current school reassignment plans. Right now, the options either move Stone Mill out of Wootton or break our articulation path.

Many of us have worked hard to move into this community so our kids can get the best education possible. Being reassigned to Crown means losing much of what we moved here for.

Wayside families—we need your support too. If Stone Mill stays in Wootton, there’s a better chance that Wayside can stay in Churchill.
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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.


That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.


I have said this for a long time, before any boundary discussion. It is the most elegant contiguous solution. Of course people have their preferences based on past experience but none of that matters in these discussions. Now Kentlands leaving is a new topic of course with Crown, but agree with City boundaries being logical here, and having enough students to fill Crown in one swath.


Yup. Same reason why Fallsgrove and Ritchie Park should go to Wootton and all of King Farm to RM.


RM parent here and I would totally support that. Lets be real, "unofficially" most of King Farm goes to RM, even the Gaithersburg HS part. So tired of RPES parents whining about Wootton. I get it, you want to go to W school and not RM.

Nah. I'm in the RPES cluster, and a lot of parents here would rather stay at RM than go to Wootton. I'm the PP who has stated repeatedly that MCPS is not going to move RPES to Wootton. And I'm fine with that.

RM Main Street is really nice. They did a great job. Kids love having open lunch. My kids enjoy/ed their time at RM. Many years ago when we moved here, we looked at homes from N. Potomac down to Kensington (I think we looked at over 40 homes). We could afford homes in Potomac. We chose the RM cluster for a reason.

Wootton is also falling apart (shame on MCPS).


I am the PP you are responding to. We were in the same boat. Chose RM over W/Potomac schools and I am actually happy we did.


Ok simmer down lol. If RM didn’t have the IB program it would be a trash. It brought in RPES to make it better and home equity is 70-100K less in many SFH neighborhoods. So then added IB. Then they added Fallsgrove. But the school can’t hide its core issues


Why don’t you simmer down? Wootton is the most irrelevant W school that everyone forgets exists. Parents from Churchill are revolting against their kids attending Wootton. It has an ugly building, is located in a terrible town/zip-code, and is all the way out in the middle of nowhere. If the plastics were W schools, Wootton would Gretchen Wieners. Wootton is truly the worst. Too poor/low income to be a real W and exists in the shadows of Whitman and Churchill, and too rich to be interesting enough to have scandalous incidents and fights.


Yes let’s go to RM, where it is “interesting and poor enough” to have incidents and fights daily on top of the locked bathrooms. Are you for real?!?

Wootton doesn’t care about anything but academics and a few sports. It is not entitled, basic MC/UMC and has no daily issues. That’s why home prices right next to the RM district that look identical are 100K more expensive. Families will pay to get into a decent school that prefers academics over scandals.

I mean your post is just laughable. I think you proved the PP point about RM.


Is this a joke? Wootton is so cheap. Your cluster consists of nothing but a bunch of NV homes. Wootton neighborhood is just Bowie with no Black people and a pool in the backyard. Most people in RM could sell their house and move to Wootton or even Whitman tomorrow. Homes near the town center are much more expensive than anything Wootton has. You’re the only W cluster where the median home price is below $1M. Wootton is a fake and wannabe W. Now go back to your dilapidated strip malls on a road that looks like Ritchie Highway in Glen Burnie and your dusty, old high school.
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Wootton is under capacity and the reason to build crown is because RM QO Gaithersburg are overcrowded. Guess what? they are not that overcrowded and can’t fill a brand new high school. Now Wootton is the victim for this political exercise.

💯 could have used the $250M or whatever to redo Wootton or do an addition to 5-10 schools or a combo of that plus rebuild some old ES. Keeps taxpayers happy and solves any overcrowding problems. Adding more new schools is an inefficient use of taxpayer dollars given the high schools are mostly 1750-2250 in size.

You obviously do not have kids at any of the above overcrowded schools - and they are VERY overcrowded! QO has 2100 students in a facility built for 1,700 and they add more portables every year. It's awful for the kids, the teachers, the staff. After reading ridiculous remarks like this, I'm glad Wootton is being targeted.
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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.


That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.


I have said this for a long time, before any boundary discussion. It is the most elegant contiguous solution. Of course people have their preferences based on past experience but none of that matters in these discussions. Now Kentlands leaving is a new topic of course with Crown, but agree with City boundaries being logical here, and having enough students to fill Crown in one swath.


Yup. Same reason why Fallsgrove and Ritchie Park should go to Wootton and all of King Farm to RM.


RM parent here and I would totally support that. Lets be real, "unofficially" most of King Farm goes to RM, even the Gaithersburg HS part. So tired of RPES parents whining about Wootton. I get it, you want to go to W school and not RM.

Nah. I'm in the RPES cluster, and a lot of parents here would rather stay at RM than go to Wootton. I'm the PP who has stated repeatedly that MCPS is not going to move RPES to Wootton. And I'm fine with that.

RM Main Street is really nice. They did a great job. Kids love having open lunch. My kids enjoy/ed their time at RM. Many years ago when we moved here, we looked at homes from N. Potomac down to Kensington (I think we looked at over 40 homes). We could afford homes in Potomac. We chose the RM cluster for a reason.

Wootton is also falling apart (shame on MCPS).


I am the PP you are responding to. We were in the same boat. Chose RM over W/Potomac schools and I am actually happy we did.


Ok simmer down lol. If RM didn’t have the IB program it would be a trash. It brought in RPES to make it better and home equity is 70-100K less in many SFH neighborhoods. So then added IB. Then they added Fallsgrove. But the school can’t hide its core issues


See the many DCUM threads where we have debunked this frequent poster. RM has some high poverty areas attending, but is largely an UMC school with a high level of achievement outside the IB program.


Because they added RPES out of Wootton and added Fallsgrove when it was built. Before that it was awful. Someone posted a Washington Post news article explaining how bad RM was. They did a lot of restructuring and added IB. But the same other ES still go there. A lot of poverty



No, RM also has half of King Farm, College Gardens, Woodley Gardens and Derwood, mostly highly educated parents working fed jobs, etc. There are pockets of poverty in all of the newer developments like KF and FG, because of HOC and MDPU set asides that are converted to HOC, but that is what all of you voted for.
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Anonymous wrote:I thought there maybe new 500 families coming in to zone to Crown HS in future years if approved. What do you all think?

https://mocoshow.com/2025/05/29/new-proposal-would-bring-500-residential-units-43k-sf-of-retail-across-four-buildings-to-rio-in-gaithersburg/

There are new builds everywhere. There's a huge one near King Farm on the old Buick car lot on 355 near Shady Grove.

Those two build areas will be zoned for the HSs impacted by this boundary change.
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Wootton is under capacity and the reason to build crown is because RM QO Gaithersburg are overcrowded. Guess what? they are not that overcrowded and can’t fill a brand new high school. Now Wootton is the victim for this political exercise.


💯 could have used the $250M or whatever to redo Wootton or do an addition to 5-10 schools or a combo of that plus rebuild some old ES. Keeps taxpayers happy and solves any overcrowding problems. Adding more new schools is an inefficient use of taxpayer dollars given the high schools are mostly 1750-2250 in size.

You obviously do not have kids at any of the above overcrowded schools - and they are VERY overcrowded! QO has 2100 students in a facility built for 1,700 and they add more portables every year. It's awful for the kids, the teachers, the staff. After reading ridiculous remarks like this, I'm glad Wootton is being targeted.

I cant speak for QO and Gaithersburg, but RM is absolutely overcrowded. They have at least 12 portables (may be more, cant remember). The school assemblies are done in "shifts" because no area can accommodate all the kids. "Open lunch" is also due to overcrowding, but kids actually love that one.
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Wootton is under capacity and the reason to build crown is because RM QO Gaithersburg are overcrowded. Guess what? they are not that overcrowded and can’t fill a brand new high school. Now Wootton is the victim for this political exercise.


💯 could have used the $250M or whatever to redo Wootton or do an addition to 5-10 schools or a combo of that plus rebuild some old ES. Keeps taxpayers happy and solves any overcrowding problems. Adding more new schools is an inefficient use of taxpayer dollars given the high schools are mostly 1750-2250 in size.

You obviously do not have kids at any of the above overcrowded schools - and they are VERY overcrowded! QO has 2100 students in a facility built for 1,700 and they add more portables every year. It's awful for the kids, the teachers, the staff. After reading ridiculous remarks like this, I'm glad Wootton is being targeted.
+1 "not that crowded". lol

I bet that "not that crowded" parent is in the Wootton cluster. They have no clue what an overcrowded HS is like.
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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t they just put some of QO, Gaithersburg and RM to Crown hs, then call it a day. Maybe they can add some new development townhouses on key west.

Some of the boundaries today make no sense, including Wootton boundary.

MS are also over capacity. Makes sense to change the boundaries for MS now, too. Also, the current boundaries for
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Exactly. Crown is a school that doesn’t need to be built. There are only 400-500 surplus for QO, RM and Gaithersburg. There are not enough students to support a brand new high school. MCPS fabricated data to build crown and ignored decade long requests to renovate Wootton. Wootton is really the victim here because of the political agenda behind MCPS and BOE.


You clearly have not noticed all the townhomes, apartments, and condos going up in the area immediately around the new Crown site. I believe there are several thousand total new homes projected to go up in the next couple of years, most of which are being actively built. On top of all the homes being built in the Travillah Rd area. There is absolutely a need for a new high school.
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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.


That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.


I have said this for a long time, before any boundary discussion. It is the most elegant contiguous solution. Of course people have their preferences based on past experience but none of that matters in these discussions. Now Kentlands leaving is a new topic of course with Crown, but agree with City boundaries being logical here, and having enough students to fill Crown in one swath.


Yup. Same reason why Fallsgrove and Ritchie Park should go to Wootton and all of King Farm to RM.


RM parent here and I would totally support that. Lets be real, "unofficially" most of King Farm goes to RM, even the Gaithersburg HS part. So tired of RPES parents whining about Wootton. I get it, you want to go to W school and not RM.

Nah. I'm in the RPES cluster, and a lot of parents here would rather stay at RM than go to Wootton. I'm the PP who has stated repeatedly that MCPS is not going to move RPES to Wootton. And I'm fine with that.

RM Main Street is really nice. They did a great job. Kids love having open lunch. My kids enjoy/ed their time at RM. Many years ago when we moved here, we looked at homes from N. Potomac down to Kensington (I think we looked at over 40 homes). We could afford homes in Potomac. We chose the RM cluster for a reason.

Wootton is also falling apart (shame on MCPS).


I am the PP you are responding to. We were in the same boat. Chose RM over W/Potomac schools and I am actually happy we did.


Ok simmer down lol. If RM didn’t have the IB program it would be a trash. It brought in RPES to make it better and home equity is 70-100K less in many SFH neighborhoods. So then added IB. Then they added Fallsgrove. But the school can’t hide its core issues


Why don’t you simmer down? Wootton is the most irrelevant W school that everyone forgets exists. Parents from Churchill are revolting against their kids attending Wootton. It has an ugly building, is located in a terrible town/zip-code, and is all the way out in the middle of nowhere. If the plastics were W schools, Wootton would Gretchen Wieners. Wootton is truly the worst. Too poor/low income to be a real W and exists in the shadows of Whitman and Churchill, and too rich to be interesting enough to have scandalous incidents and fights.


Yes let’s go to RM, where it is “interesting and poor enough” to have incidents and fights daily on top of the locked bathrooms. Are you for real?!?

Wootton doesn’t care about anything but academics and a few sports. It is not entitled, basic MC/UMC and has no daily issues. That’s why home prices right next to the RM district that look identical are 100K more expensive. Families will pay to get into a decent school that prefers academics over scandals.

I mean your post is just laughable. I think you proved the PP point about RM.


Is this a joke? Wootton is so cheap. Your cluster consists of nothing but a bunch of NV homes. Wootton neighborhood is just Bowie with no Black people and a pool in the backyard. Most people in RM could sell their house and move to Wootton or even Whitman tomorrow. Homes near the town center are much more expensive than anything Wootton has. You’re the only W cluster where the median home price is below $1M. Wootton is a fake and wannabe W. Now go back to your dilapidated strip malls on a road that looks like Ritchie Highway in Glen Burnie and your dusty, old high school.


from that nearly 40 year old newspaper article... Now RM has the 'new' school and Wooton is aged. My oldest just graduated RM yesterday. She could walk to school, had open lunch, and great teachers. She didn't do IB but like half her friends did. I'm glad we arent being moved.
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Although I don’t love it, I feel the same. The kids will still be at a W school and my property value remains the same.
It’s a win for us.

This "W" school thing is such BS. I was at a non-W MCPS high school and I have a fantastic career and multiple gradate degrees. I have friends who went to "W" schools and are no more successful than I am, many less successful. Even the "worst" high school in Montgomery County is better than 99% of the schools around this country. People need to chill out. Your kids will be just fine at Crown. There are kids at RM and Rockville and Gaithersburg who will go on to be doctors, lawyer, and scientists. People need to get over themselves.
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