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Anonymous wrote:I will say, don't know about football byt my kids played FCPS basketball and volleyball and there was never a "team fee" like this. Everything was covered.

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/high-school-recruiting-scandal-bullying-alleged-at-hayfield/article_0cf41168-2f24-11ef-be80-5771473f6dd4.html

My kid played football and another sport in Prince William county (not Freedom) and there was a fee collected each season to pay for team meals before the games. Could this be what the collection was for?

$30,000 of team meals?

Wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper to pot luck it?

Why do they need team meals? My kids
played other high school sports and they did not have team meals.

I don't know what kind of sports your kids played, but football games generally start at 7 pm and last until around 9:30 or 10 pm. Lunch for some of these players is as early as 10:30 am. It's unreasonable to expect athletes to go nearly 12 hours without a meal and still perform well on the field. They need a meal.
I mean, I guess you could just say that each player should pack a lunch box, but the meal together is good team bonding.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say, don't know about football byt my kids played FCPS basketball and volleyball and there was never a "team fee" like this. Everything was covered.

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/high-school-recruiting-scandal-bullying-alleged-at-hayfield/article_0cf41168-2f24-11ef-be80-5771473f6dd4.html

My kid played football and another sport in Prince William county (not Freedom) and there was a fee collected each season to pay for team meals before the games. Could this be what the collection was for?

$30,000 of team meals?

Wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper to pot luck it?

Why do they need team meals? My kids
played other high school sports and they did not have team meals.

Players do need a meal around 5 pm to allow it to settle before playing at 7 pm, but a $5 spaghetti dinner is what most schools do. $2,000 should cover that for the entire team for the season.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say, don't know about football byt my kids played FCPS basketball and volleyball and there was never a "team fee" like this. Everything was covered.

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/high-school-recruiting-scandal-bullying-alleged-at-hayfield/article_0cf41168-2f24-11ef-be80-5771473f6dd4.html

My kid played football and another sport in Prince William county (not Freedom) and there was a fee collected each season to pay for team meals before the games. Could this be what the collection was for?

$30,000 of team meals?

Wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper to pot luck it?

Why do they need team meals? My kids
played other high school sports and they did not have team meals.

Players do need a meal around 5 pm to allow it to settle before playing at 7 pm, but a $5 spaghetti dinner is what most schools do. $2,000 should cover that for the entire team for the season.

Where are they finding a $5 spaghetti dinner?


$5 x 75 (I don't know how many players Hayfield has, but 60 seems on the low end of typical...plus staff and team managers) = $375/game
12 games plus 2 scrimmages per season (so not even including post season games, which Overton's teams typically play)= $5250.

Again, I don't know Overton or his team mom or anyone whose ever played for him-so I can't say for sure that's where the $30,000 is going to. But if someone who does know them told me that's what it's for, I'd believe them.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say, don't know about football byt my kids played FCPS basketball and volleyball and there was never a "team fee" like this. Everything was covered.

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/high-school-recruiting-scandal-bullying-alleged-at-hayfield/article_0cf41168-2f24-11ef-be80-5771473f6dd4.html

My kid played football and another sport in Prince William county (not Freedom) and there was a fee collected each season to pay for team meals before the games. Could this be what the collection was for?

$30,000 of team meals?

Wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper to pot luck it?

For football, the team meals were before the games. A lot of parents are still at work at the time the meals need to be served, and also a lot of parents won't contribute on a regular basis. It's easier to get parents to pay a one time fee, than to get parents to agree to cook and then drive it to the school in the late afternoon every week for 3 months.

Again, I don't get the purpose. My kids played basketball. They would go directly to the games from afterschool (for JV and 9th grade). For Varsity, they would go home first and eat dinner, presumably. No giant team meals.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say, don't know about football byt my kids played FCPS basketball and volleyball and there was never a "team fee" like this. Everything was covered.

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/high-school-recruiting-scandal-bullying-alleged-at-hayfield/article_0cf41168-2f24-11ef-be80-5771473f6dd4.html

My kid played football and another sport in Prince William county (not Freedom) and there was a fee collected each season to pay for team meals before the games. Could this be what the collection was for?

$30,000 of team meals?

Wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper to pot luck it?

For football, the team meals were before the games. A lot of parents are still at work at the time the meals need to be served, and also a lot of parents won't contribute on a regular basis. It's easier to get parents to pay a one time fee, than to get parents to agree to cook and then drive it to the school in the late afternoon every week for 3 months.

Again, I don't get the purpose. My kids played basketball. They would go directly to the games from afterschool (for JV and 9th grade). For Varsity, they would go home first and eat dinner, presumably. No giant team meals.

For my kids team, they weren’t allowed to go home in between. Not everyone would have a ride back.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say, don't know about football byt my kids played FCPS basketball and volleyball and there was never a "team fee" like this. Everything was covered.

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/high-school-recruiting-scandal-bullying-alleged-at-hayfield/article_0cf41168-2f24-11ef-be80-5771473f6dd4.html

My kid played football and another sport in Prince William county (not Freedom) and there was a fee collected each season to pay for team meals before the games. Could this be what the collection was for?

$30,000 of team meals?

Wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper to pot luck it?

Why do they need team meals? My kids
played other high school sports and they did not have team meals.

I don't know what kind of sports your kids played, but football games generally start at 7 pm and last until around 9:30 or 10 pm. Lunch for some of these players is as early as 10:30 am. It's unreasonable to expect athletes to go nearly 12 hours without a meal and still perform well on the field. They need a meal.
I mean, I guess you could just say that each player should pack a lunch box, but the meal together is good team bonding.

Most kids would go home on the bus at 3:00, eat, and then return to school for the game. Why are they hanging around the school all day? This is so weird to me.

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It said in the Team "Mom" email that they would be ordering pizza before every game. So, the plan was pizza. I don't think you can spend $30,000 on pizza.

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This seems like something strangely part of football team culture that isn't carried over for any other sport teams. My kids didn't play football and the only team meal they ever had at public school was a pizza party for their "team banquest" at the end of the season.

Are kids really required to hang around school for four hours after the bell before the football game starts?

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Anonymous wrote:It said in the Team "Mom" email that they would be ordering pizza before every game. So, the plan was pizza. I don't think you can spend $30,000 on pizza.

How many slices of pizza do you think a lineman will eat?

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Anonymous wrote:This seems like something strangely part of football team culture that isn't carried over for any other sport teams. My kids didn't play football and the only team meal they ever had at public school was a pizza party for their "team banquest" at the end of the season.

Are kids really required to hang around school for four hours after the bell before the football game starts?

Yes-but it’s not just hanging around for four hours. The game starts at 7-they have to dress, warm up, etc.

Also, if any of the players aren’t doing well academically, they will sometimes have a mandatory “study hall” during the hours in between.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say, don't know about football byt my kids played FCPS basketball and volleyball and there was never a "team fee" like this. Everything was covered.

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/high-school-recruiting-scandal-bullying-alleged-at-hayfield/article_0cf41168-2f24-11ef-be80-5771473f6dd4.html

My kid played football and another sport in Prince William county (not Freedom) and there was a fee collected each season to pay for team meals before the games. Could this be what the collection was for?

$30,000 of team meals?

Wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper to pot luck it?

Why do they need team meals? My kids
played other high school sports and they did not have team meals.

I don't know what kind of sports your kids played, but football games generally start at 7 pm and last until around 9:30 or 10 pm. Lunch for some of these players is as early as 10:30 am. It's unreasonable to expect athletes to go nearly 12 hours without a meal and still perform well on the field. They need a meal.
I mean, I guess you could just say that each player should pack a lunch box, but the meal together is good team bonding.

Most kids would go home on the bus at 3:00, eat, and then return to school for the game. Why are they hanging around the school all day? This is so weird to me.

Not every game is a home game. I don’t know about Hayfields schedule specifically, but it’s not unusual in this area for teams to travel (by bus) an hour for at least one game per season

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Anonymous wrote:John Champe had a basketball coach leave after last years season. That guy brought a kid in from DC and last year had a guy who lives in Alexandria play on the team. The kid from Alexandria transferred to a WCAC school, but that guy was a big time cheater.
This stuff happens all the time

I think a kid here or there slips through the enforcement (of which, there is apparently very little). But the idiocy and brazenness of trying to cheat with half a football team was just foolish.

No no no. The Champe guy is far worse than any coach that’s been mentioned in this thread.

He's awful but sorry, there is no way he talked 15 kids into transferring to Champe and then 9 couldn't play because he lied to them about the rules. So, he's a cheater but can't hold a candle to Overton (who is still somehow employed???)

Did WW get fired from Champe?

He would have got more if he could’ve convinced them to come out there and play for him. The guys just such scum that a lot of people won’t deal with him.
Not sure if he was fired or not, but probably the way things were going. The guy was using the school gym for his sons AAU and travel teams, doing group training sessions, etc, then pretending that any money he was making would be donated to the school. I’m sure the school saw a very low percentage of any money he made, if anything at all.

We saw their team in the fall league last year, he was putting his elementary school twins into the JV games while he had high schoolers sitting on the bench. What a douchecanoe.

I can believe he was doing that. His sons play on an elite team which was more of his priority. The players on his son’s 6th grade team would practice with his high school players.
If you ever had a conversation with him, all he ever talks about is how good his son’s teams were. Never would he mention Champe. Some people say he was fired. He says he resigned.

Doesn't sound like a good situation for the high school kids at all. What high school kids want to regularly practice with elementary schoolers.
I bet he was fired, using school gym space for private businesses is a huge no. If the high school teams aren't using the gym time, it is supposed to be made available for permitted use by community non-profits like DYS. It doesn't seem like he is coaching anywhere else which also suggests being canned.

There is a different thread for the woodson coach.

This thread is about Hayfield.

You are mudding the water by posting about woodson and that coach's kids.

That post was about the Champe coach. Relevant b/c he was also apparently a cheater although not on such a huge scale.

The Champe guy was worse. Fortunately, he deals with less kids in basketball than a football coach would.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say, don't know about football byt my kids played FCPS basketball and volleyball and there was never a "team fee" like this. Everything was covered.

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/high-school-recruiting-scandal-bullying-alleged-at-hayfield/article_0cf41168-2f24-11ef-be80-5771473f6dd4.html

Some sports require more team fees like football and Lacrosse. Basketball requires less fees and generates more money.

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Anonymous wrote:John Champe had a basketball coach leave after last years season. That guy brought a kid in from DC and last year had a guy who lives in Alexandria play on the team. The kid from Alexandria transferred to a WCAC school, but that guy was a big time cheater.
This stuff happens all the time

I think a kid here or there slips through the enforcement (of which, there is apparently very little). But the idiocy and brazenness of trying to cheat with half a football team was just foolish.

No no no. The Champe guy is far worse than any coach that’s been mentioned in this thread.

He's awful but sorry, there is no way he talked 15 kids into transferring to Champe and then 9 couldn't play because he lied to them about the rules. So, he's a cheater but can't hold a candle to Overton (who is still somehow employed???)

Did WW get fired from Champe?

He would have got more if he could’ve convinced them to come out there and play for him. The guys just such scum that a lot of people won’t deal with him.
Not sure if he was fired or not, but probably the way things were going. The guy was using the school gym for his sons AAU and travel teams, doing group training sessions, etc, then pretending that any money he was making would be donated to the school. I’m sure the school saw a very low percentage of any money he made, if anything at all.

We saw their team in the fall league last year, he was putting his elementary school twins into the JV games while he had high schoolers sitting on the bench. What a douchecanoe.

I can believe he was doing that. His sons play on an elite team which was more of his priority. The players on his son’s 6th grade team would practice with his high school players.
If you ever had a conversation with him, all he ever talks about is how good his son’s teams were. Never would he mention Champe. Some people say he was fired. He says he resigned.

Doesn't sound like a good situation for the high school kids at all. What high school kids want to regularly practice with elementary schoolers.
I bet he was fired, using school gym space for private businesses is a huge no. If the high school teams aren't using the gym time, it is supposed to be made available for permitted use by community non-profits like DYS. It doesn't seem like he is coaching anywhere else which also suggests being canned.

There is a different thread for the woodson coach.

This thread is about Hayfield.

You are mudding the water by posting about woodson and that coach's kids.

That post was about the Champe coach. Relevant b/c he was also apparently a cheater although not on such a huge scale.

There are no FCPS called Champe.

This is a hayfield thread and has nothing to do with whatever champe is.

Did someone die and make you the Thread Police? The topic is the Hayfield Coach's Embarrassing Cheating Scandal and How He Got Caught and people have made comments regarding similar--but not as ridiculous--cheating by another local well-known coach. Maybe people from Woodbridge aren't familiar with high schools in Loudoun County, and that's ok. Woodbridge is not local to the Hayfield area OR anywhere near Loudoun! Just read along and learn something.

This is a Fairfax County Public Schools forum. Not a Loudoun County forum.

You are distracting from the point of the discussion of this thread. Loudoun County and their private sports leagues are completely irrelevant to anything being discussed here. Your posts are only confusing this important FCPS conversation by adding information that is completely irrelevant.

NP-Disagree. PWCS are also relevant, because apparently this guy was fired from there for using school resources for his private sports business...and this guy recruited from all over the DC area apparently. Its a regional topic, and his defended claimed "all the coaches do it" as a defense.

Right.

But this guy posting about Loudoun County elementary school football leagues and coaches have nothing to do with any of this, especially when he doesn't identify that he is posting about a 3rd unrelated county and not identifying that his allegations have nothing to do with Hayfield or Freedom.

You seem to struggle with reading comprehension. It was clearly a post about a another northern VA public HS basketball coach who was also alleged to be using school resources for private gain (like Overton did) and recruiting out of bounds kids to play to stack his team (like Overton did) and who was possibly let go because of it ( hopefully like Overton will be).

If anyone wants to name and shame other local public HS coaches doing the same shenanigans, that's on topic as well.

Then why is he mentioning Loudoun county and elementary school kids tgat have nothing to do with any of this?

Don’t worry about it. It’s just above your head.

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So what happens with the NINE ineligible players? Can they become re-eligible or do they have to sit the whole year out? Are they all still at Hayfield?