Why is Northeastern (NEU) so popular with both parents and students these days?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

At first I thought it was some new and interesting information about NEU. Then I realized that article is more than 10 years old. And the worst "gaming" was going after high SAT kids, back when US News cared about such a thing. Since US News doesn't care about SAT scores or acceptance rates, why do I care about an article a decade old?

Parenthetically, at lease NEU didn't outright cheat like Columbia University. Sounds like Northeastern played by the rules

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

What about it? it basically says Northeastern played by the rules and actually improved in the areas considered important while there were schools cheated to climb up rankings. We in fact have recent cases of cheating such as UCBerkeley, Columbia, Emory etc.

[Anonymous]

The sockpuppet from the last three comments needs to better time their posts to be more convincing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

MIT was also mainly considered a trade school until 1950s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology
"Still, as late as 1949, the Lewis Committee lamented in its report on the state of education at MIT that "the Institute is widely conceived as basically a vocational school"

Every school started small and local.
What matters is today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The sockpuppet from the last three comments needs to better time their posts to be more convincing.

They boost NEU like it’s there job

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sockpuppet from the last three comments needs to better time their posts to be more convincing.

They boost NEU like it’s there job

Out of curiousity, what school did you attend? Because your antipathy towards NEU is pretty jarring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

Northeastern was not a commuter school in 1996. Maybe in 1956 - I actually know someone who attended during that time. NEU was always a top engineering school and still is. In fact, BU has always been a commuter school, and MIT and Harvard both started as commuter schools.

It is not as if any of those are commuter schools current day, such as Mason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

MIT was also mainly considered a trade school until 1950s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology
"Still, as late as 1949, the Lewis Committee lamented in its report on the state of education at MIT that "the Institute is widely conceived as basically a vocational school"

Every school started small and local.
What matters is today.

+1

The but it WAS....it USED TO BE, etc.. need to get a grip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sockpuppet from the last three comments needs to better time their posts to be more convincing.

They boost NEU like it’s there job

Out of curiousity, what school did you attend? Because your antipathy towards NEU is pretty jarring.

+1. Psychotic, is more like it. OP, whom are you targeting? Someone in particular? You do not seem stable. I can not believe this thread has not been locked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

MIT was also mainly considered a trade school until 1950s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology
"Still, as late as 1949, the Lewis Committee lamented in its report on the state of education at MIT that "the Institute is widely conceived as basically a vocational school"

Every school started small and local.
What matters is today.

+1

The but it WAS....it USED TO BE, etc.. need to get a grip.

It was! I know some fascinating stories about MIT alum and how they paid for school just before that era.

I think Mason might be what OP is thinking of?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sockpuppet from the last three comments needs to better time their posts to be more convincing.

They boost NEU like it’s there job

LOL OP gets paid a nickel for each time they use that word.

DELICIOUS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP started this thread to troll. I am wondering if OP is more proud or less proud that this has droned on for 43 pages?

I would be embarrassed if I was OP. Not only by the number of pages, but by being so obviously offended by all that is Northeastern, and drawing out their rejection by 43 pages.

OP basically just had a 43 page hissy fit temper tantrum. And it is DELICIOUS!

Or how about the more likely scenario - OP is a parent with a legitimate question and weird booster person dragged this out by attacking anyone who disagrees that NEU is not the best school ever.

You love that word! So funny! Actually, I don't know of anyone who would start a disingenuous thread about a school and continue to troll it if they were not flat out rejected.

You know what my word of the moment is? DELICIOUS. OP's troll post and anger about a school that rejected him is DELICIOUS.

You need to lay off that second glass of wine lady.

Oh wow, are you attacking someone personally? Gee, I hope not. That would not be very smart.

Are you really wondering why NEU said no to you? Still? Yikes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

Northeastern was not a commuter school in 1996. Maybe in 1956 - I actually know someone who attended during that time. NEU was always a top engineering school and still is. In fact, BU has always been a commuter school, and MIT and Harvard both started as commuter schools.

It is not as if any of those are commuter schools current day, such as Mason.

Did you even read the article? https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

"In 1996, Richard Freeland looked across the sea of crumbling parking lots that was Northeastern University and saw an opportunity few others could. As the school’s new president, he had inherited a third-tier, blue-collar, commuter-based university whose defining campus feature was a collection of modest utilitarian buildings south of Huntington Avenue, with a sprinkling of newly planted trees."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

Northeastern was not a commuter school in 1996. Maybe in 1956 - I actually know someone who attended during that time. NEU was always a top engineering school and still is. In fact, BU has always been a commuter school, and MIT and Harvard both started as commuter schools.

It is not as if any of those are commuter schools current day, such as Mason.

Did you even read the article? https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

"In 1996, Richard Freeland looked across the sea of crumbling parking lots that was Northeastern University and saw an opportunity few others could. As the school’s new president, he had inherited a third-tier, blue-collar, commuter-based university whose defining campus feature was a collection of modest utilitarian buildings south of Huntington Avenue, with a sprinkling of newly planted trees."

I am telling you, it might make for a good story for those who don't know any better - but it was not primarily a commuter school in 1996. Yes, it sounds much better to read as a rags to riches story, I will give it that. It even provides fodder for OP and those like them. What else would they do with their time, if not come to an anonymous board to pout about a school that rejected them for obvious reasons?