FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the outlook for western Great Falls? I haven’t kept up with the debate, but I recall there was concern that homes west of Springvale could be rezoned to Herndon HS. At this point, how likely is that?

If they do move all those kids to Herndon, they would go with a bunch of their friends.

And leave a lot of their friends behind. We know you’re incapable of seeing this as a hit to mental health, but we all see it for what it is.

So what you're saying is that feeder schools are bad for our kids' mental health and each pyramid should be static with no split feeders. Your argument is that leaving friends behind is bad for their mental health. I agree. We don't want any kids to have to leave their friends behind. So, any movement in that direction will require boundary adjustment. It will be unfortunate for some kids in the present. But, assuming more split feeders are removed than created or maintained, it will be for the greater good. Clearly you see that is the logical conclusion of your argument.

And there you go again, impacting the mental health of current students for some future theoretical gain. I volunteer your kids and Sandy Anderson’s kids (assuming you aren’t Sandy, which, to be fair, I have my suspicions that you’re one and the same) be moved first. Pick a school nearby.

Didn’t think so. You aren’t going to convince us that your right, because you aren’t.

You literally said that moving your kids from one school to another with a bunch of their friends is bad for their mental health. Yet you're unwilling to extend that to kids in split feeders who do so on a yearly basis? Are you capable of not being entitled? Of understanding the shortcomings of your position? You can call me Sandy all you want. You are clearly a Karen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the outlook for western Great Falls? I haven’t kept up with the debate, but I recall there was concern that homes west of Springvale could be rezoned to Herndon HS. At this point, how likely is that?

If they do move all those kids to Herndon, they would go with a bunch of their friends.

And leave a lot of their friends behind. We know you’re incapable of seeing this as a hit to mental health, but we all see it for what it is.

So what you're saying is that feeder schools are bad for our kids' mental health and each pyramid should be static with no split feeders. Your argument is that leaving friends behind is bad for their mental health. I agree. We don't want any kids to have to leave their friends behind. So, any movement in that direction will require boundary adjustment. It will be unfortunate for some kids in the present. But, assuming more split feeders are removed than created or maintained, it will be for the greater good. Clearly you see that is the logical conclusion of your argument.

There is a difference between a split feeder where kids feed to different schools at junctures where kids typically are arriving from multiple schools and receptive to making new friends (7th grade, 9th grade) and uprooting a bunch of kids already at their current schools to dump them into new schools because someone decided there shouldn't be a split feeder any longer.

Anyway, you're making your "point" in the context of a discussion as to whether western GF is going to be rezoned to Herndon. Right now there is zero indication that is happening this cycle, so you're kind of playing with yourself here.

[Anonymous]

Our kids did not have much of an adjustment leaving their split feeder.

I think it’s because:
1. The split was 60-40
2. The kids knew early on who was in what area and had been like that for decades
3. The split boundary was over a main road which has lots of commercial property.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the outlook for western Great Falls? I haven’t kept up with the debate, but I recall there was concern that homes west of Springvale could be rezoned to Herndon HS. At this point, how likely is that?

If they do move all those kids to Herndon, they would go with a bunch of their friends.

And leave a lot of their friends behind. We know you’re incapable of seeing this as a hit to mental health, but we all see it for what it is.

So what you're saying is that feeder schools are bad for our kids' mental health and each pyramid should be static with no split feeders. Your argument is that leaving friends behind is bad for their mental health. I agree. We don't want any kids to have to leave their friends behind. So, any movement in that direction will require boundary adjustment. It will be unfortunate for some kids in the present. But, assuming more split feeders are removed than created or maintained, it will be for the greater good. Clearly you see that is the logical conclusion of your argument.

There is a difference between a split feeder where kids feed to different schools at junctures where kids typically are arriving from multiple schools and receptive to making new friends (7th grade, 9th grade) and uprooting a bunch of kids already at their current schools to dump them into new schools because someone decided there shouldn't be a split feeder any longer.

Anyway, you're making your "point" in the context of a discussion as to whether western GF is going to be rezoned to Herndon. Right now there is zero indication that is happening this cycle, so you're kind of playing with yourself here.

Admittedly, my kids are at no risk of switching schools. When we purchased our house, we did so in a neighborhood which is not now at risk. That said, it doesmt matter about the juncture at which the split feeding happens.

Kids should have the opportunity to continue with all their friends throughout their schooling. I do think there's something traumatic and destabilizing about losing a best friend because they're being shipped off to another school in 7th grade or 9th grade or whenever. I'm not playing with myself here. I'm advocating for the children in our communities. Let's maintain as much stability for them as we can. That means get rid of split feeders. I also see the harm in attendance Islands. Let's let kids live as close to their peers as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the outlook for western Great Falls? I haven’t kept up with the debate, but I recall there was concern that homes west of Springvale could be rezoned to Herndon HS. At this point, how likely is that?

If they do move all those kids to Herndon, they would go with a bunch of their friends.

And leave a lot of their friends behind. We know you’re incapable of seeing this as a hit to mental health, but we all see it for what it is.

So what you're saying is that feeder schools are bad for our kids' mental health and each pyramid should be static with no split feeders. Your argument is that leaving friends behind is bad for their mental health. I agree. We don't want any kids to have to leave their friends behind. So, any movement in that direction will require boundary adjustment. It will be unfortunate for some kids in the present. But, assuming more split feeders are removed than created or maintained, it will be for the greater good. Clearly you see that is the logical conclusion of your argument.

There is a difference between a split feeder where kids feed to different schools at junctures where kids typically are arriving from multiple schools and receptive to making new friends (7th grade, 9th grade) and uprooting a bunch of kids already at their current schools to dump them into new schools because someone decided there shouldn't be a split feeder any longer.

Anyway, you're making your "point" in the context of a discussion as to whether western GF is going to be rezoned to Herndon. Right now there is zero indication that is happening this cycle, so you're kind of playing with yourself here.

It’s no use, she’s been at this for over two years now. She is the worst type of person - absolutely on the wrong side of the issue, but believing she is God’s gift to the county and thinks she’s the smartest person here.

No one wants boundary changes, and she’s fighting with all her might to maintain her cognitive dissonance on the issue. Who knows what she could’ve done by now if she had applied herself to a worthwhile pursuit instead of going after our kids.

[Anonymous]

There’s something like fourteen elementary schools that split into middle schools that again split for high school.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s something like fourteen elementary schools that split into middle schools that again split for high school.

I count 13:

Coates
Crossfield
Oak Hill
Brookfield
Cub Run
Columbia
Parklawn
Lemon Road
Stenwood
Vienna
Westbriar
Westgate
Mason Crest

So?

[Anonymous]

And, at least one of them is becoming even more split.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the outlook for western Great Falls? I haven’t kept up with the debate, but I recall there was concern that homes west of Springvale could be rezoned to Herndon HS. At this point, how likely is that?

If they do move all those kids to Herndon, they would go with a bunch of their friends.

And leave a lot of their friends behind. We know you’re incapable of seeing this as a hit to mental health, but we all see it for what it is.

So what you're saying is that feeder schools are bad for our kids' mental health and each pyramid should be static with no split feeders. Your argument is that leaving friends behind is bad for their mental health. I agree. We don't want any kids to have to leave their friends behind. So, any movement in that direction will require boundary adjustment. It will be unfortunate for some kids in the present. But, assuming more split feeders are removed than created or maintained, it will be for the greater good. Clearly you see that is the logical conclusion of your argument.

There is a difference between a split feeder where kids feed to different schools at junctures where kids typically are arriving from multiple schools and receptive to making new friends (7th grade, 9th grade) and uprooting a bunch of kids already at their current schools to dump them into new schools because someone decided there shouldn't be a split feeder any longer.

Anyway, you're making your "point" in the context of a discussion as to whether western GF is going to be rezoned to Herndon. Right now there is zero indication that is happening this cycle, so you're kind of playing with yourself here.

It’s no use, she’s been at this for over two years now. She is the worst type of person - absolutely on the wrong side of the issue, but believing she is God’s gift to the county and thinks she’s the smartest person here.

No one wants boundary changes, and she’s fighting with all her might to maintain her cognitive dissonance on the issue. Who knows what she could’ve done by now if she had applied herself to a worthwhile pursuit instead of going after our kids.

I can guarantee you lots of kids in split feeders desperately want boundary changes so that they can maintain friendships with kids who are going to be shipped off to other schools. Same with kids living in attendance Islands who are unable to find a carpool home from basketball practice or whatever other extra curricular activity because their peers live so far away.

When you say "nobody wants" these changes, you're speaking of yourself and other parents who don't like the changes. You refuse to look at the benefits and how they help the community as a whole because you see them as a threat. The reality is that there are lots of benefits to boundary adjustment.

[Anonymous]

When you say "nobody wants" these changes, you're speaking of yourself and other parents who don't like the changes. You refuse to look at the benefits and how they help the community as a whole because you see them as a threat. The reality is that there are lots of benefits to boundary adjustment.[/quote]

Please give examples. I don't see that they are using the defined goals.

They are creating new attendance islands.
They are creating more egregious split feeders.
They are sending some neighborhoods on much longer commutes.
They are splitting neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the outlook for western Great Falls? I haven’t kept up with the debate, but I recall there was concern that homes west of Springvale could be rezoned to Herndon HS. At this point, how likely is that?

If they do move all those kids to Herndon, they would go with a bunch of their friends.

And leave a lot of their friends behind. We know you’re incapable of seeing this as a hit to mental health, but we all see it for what it is.

So what you're saying is that feeder schools are bad for our kids' mental health and each pyramid should be static with no split feeders. Your argument is that leaving friends behind is bad for their mental health. I agree. We don't want any kids to have to leave their friends behind. So, any movement in that direction will require boundary adjustment. It will be unfortunate for some kids in the present. But, assuming more split feeders are removed than created or maintained, it will be for the greater good. Clearly you see that is the logical conclusion of your argument.

There is a difference between a split feeder where kids feed to different schools at junctures where kids typically are arriving from multiple schools and receptive to making new friends (7th grade, 9th grade) and uprooting a bunch of kids already at their current schools to dump them into new schools because someone decided there shouldn't be a split feeder any longer.

Anyway, you're making your "point" in the context of a discussion as to whether western GF is going to be rezoned to Herndon. Right now there is zero indication that is happening this cycle, so you're kind of playing with yourself here.

It’s no use, she’s been at this for over two years now. She is the worst type of person - absolutely on the wrong side of the issue, but believing she is God’s gift to the county and thinks she’s the smartest person here.

No one wants boundary changes, and she’s fighting with all her might to maintain her cognitive dissonance on the issue. Who knows what she could’ve done by now if she had applied herself to a worthwhile pursuit instead of going after our kids.

I can guarantee you lots of kids in split feeders desperately want boundary changes so that they can maintain friendships with kids who are going to be shipped off to other schools. Same with kids living in attendance Islands who are unable to find a carpool home from basketball practice or whatever other extra curricular activity because their peers live so far away.

When you say "nobody wants" these changes, you're speaking of yourself and other parents who don't like the changes. You refuse to look at the benefits and how they help the community as a whole because you see them as a threat. The reality is that there are lots of benefits to boundary adjustment.

DP. I find this rather contrived. Kids can easily maintain friendships these days when attending different schools. And attendance islands aren’t necessarily far flung. For example, the kids in the Timber Lane attendance island at McLean live about half the distance from McLean that a lot of kids zoned for Langley (which has no islands) live from Langley.

Your tone seems almost desperate - like you’re on retainer to convince people these boundary changes will produce a lot of benefits when the message that FCPS gets over and over again is that most people neither want them nor see the need for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one wants boundary changes, ... blah blah blah.

DP. You keep posting this, but repeating something doesn't make it true. Families in split feeders want boundary changes. They don't want their kids to have to lose their friends either. Why are your kids more important than theirs? They're not. I say fix as many split feeders as they possibly can and plan capacity better in the future to avoid new ones.

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Anonymous wrote:holy shit, the single family homes in timberlane going from longfellow/mclean high to falls church are going to plumet, the neighborhood is livid

https://timberlanemcleanpyramid.com/

I’m skeptical of the 20% comment. The Westwood Park neighborhood is split between Marshall and McLean and there is no McLean premium. The gap to Falls Church is bigger, but it doesn’t make a $1M house $800k.

There's a premium for being zoned to Longfellow/McLean and a discount for being zoned to Timber Lane, so it cancels out. The part of Westwood Park that feeds to Marshall doesn't feed to a Title I elementary school.

GreatSchools (I know, but idiots use it) has Timber Lane as a 5 and Shrevewood as a 3.

GreatSchools is worthless. Timber Lane is probably higher because it has smaller class sizes since it is Title I. Also, Shrevewood no longer has a LLIV class, so all of it's AAP students go to the Center, bringing test scores down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s something like fourteen elementary schools that split into middle schools that again split for high school.

I count 13:

Coates
Crossfield
Oak Hill
Brookfield
Cub Run
Columbia
Parklawn
Lemon Road
Stenwood
Vienna
Westbriar
Westgate
Mason Crest

So?

Yes - for at least Crossfield and Oak Hill, fixing the Middle Schools would have solved the problem. How could they not have touched Carson and Franklin MS? They feed to some of the same high schools and both feed to so many high schools!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one wants boundary changes, ... blah blah blah.

DP. You keep posting this, but repeating something doesn't make it true. Families in split feeders want boundary changes. They don't want their kids to have to lose their friends either. Why are your kids more important than theirs? They're not. I say fix as many split feeders as they possibly can and plan capacity better in the future to avoid new ones.

If there are particular communities that overwhelmingly want to be moved, and there aren’t cascading effects from the potential move, then those are the moves that FCPS should consider.