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Anonymous
I’m speaking to players who are currently Q3/4 and on ECNL rosters. So yes a November 2010 who’s ECNL level will have no problem making an ECNL 2011 team. This is like the tv show What if where we get to see into an alternate universe where thing were different. If they do end up switching to SY we will see if things are indeed different. If 70% of ECNL teams 2-3 years from now are made up of January to July kids then we have the ability to say those kids were just better. But anyone who uses their brain knows it’s because of the age advantage they were given. Which is why soccer went to BY because they wanted to give an advantage to the older players to help them make national teams. |
Anonymous
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ECNL podcast has been shuttling dropping info that I’m not sure if people are noticing. A month or so ago? they had someone talking about England academies and how they are SY and how they compete with other countries teams that are BY and how it works.
So this was foreshadowing the fact that their was never going to be a mandate change but a relaxing of the mandate which would create an ecosystem for clubs choosing various cutoffs and how they would all compete against each other. ECNL president on last podcast even said it wasn’t surprising they didn’t change the mandate for fall 25 and that people? Probably mls/MLSN people are already saying By is better for pro pathway and national teams. So you can tell their is going to be full on turf war fall 26 and will be interesting to see who ends up siding with whom. |
Anonymous
😂 some of our best players are Q1/Q2 too…your point doesn’t make sense. I think the point you’re trying to make supports BY, not SY. |
Anonymous
I was being facetious but you do you |
Anonymous
No |
Anonymous
A kid who is ECNL level is going to make an ECNL team regardless of birth month. This is a dumb take that is categorical. |
Anonymous
After this week’s podcast I’ve realized that the ECNL folks are only listening to people that tell repeat what they want to hear. The UK definitely competes internationally by rejiggering their teams to align with the BY bands, it is not hard to form a team based on the age cutoffs and play-ups, but it isn’t easy and they don’t have great results internationally in youth tournaments. |
Anonymous
There’s only 18 roster spots and if they switch to school year the 11 to 14 kids who are Q1/2 will drop to probably 8 or 9. But what do I know. We will have to wait and find out. Just to understand your stance are you saying if they change ECNL to school year Q1/2 will still make up 70% of current rosters? |
Anonymous
ECNL SY people and BY people all hear what we want to hear. |
Anonymous
I think it'll take more than 2-3 years to see the impact and only after the younger age groups develop. This is because yes the 2010 player joins younger players BUT then the younger players on that team shift down as well. BUT, because of RAE, there are fewer of these players within the existing system. It's not like you're going to see a surge of younger 2010s who never have player soccer before join club and quickly rise up the ranks. I'm sure there players like that BUT they'll be the exception, even in this case. |
Anonymous
We would be able to see something right away. It wouldn’t be a lot because statistically there fewer Q3/4 playing soccer. But we should still see a percentage base slightly start to favor Q3/4 2010 playing with 2011. If RAE is a real thing. |
Anonymous
Wait are you someone that doesn't believe RAE is a real thing? How is that even possible. I'm pretty sure there are science and facts that prove it exists. BY vs SY does nothing to fix or though. Ugh thanks for the ignorant comment are you just doing your part to get to 500? |
Anonymous
At this point, it's more complicated. The younger 2010s would be set up to do better because they likely have more experience and playing against older, likely better competition from the BY system. That said, RAE also suggests that these players likely have been on the bench OR not getting the attention on their current team, so maybe it's a wash. It really depends on the player and where they are at. And this is where things get really tricky beyond pure skill. You might have a player that should dominate for the reasons above BUT doesn't want to play with a younger team and mentally isn't in it. In soccer, it's seen as a big positive to play up or the highest team possible and the reverse would likely be true. That's the sentiment I get when talking with parents about this change. They don't want their kids to play "down" after working years to strive up. They all want to be the exception to stay with the team they've been on. That may change when they get to the trap year BUT not now. |
Anonymous
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People are delusional if they feel RAE is not present in the soccer ecosystem. 5 years in the game, and have seen this first hand with my daughter at tryouts when she was 8 or 9. Have a daughter that is q3 that was placed on the "B" team, that eventually moved up to "A" team after a year and half.
"A" team had better coaching/ training times,better tournament's ect...when inclement weather canceled training "B" team stayed home "A" team moved indoors. 12 of the 14 girls on "A" team were Q1/Q2 with the other 2 being placed because of transion from a competing club in the area. After 2 years I would say most of the "B" team girls either quit soccer all together or choose diffrent sports. Clubs definitely put all these Q1/Q2 girls at a young age on the top team initially because it is harder to evaluate talent at 9 years old. I guess I was naive when this came up on the ECNL podcast over the summer regarding age bias. As the team manager I went though all my game cards from last year and looked at the opposing birthday's of all the teams we played and it was overwhelmingly Q1/Q2 girls we were playing. (Ohio/Michigan ECNL) Yes your kid is given an advantage before they even step on the pitch at 8 years old when they start club due to there age, and given more attention on the "A" at such a young age. |
Anonymous
Great breakdown. BY parents crack me up as they try hard to justify why their January kid is just 'good'. And they can't understand why Q4 kids don't just play up, or practice more or try harder. RAE creeps in deep along a players journey and when ppl say, don't worry, it goes away when they are older....its way too late by then. Thank goodness a correction is coming to align to SY. I just wish it would happen ASAP as my daughter is still at an age where RAE can be rebalanced. And yes, I understand this doesn't solve RAE, it just adjusts it to a different group. But when my daughter is the beneficiary of RAE you won't hear my claiming she is just 'good', you'll hear gratitude from me and my family that my daughter received help on her journey. |