Barbie trailer

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone bummed they didn’t get together in the end?

I think they missed an opportunity for Barbie to realize how self-centered she was in terms of taking Ken for granted.

No, not at all bummed. “True love” isn’t the only answer to having a fulfilling life. Ken was an abusive stalker. He shouldn’t be rewarded for that. Barbie should have apologized and did, but she doesn’t owe him a relationship.

Huh? He was just an airhead dud.

And Barbie was a valid, self-centered, materialistic twit who completely lacked any awareness. But she seemingly grew throughout the movie…so why couldn’t his character grow?

He can, and did, I think. Doesn’t mean she should be his girlfriend.

+1. My daughter had a very good male friend who started seeing her as more than a friend about 6 months ago. She was honest with him that she did not return the feelings and they stayed very close. Recently he blew up at her and ended their friendship because (I kid you not) “she should have changed her mind by now.”

No one owes another person romantic feelings, even if that person is a wonderful friend. I think it was really important they didn’t get together and for Ken to understand that simply being someone’s friend or liking them obligated them to one day feel more.

I had a male best friend for six years who did the same thing. Doesn’t make him abusive. He was in love with me. He dated other women but always hoped I’d change my mind. He got pretty upset with me one night. It was pretty upsetting. And he was angry but he wasn’t harmful to me.

Life went on and we married other people. He’s a wonderful person and father of three. Not an abusive jerk.

I’ve been happily married 16 years. My husband and I saw Barbie together. We felt pretty sad that they chose for Barbie and Ken to not end up together. Felt like it it was a missed moment to show how men and women can develop understanding and evolve together.

Not really surprising though. This was made by Gerwig and Baumbach. I generally find both of their movies and takes on romantic relationships insufferable.

Putting Barbie and Ken together would have ruined the entire movie. Barbie was adamant that she did not feel that way about Ken. Honestly he probably only had feelings for her because he based his whole "life" on her. Idk, I really hate when movies feel the need to force a relationship as if the only happy ending is a partnered one. This seems a very old fashioned way of thinking that women need a man. Maybe Barbie is gay... she did like having girls night every night ;)
Barbie got her happy ending and Ken probably got his own in Barbieland.

Agreed. They were barely friends. No need for her to abruptly love him.

He was a hilarious character, but clearly the embodiment of how girls play with dolls. Ken gets thrown in the box with the Breyer horses 90% of the time. Barbie may be a caricature but at least the girls are invested in her and draw her out. Ken isn't an equal he's an accessory (and a low value one). Nothing wrong with little girls inhabiting that reality, so of course Barbie doesn't take him. As a girl emerges from that world, no need for baggage. At the middle school in the real world, there are also no guys (with lines).

LOL When I was a kid and playing with a friend, her mom would make her little brother play with us. So she'd give him Ken, tell him Ken is going camping, take him to the backyard. So we could keep doing what we wanted with Barbies aka the main characters.

OK that's hilarious.
There's probably a Ken in Barbie land not "Beaching" and out in the woods somewhere.

LOL his job is "camp"

I love this. The whole camp vibe was so much fun.

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But a lot of the movie is actually quite layered and thoughtful. For example, Allan is coded as queer. He doesn’t fit in with the Barbies; he doesn’t fit in with the Kens. But as a white man, he benefits from the patriarchy and is complicit in upholding it. His initial rebellion is just to flee, but he finally decides to act as an ally. Underneath that very funny spade fight scene is a nuanced look at one aspect of patriarchy.

Overt propaganda is not good art though. You’re making my point for me. Gerwig’s other movies are much more nuanced, politically complex (not “all cis men bad,” “men control 100 percent of all corporate boards,” etc), and just not as bland overall.

I think you’re taking a position without wanting to dig into some of the nuance, and without stepping back and realizing how significant it is that people are even having these conversations about Barbie

I think your standards for Gerwig are impossibly high, and wonder if you apply them to every film and director, but let’s agree to disagree. Many of us find a lot of complexity and enjoyment in the movie, and surely that’s okay, just as you find it bland and disappointing.

No one can argue with the data, though: by the numbers, Gerwig has made an extremely successful movie, and reached a milestone for women directors.

I can assure you if Joel Coen or Wes Anderson made a Super Mario Bros movie that was bad compared to every other one of their movies but made them $1B I would have the same opinion.

And Greta Gerwig has the talent to be on that level considering how good her first two movies were. Ladybird and Little Women aren’t as good as Rushmore, but they are better combined than Rushmore and Bottle Rocket. They’re better combined than Blood Simple and Raising Arizona as well. She was already successful and making really good films that were commercially and artistically successful. No need to sell out like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone bummed they didn’t get together in the end?

I think they missed an opportunity for Barbie to realize how self-centered she was in terms of taking Ken for granted.

No, not at all bummed. “True love” isn’t the only answer to having a fulfilling life. Ken was an abusive stalker. He shouldn’t be rewarded for that. Barbie should have apologized and did, but she doesn’t owe him a relationship.

Huh? He was just an airhead dud.

And Barbie was a valid, self-centered, materialistic twit who completely lacked any awareness. But she seemingly grew throughout the movie…so why couldn’t his character grow?

He can, and did, I think. Doesn’t mean she should be his girlfriend.

+1. My daughter had a very good male friend who started seeing her as more than a friend about 6 months ago. She was honest with him that she did not return the feelings and they stayed very close. Recently he blew up at her and ended their friendship because (I kid you not) “she should have changed her mind by now.”

No one owes another person romantic feelings, even if that person is a wonderful friend. I think it was really important they didn’t get together and for Ken to understand that simply being someone’s friend or liking them obligated them to one day feel more.

I had a male best friend for six years who did the same thing. Doesn’t make him abusive. He was in love with me. He dated other women but always hoped I’d change my mind. He got pretty upset with me one night. It was pretty upsetting. And he was angry but he wasn’t harmful to me.

Life went on and we married other people. He’s a wonderful person and father of three. Not an abusive jerk.

I’ve been happily married 16 years. My husband and I saw Barbie together. We felt pretty sad that they chose for Barbie and Ken to not end up together. Felt like it it was a missed moment to show how men and women can develop understanding and evolve together.

Not really surprising though. This was made by Gerwig and Baumbach. I generally find both of their movies and takes on romantic relationships insufferable.

Putting Barbie and Ken together would have ruined the entire movie. Barbie was adamant that she did not feel that way about Ken. Honestly he probably only had feelings for her because he based his whole "life" on her. Idk, I really hate when movies feel the need to force a relationship as if the only happy ending is a partnered one. This seems a very old fashioned way of thinking that women need a man. Maybe Barbie is gay... she did like having girls night every night ;)
Barbie got her happy ending and Ken probably got his own in Barbieland.

Agreed. They were barely friends. No need for her to abruptly love him.

He was a hilarious character, but clearly the embodiment of how girls play with dolls. Ken gets thrown in the box with the Breyer horses 90% of the time. Barbie may be a caricature but at least the girls are invested in her and draw her out. Ken isn't an equal he's an accessory (and a low value one). Nothing wrong with little girls inhabiting that reality, so of course Barbie doesn't take him. As a girl emerges from that world, no need for baggage. At the middle school in the real world, there are also no guys (with lines).

LOL When I was a kid and playing with a friend, her mom would make her little brother play with us. So she'd give him Ken, tell him Ken is going camping, take him to the backyard. So we could keep doing what we wanted with Barbies aka the main characters.

OK that's hilarious.
There's probably a Ken in Barbie land not "Beaching" and out in the woods somewhere.

LOL his job is "camp"

I love this. The whole camp vibe was so much fun.

PP, someone may think we mean summer camp :lol:

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But a lot of the movie is actually quite layered and thoughtful. For example, Allan is coded as queer. He doesn’t fit in with the Barbies; he doesn’t fit in with the Kens. But as a white man, he benefits from the patriarchy and is complicit in upholding it. His initial rebellion is just to flee, but he finally decides to act as an ally. Underneath that very funny spade fight scene is a nuanced look at one aspect of patriarchy.

Overt propaganda is not good art though. You’re making my point for me. Gerwig’s other movies are much more nuanced, politically complex (not “all cis men bad,” “men control 100 percent of all corporate boards,” etc), and just not as bland overall.

I think you’re taking a position without wanting to dig into some of the nuance, and without stepping back and realizing how significant it is that people are even having these conversations about Barbie

I think your standards for Gerwig are impossibly high, and wonder if you apply them to every film and director, but let’s agree to disagree. Many of us find a lot of complexity and enjoyment in the movie, and surely that’s okay, just as you find it bland and disappointing.

No one can argue with the data, though: by the numbers, Gerwig has made an extremely successful movie, and reached a milestone for women directors.

I can assure you if Joel Coen or Wes Anderson made a Super Mario Bros movie that was bad compared to every other one of their movies but made them $1B I would have the same opinion.

And Greta Gerwig has the talent to be on that level considering how good her first two movies were. Ladybird and Little Women aren’t as good as Rushmore, but they are better combined than Rushmore and Bottle Rocket. They’re better combined than Blood Simple and Raising Arizona as well. She was already successful and making really good films that were commercially and artistically successful. No need to sell out like this.

When the idea of “selling out” enters the thread, the idea of thoughtful conversation makes a forced exit. Let’s just agree to disagree

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The movie was so stupid!

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I didn't see Barbie until today and hadn't previously looked at this thread because I didn't want to read any spoilers. Wow. I have to say, I'm amused by how heated the discussion has been. Barbie's touched a nerve haha! It's interesting to read all of the strong reactions on here.

I liked it and thought it was funny and clever while also being heavy handed at times. All of the actors did well with the parts they were given-particularly Ryan Gosling who I thought was very comical. I loved the "I'm Just Ken" song and the rendition of "Push" with Ryan and all of the Kens on the beach.

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The movie was so incredibly bad and boring I actually fell asleep.

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Saw it today. It was a fun movie. Really liked Robbie and Gosling.

I don't normally go to movies but was invited by a friend. I thought it was worth the time.

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I thought it was just okay, until it picked up in the end. It was just too on the nose for me. And, then she ends it by having Barbie go to the gynecologist?!$&@! C’mon, at least follow the thread. I mean yay for vaginas, but it was a let down (even though I understand it was meant to be humorous).

Ryan Gosling was fantastic.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it was just okay, until it picked up in the end. It was just too on the nose for me. And, then she ends it by having Barbie go to the gynecologist?!$&@! C’mon, at least follow the thread. I mean yay for vaginas, but it was a let down (even though I understand it was meant to be humorous).

Ryan Gosling was fantastic.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it was just okay, until it picked up in the end. It was just too on the nose for me. And, then she ends it by having Barbie go to the gynecologist?!$&@! C’mon, at least follow the thread. I mean yay for vaginas, but it was a let down (even though I understand it was meant to be humorous).

Ryan Gosling was fantastic.

I thought the gynecologist bit was well done. An indication that she had actually changed.

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I didn’t love it. I am a life long feminist snd found it too preachy (not that I disagreed with the points, it was just too clunky and not what I go to the movies for.) There were definitely funny parts though.

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Flop.

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Anonymous wrote:The movie was so incredibly bad and boring I actually fell asleep.

I didn’t love the movie but boring is not a word I would have used to describe it. It was like manic at all times except for the scenes with the older ladies.

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This movie sucked.

Yeah, we get it. Men bad. Men dumb. Down with patriarchy. I almost wanted to stick a pen in my ears to rupture my ear drums after hearing the word 'patriarchy' for the 1000000th time.

Lol, my wife actually liked Ken the most and couldn't stand any of the female characters, which I don't think the movie intended. All of my female cousins were even eyerolling at the way they portrayed every make character. They didn't like the movie at all.