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DH and I met when we were already older/established and brought many friends to the relationship. He has a longstanding (like 17 years) female friend who has/had been the closest person in his life for a long time, along with her husband and child eventually. He was a third wheel, babysitter, and I think even the guy who makes you feel better about her own life because he was alone and she had a family. When we met she was at first welcoming, but then became more tentative. I heard from other friends that she feels intimidated and judged by people she admires, so weirdly pulls away from them and ditches them as friends. Other friends thought that she might be doing that with me. I also started getting the feeling that even though I tried to invite her to everything and blend all of our lives in a fun way, she didn't like that DH was less available to her and maybe even got a nostalgic/regretful feeling that he would have been a better husband than hers (though they never dated).
She's been a very sad person, I suppose depressed or at least feeling victimized and like she doesn't like her life, lately. I've never really understood why she is negative about everything, but she is. She's negative about her child, negative about her job, negative about her financial situation (which is actually quite stable), negative about her husband, negative about never getting and time to herself to do what she wants, negative, negative, negative. I feel for her and have tried to be a sympathetic ear, though I've found that she freezes up and rejects me if I offer a solution (like getting a babysitter or letting her kid come to our house for a few hours). So I stopped doing that. Lately she's been getting so hostile that I've tried to avoid social situations with her. I got a new part-time job that I'm happy about, starting pretty soon, and she's made some negative comments about wishing she could but having chosen her new house and being "stuck." Well, I was at her house this weekend with a large group of mutual friends and one asked me when I was changing schedules. She jumps up and pipes in that it would be great if SHE could stay at home but SHE didn't marry the right person (her husband was next to me, slack-jawed) and that her friend told her long ago that if she married her husband SHE would have to "work" for the rest of her life, but I don't. That would already be embarrassing, but it was even moreso because she happens to know that I actually am going to work, just part-time, and taking care of my kid after part-time work actually is work too. We actually have LESS money than they do. Our decision to try this wasn't because we have so much more and can afford it more easily, but because we decided that a cut in money would pay dividends in happiness and quality of life. She knows all of these things because we described my new work situation in detail and they are close enough to know my DH's salary and the cost of our house etc. Finally, she said in front of a bunch of other people that I have this opportunity because I married well (as in, financially, but I actually married someone who makes less than she does) and that she doesn't because she married her own husband (who was right there). Well, her husband felt like crap, I felt like crap, and everyone there could have gotten the impression that she wants my DH and we're in some sick triangle. And for my ego, well-- I got this opportunity by working my butt off for many years and working up the courage to assert my value to an employer and demand this for myself. And it worked! So I was livid. But I didn't say anything. As bad as she made me feel, I didn't want to call her out in her own home in front of people, so I took one for the team. My DH was there and he was upset but I couldn't even muster the guts to tell him what a jerk I think his so-called friend is. So instead I called my best friend and bitched up a storm to blow off steam. Of course DH heard it, and was sad. Not because I wasn't right-- he is really pissed. But it was hard to hear his wife rip this old friend a new one-- maybe especially since she so has it coming. I'm not sure why it makes me so sad. Maybe because there were so many people there. Maybe because I've spent so long trying to be patient with this person so that my DH doesn't lose out on a pre-existing friendship that matters to him. Maybe my ego is wounded. But I can't go back there. Really. So now if he wants to, he's solo. And that makes me sad too. I usually get along with people. And the thing is, I DID marry really well. I married the best guy ever, and he is loyal to me but wants to keep ties with someone important to him. He is that good of a person that he could comfort me and agree to talk to her about it and really want us both to be happy. I hate taking away the family togetherness we were all trying to have, but I don't want to be there any more, and after all of this time I can honestly say that it's not only that she's a sad person in need of support-- she's someone I just don't like, and don't care to know. The thought of saying that to DH makes me really sad too. He would understand completely but be so disappointed that we can't all be friends. Ugh. |
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Say to DH, look, I feel like so-and-so is acting really weird lately. Any clue why?
And start a conversation with your husband. Because you, he, and your relationship are what matter most here. Work out where you stand about this woman and the pieces will fall into place better. This is one of those couple decisions, IMO. Best to show a united front on whatever decision you make. |
| OP, you kind of sound like a jerk. I don't believe that "your ego is hurt." |
| You gave so many details and didn't need to bother...your husband's relationship with this woman is inappropriate. I'm not sure what he's getting out of it emotionally, but it's filling some co-dependent need for both of them. He should step up and be your husband and partner first and foremost, but he's not. See a counselor, with or without him. |
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OP - I don't know the woman and I don't like her. Ignore any negative toward you on this post. If you are not comfortable, plan around her if you have to in order to avoid the toxic. You need to set up a peaceful life with you and your new family. She resents you. Avoid her like the plague she is. I dont think confronting someone like this will do any good, she'll just "deflect and deny" (hard to believe, I know - LOL!). Good luck. It's no fun to have toxic people trying to triangulate between you and DH. And any strong marriage could use marriage counseling, if you (and your family!) need an ally. She doesn't need to know your business. Be strong. |
| I agree that your husband just should not allow this kind of behavior. Friendships change and it sounds like it is time to move on until her counseling sessions are done. |
This is OP: my husband was very mad at her and offered to talk to her for me/ for us to tell her that it was not okay. I said that it was fine to do so but really do not want to cause some kind of war. There is NOT an inappropriate relationship between them. He never calls her or gets together with her without me, and all we've done is have family plans with both spouses present. He was pretty weirded out and I know that he plans to step up. We had a good and honest talk about it after I talked to my girlfriend. It's a good marriage, eyes wide open. But the fact that he's being supportive and appropriate does not mean I'm happy about this rift in an old friendship, or about my feeling that I just don't want to be with people who have been a huge part of his life-- even if he decides that he doesn't either. If this friendship is over because she's jealous of me, that sort of makes me Yoko even if I tried not to be, and even though DH did nothing inappropriate. Maybe I think that it's a big deal because I value friendships so much. Can't imagine what I'd do if a friend of mine disliked DH and treated him poorly. I'd draw the line but miss them very much. |
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Here's my take:
It doesn't matter who you are, you could have been Grace Kelly and she would still dislike you. She liked being the "head" woman in his life. I bet she had all kinds of crazy control over him prior to you. She probably influenced who he dated (probably even got rid of a few she didn't like) and controlled his time (as evidenced by the babysitting). She resents the fact she no longer has these controls. It is not that she has the hots for him, so much as he was always at her beck-and-call. The best thing: you and your husband should put some distance between her and the two of you. I don't think it is wise for your husband to continue seeing her when you are not around. Not so much as I think he will cheat, *but* I think she could try and put a wedge between the two of you. Sadly, she is in danger of ruining her own marriage. I sort of speak from experience as I was her in HS with my best friend (male). Not as extreme and I certainly never embarrassed any of his girlfriends, but I exerted a lot of power over him. This is not something I'm proud of. |
| This post makes me really uncomfortable for all the people involved. Maybe it's the age of fb, twitter, and so called anonymous boards, but what is up w/ all the "oversharing" of people's lives these days? OP-I would be really offended if my spouse wrote about me and my friendships in the intimate details you have put here. |
agreed. you posted too much. |
Are you OP's DH's friend? |
| I wasn't at the party and have no idea how this went down, but sometimes people get keyed up and anxious at parties and say goofy things because they are trying to be bright and breezy and it doesn't come off well. Why not cut her some slack? Or, if you are really super charged up about it, just give her a call and talk to her and say you're concerned about her and worried that there's a lot of tension between her and her husband...did she mean to sound so nasty toward him? Or alternatively...ask your DH if you can drop the friendship and not see her anymore. It seems to me those are the alternatives. Since she's not your friend, I wouldn't waste a lot of time worrying about the whole thing. I don't think she really did anything purposely mean to you. |
| OMG! another novella! |
| One of my two best friends is also a guy, for the same amount of time (we're both married to other people). Truly, if they have been that close, he should be able to talk with her about what's bothering her and the inappropriateness of her comments - but really focus on her and her relationship with her husband. Also, he can suss out if there are feelings for him that he should nip in the bud. He should NOT mention you or your feelings. Really, this has nothing to do with you, esp if there is no inappropriate relationship, and it doesn't sound like there is. She might still think it's coming from you, but that's her problem, not yours. As a friend, he needs to talk to her. |
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You know what - she would not have been happy if she married DH, FYI. She wouldn't be happy no matter what. She has a lot of problems. |