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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]But a lot of the movie is actually quite layered and thoughtful. For example, Allan is coded as queer. He doesn’t fit in with the Barbies; he doesn’t fit in with the Kens. But as a white man, he benefits from the patriarchy and is complicit in upholding it. His initial rebellion is just to flee, but he finally decides to act as an ally. Underneath that very funny spade fight scene is a nuanced look at one aspect of patriarchy. [/quote]

Overt propaganda is not good art though. You’re making my point for me. Gerwig’s other movies are much more nuanced, politically complex (not “all cis men bad,” “men control 100 percent of all corporate boards,” etc), and just not as bland overall.[/quote]

I think you’re taking a position without wanting to dig into some of the nuance, and without stepping back and realizing how significant it is that people are even having these conversations about Barbie :)

[b]I think your standards for Gerwig are impossibly high, and wonder if you apply them to every film and director, but let’s agree to disagree. Many of us find a lot of complexity and enjoyment in the movie, and surely that’s okay, just as you find it bland and disappointing.[/b]

No one can argue with the data, though: by the numbers, Gerwig has made an extremely successful movie, and reached a milestone for women directors. [/quote]

I can assure you if Joel Coen or Wes Anderson made a Super Mario Bros movie that was bad compared to every other one of their movies but made them $1B I would have the same opinion.

And Greta Gerwig has the talent to be on that level considering how good her first two movies were. Ladybird and Little Women aren’t as good as Rushmore, but they are better combined than Rushmore and Bottle Rocket. They’re better combined than Blood Simple and Raising Arizona as well. She was already successful and making really good films that were commercially and artistically successful. No need to sell out like this. [/quote]

When the idea of “selling out” enters the thread, the idea of thoughtful conversation makes a forced exit. Let’s just agree to disagree :)[/quote]

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