Hilaria Baldwin - At it again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hilaria's mother was in internal medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital. She left the hospital and began a program of holistically treating people (Odyssey Journey). Kathryn was my therapist 2x/week for about a year before I left. I felt she was gunning for a high end clientele (ran the circuit of trying to get into exclusive clubs/gyms in Boston with her Mediterranean diet meal plan and energy medicine colleagues). She had a private practice out of her home in Beacon Hill and after less than one year, my husband said he thought she was detrimental to my psyche. She hired people whom she referred her clients to ("energy medicine gurus/medical intuitives") that were unfit to treat people as they had their own personal issues. Some of Kathryn's approaches were questionable and detrimental and also full of risks. I could go on but don't want to reflect back on that time...I do believe she meant well but her ego made her feel super-human. After 10 months I stopped therapy with her and felt free again. I had some issues to address but I'll never go back to a therapist based on my experience with her. My husband and I had a number of couples therapy sessions with her and at one point he said he never wanted to meet with her again. I agreed. Years later, our marriage is strong, we have a child, and our reflections of Kathryn are sadly similar but we persevered. Just some personal reflections...

Should she even be treating people as a therapist?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She was doing both. She was not trained or licensed in psychiatry. She said that in her practice at MGH she saw a "need" for more holistic approaches to "healing." She preached and pushed and forced her opinions...honestly I didn't feel there was mal intent, it was that she felt that she knew best and it didn't work to have a third person in my marriage. Again, I'll never go back to a therapist given my experience with her.

She had many clients who thought very highly of her and she did help a number of people but some of her work was extremely detrimental...and she wasn't licensed or trained. "Odyssey Journey" was an extremely expensive venture into mind control which she called holistic healing.

Please don’t judge all therapists by this hack you went to. True, trained therapists can be so helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's hard to describe as it was a really vulnerable time for me and I felt like she was trying to make me make the decisions that SHE wanted me to make. My husband and I both felt like there was a third person in our marriage and when I told her that, she didn't feel that was a bad thing.

She was forceful about coming off all medication and big pharma being an evil empire. I get the concept but you can't force people to do things. Same with the Mediterranean diet (dairy is poison) and drinking wine (you have alcoholic tendencies)...everything was so dramatic and when I challenged or pushed back, she would step back and say something alluding to the fact that I could make my own choices and she'd be there when I got sick (liver failure from drinking and being on anti-anxiety meds) or my marriage failed (it's broken, I'll help you fix it). The only thing that describes it accurately is "mind f*ck." It was like she needed to be needed by her clients.

I became very dependent upon her and then my husband and I became uncomfortable with her approaches decided that therapy with her wasn't good for our marriage. We did figure things out and our marriage is strong years later but I will never seek out therapy again. It was a weirdly damaging experience because she never did anything outright "wrong" it was just a slow roll towards strongly influencing/controlling my decision-making by making fearful predictions.

She definitely did referrals to other alternative medicine practitioners. There were 2 practitioners that were truly amazing but there was 1 energy medicine "guru" who had more issues than I did and it was so disturbing.

Even writing this, it doesn't sound so damaging...but for some reason it was for me. One poster made a good point in that anyone can be a "life coach" but I think her being an MD made her feel like she could advise on everything. Boundary issues were the biggest issue for me and I stopped trusting myself to make any decisions until I became "free."

YES! I know someone who went to a therapist (I'll call her Nancy, from the Falls Church area- vague enough). She pracitced the Imago method and she actually tried to break up my friend's marriage. Crazy stuff. Agree, anyone can be a therapist, sadly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we stop with the "you would do it too" argument? First salma hayek saying everyones a liar and now someone in the thread wants to defend alec for scrubbing his socials (conthidder the thorth x12). If i pretended to be spanish id be annoyed it took the general public so long to crucify my ass. I wouldnt "feel attacked", id be like "finally my dumb ass can snap back to reality". these actors have no contact with the world.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who had K as a therapist - I’m sorry. To the above poster attempting to minimise the harm caused to vulnerable and needy patients by bad, lazy, unethical, ill-equipped, untrained, arrogant or boundary crossing therapists - shame on you. The damage from this kind of betrayal can be severe and further delay the patient getting the actual help they need.

This is the poster. And no I won't be shamed. I wasn't minimizing the harm at all. I am sure those types of therapists do great harm. I was pointing out that by exaggerating that it's the same as having your organs cut out of your body is ridiculous and does nothing to evaluate or understand the actual harm. You're not going to shame me for not going along with your hyperbole and hysteria.

[Anonymous]

Coaching in a BS field that is not regulated. You can say you are licensed or certified, but there is no official agency regulating it and ANYONE can legally call themselves a coach.

If Hilaria's mother is not a psychiatrist or licensed psychologist or therapist or social worker, she cannot be doing therapy without a supervisor. it is considered a violation and there is a regulating agency that can punish her.

[Anonymous]

Licensed in Spain?

[Anonymous]

To get License and work as medical practitioner independently or in hospital in Spanish Kingdom, Foreign medical/dental graduates must register with the College of Physicians of the province where they are living in. All Colleges of Physicians of Spain are registered with Organization of Medical Colleges of Spain. They can find the contact details of all provincial colleges of physicians of Spain.

https://www.cgcom.es/

[Anonymous]

https://cgcom.vuds-omc.es

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coaching in a BS field that is not regulated. You can say you are licensed or certified, but there is no official agency regulating it and ANYONE can legally call themselves a coach.

If Hilaria's mother is not a psychiatrist or licensed psychologist or therapist or social worker, she cannot be doing therapy without a supervisor. it is considered a violation and there is a regulating agency that can punish her.

I'm the poster who was in therapy with Kathryn. I would not ever seek retribution in any way, I was just posting that she counseled many, many clients and some found her insight amazing while some found her ethics questionable.
Kathryn set up a group of her clients to meet and see if there was common ground...to form a support group of some sort. It was totally inappropriate as she did not facilitate the group meetings, she just emailed a loose agenda for the group to follow. It was the most dysfunctional situation, yet she charged us all even though she wasn't present. From conversing with the group I do know that she helped a number of women, I also know the other half of the group was totally unnerved by her approaches and boundary issues. It was an example of how, in many ways, her approach was about the financial gain. She was a MGH physician but by leaving the hospital, she was able to privately counsel clients in her home without any downside of insurance claims, oversight or supervision. She took every advantage of being a MD to legitimize her practices.

I only posted to provide insight into how HB's mother clearly had issues. Her approaches were detrimental to me and others...but, to be fair, Kathryn had clients who felt that she "saved" them.

I won't post again as I don't have insight beyond what I've shared. I know Kathryn did a lot of healing in her own life but, in my opinion, she was not healed enough to help others find their way.

[Anonymous]

You (Kathryn's ex patient) sound like a lovely person. I'm glad you shared what you did with such dignity and grace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coaching in a BS field that is not regulated. You can say you are licensed or certified, but there is no official agency regulating it and ANYONE can legally call themselves a coach.

If Hilaria's mother is not a psychiatrist or licensed psychologist or therapist or social worker, she cannot be doing therapy without a supervisor. it is considered a violation and there is a regulating agency that can punish her.

I'm the poster who was in therapy with Kathryn. I would not ever seek retribution in any way, I was just posting that she counseled many, many clients and some found her insight amazing while some found her ethics questionable.
Kathryn set up a group of her clients to meet and see if there was common ground...to form a support group of some sort. It was totally inappropriate as she did not facilitate the group meetings, she just emailed a loose agenda for the group to follow. It was the most dysfunctional situation, yet she charged us all even though she wasn't present. From conversing with the group I do know that she helped a number of women, I also know the other half of the group was totally unnerved by her approaches and boundary issues. It was an example of how, in many ways, her approach was about the financial gain. She was a MGH physician but by leaving the hospital, she was able to privately counsel clients in her home without any downside of insurance claims, oversight or supervision. She took every advantage of being a MD to legitimize her practices.

I only posted to provide insight into how HB's mother clearly had issues. Her approaches were detrimental to me and others...but, to be fair, Kathryn had clients who felt that she "saved" them.

I won't post again as I don't have insight beyond what I've shared. I know Kathryn did a lot of healing in her own life but, in my opinion, she was not healed enough to help others find their way.

Thank you for sharing all of this. It really raises questions about the retreats she and her husband are doing in Spain every few months. I wonder how much money they're making per "client" per day. While it looks like a food/diet/health retreat, when you read deeper, its a form of extended group therapy using body movements and family systems work. It's only about food on the surface and some people are characterizing it as cult-like (which I don't know), but I'm curious to find out more about the cost and what one can expect from these retreats. It seems a little secretive too -- like her Odyssey Journey was so vague, I had wondered what a physician would be providing in concert with other "practitioners." Makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coaching in a BS field that is not regulated. You can say you are licensed or certified, but there is no official agency regulating it and ANYONE can legally call themselves a coach.

If Hilaria's mother is not a psychiatrist or licensed psychologist or therapist or social worker, she cannot be doing therapy without a supervisor. it is considered a violation and there is a regulating agency that can punish her.

I'm the poster who was in therapy with Kathryn. I would not ever seek retribution in any way, I was just posting that she counseled many, many clients and some found her insight amazing while some found her ethics questionable.
Kathryn set up a group of her clients to meet and see if there was common ground...to form a support group of some sort. It was totally inappropriate as she did not facilitate the group meetings, she just emailed a loose agenda for the group to follow. It was the most dysfunctional situation, yet she charged us all even though she wasn't present. From conversing with the group I do know that she helped a number of women, I also know the other half of the group was totally unnerved by her approaches and boundary issues. It was an example of how, in many ways, her approach was about the financial gain. She was a MGH physician but by leaving the hospital, she was able to privately counsel clients in her home without any downside of insurance claims, oversight or supervision. She took every advantage of being a MD to legitimize her practices.

I only posted to provide insight into how HB's mother clearly had issues. Her approaches were detrimental to me and others...but, to be fair, Kathryn had clients who felt that she "saved" them.

I won't post again as I don't have insight beyond what I've shared. I know Kathryn did a lot of healing in her own life but, in my opinion, she was not healed enough to help others find their way.

Wow that is really messed up that she would charge you for a “support group” and not even bother to show up to facilitate.

[Anonymous]

Well, it is not a great surprise that HB has such a creative view of reality if she saw this kind of duplicity practised by her fam.

[Anonymous]

Yet interestingly, her parents haven't even come out publicly to support her claims of Spainville.