Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents had a news conference yesterday. They say they “pleaded with the fellow shopper not to fire his weapon as their son was not a threat.”

“Russell French, who was shot in his chest and abdomen and lost a kidney, said at a news conference Monday that he "begged" Sanchez not to fire. "I told him we had no guns and my son was sick."

Paola French, who was shot in the back and ended up in a coma, said she "was pleading for my son and our lives."

An attorney for the French family, Dale Galipo, said Monday that Kenneth French, who was nonverbal, might have pushed the officer from behind, but the action wasn't an attack, and the French family quickly moved away.

"It certainly does not justify killing someone," Galipo said, adding that Sanchez should face murder or manslaughter charges. The attorney said he's not sure if there was an altercation before the shooting, and urged authorities to release footage from the scene.

But a judge has ordered that videos remain sealed to the public for a year pending an investigation by prosecutors who are deciding whether to file criminal charges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1046726?__twitter_impression=true

All of those people covering up for him should be charged with obstruction of justice.

It is OUTRAGEOUS that they need to "decide" whether to file charges. Courts exist for a reason - let the court decide whether he murdered someone and attempted to murder two others!

How is it even possible that they can decide not to try this case in court? Can a lawyer please explain that to me? Obviously there is enough evidence to make a solid case for a homicide, otherwise they would release the footage and be done with it. How can someone just decide by themselves to not even let the case go to court? Shouldn't that be up to the public and/or the family to insist on their day in court for this?

Not a lawyer but I asked my friend who’s a public defender in LA essentially the same question on FB. Here’s what she said:

“They aren't going to release it, because there is pending civil litigation, not just against Costco, but because the stupid dumb ass killer went off and is claiming that even though he was off duty - he told everyone he was LAPD before he shot. (even though he also claims he had a concussion and was unconscious). So, now, LAPD can be sued. The City of Los Angeles can be sued. The County of Los Angeles can be sued. The County that it happened in, can be sued. Because he couldn't be a real man/person - he brought everyone into this shit - who can now, and is going to be sued... they don't want to release it - because it could impact a potential jury. And because of that pending litigation and because the cities and multiple counties are figuring out how to justify charging this MFer (which should be easy).”

She goes on but the video release would also impact any jurors on a potential criminal trial as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents had a news conference yesterday. They say they “pleaded with the fellow shopper not to fire his weapon as their son was not a threat.”

“Russell French, who was shot in his chest and abdomen and lost a kidney, said at a news conference Monday that he "begged" Sanchez not to fire. "I told him we had no guns and my son was sick."

Paola French, who was shot in the back and ended up in a coma, said she "was pleading for my son and our lives."

An attorney for the French family, Dale Galipo, said Monday that Kenneth French, who was nonverbal, might have pushed the officer from behind, but the action wasn't an attack, and the French family quickly moved away.

"It certainly does not justify killing someone," Galipo said, adding that Sanchez should face murder or manslaughter charges. The attorney said he's not sure if there was an altercation before the shooting, and urged authorities to release footage from the scene.

But a judge has ordered that videos remain sealed to the public for a year pending an investigation by prosecutors who are deciding whether to file criminal charges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1046726?__twitter_impression=true

All of those people covering up for him should be charged with obstruction of justice.

It is OUTRAGEOUS that they need to "decide" whether to file charges. Courts exist for a reason - let the court decide whether he murdered someone and attempted to murder two others!

How is it even possible that they can decide not to try this case in court? Can a lawyer please explain that to me? Obviously there is enough evidence to make a solid case for a homicide, otherwise they would release the footage and be done with it. How can someone just decide by themselves to not even let the case go to court? Shouldn't that be up to the public and/or the family to insist on their day in court for this?

Not a lawyer but I asked my friend who’s a public defender in LA essentially the same question on FB. Here’s what she said:

“They aren't going to release it, because there is pending civil litigation, not just against Costco, but because the stupid dumb ass killer went off and is claiming that even though he was off duty - he told everyone he was LAPD before he shot. (even though he also claims he had a concussion and was unconscious). So, now, LAPD can be sued. The City of Los Angeles can be sued. The County of Los Angeles can be sued. The County that it happened in, can be sued. Because he couldn't be a real man/person - he brought everyone into this shit - who can now, and is going to be sued... they don't want to release it - because it could impact a potential jury. And because of that pending litigation and because the cities and multiple counties are figuring out how to justify charging this MFer (which should be easy).”

She goes on but the video release would also impact any jurors on a potential criminal trial as well.

So how long do they need to figure out how to charge this guy? This is such a horrifying story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents had a news conference yesterday. They say they “pleaded with the fellow shopper not to fire his weapon as their son was not a threat.”

“Russell French, who was shot in his chest and abdomen and lost a kidney, said at a news conference Monday that he "begged" Sanchez not to fire. "I told him we had no guns and my son was sick."

Paola French, who was shot in the back and ended up in a coma, said she "was pleading for my son and our lives."

An attorney for the French family, Dale Galipo, said Monday that Kenneth French, who was nonverbal, might have pushed the officer from behind, but the action wasn't an attack, and the French family quickly moved away.

"It certainly does not justify killing someone," Galipo said, adding that Sanchez should face murder or manslaughter charges. The attorney said he's not sure if there was an altercation before the shooting, and urged authorities to release footage from the scene.

But a judge has ordered that videos remain sealed to the public for a year pending an investigation by prosecutors who are deciding whether to file criminal charges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1046726?__twitter_impression=true

All of those people covering up for him should be charged with obstruction of justice.

It is OUTRAGEOUS that they need to "decide" whether to file charges. Courts exist for a reason - let the court decide whether he murdered someone and attempted to murder two others!

How is it even possible that they can decide not to try this case in court? Can a lawyer please explain that to me? Obviously there is enough evidence to make a solid case for a homicide, otherwise they would release the footage and be done with it. How can someone just decide by themselves to not even let the case go to court? Shouldn't that be up to the public and/or the family to insist on their day in court for this?

Not a lawyer but I asked my friend who’s a public defender in LA essentially the same question on FB. Here’s what she said:

“They aren't going to release it, because there is pending civil litigation, not just against Costco, but because the stupid dumb ass killer went off and is claiming that even though he was off duty - he told everyone he was LAPD before he shot. (even though he also claims he had a concussion and was unconscious). So, now, LAPD can be sued. The City of Los Angeles can be sued. The County of Los Angeles can be sued. The County that it happened in, can be sued. Because he couldn't be a real man/person - he brought everyone into this shit - who can now, and is going to be sued... they don't want to release it - because it could impact a potential jury. And because of that pending litigation and because the cities and multiple counties are figuring out how to justify charging this MFer (which should be easy).”

She goes on but the video release would also impact any jurors on a potential criminal trial as well.

She sounds like a very competent lawyer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents had a news conference yesterday. They say they “pleaded with the fellow shopper not to fire his weapon as their son was not a threat.”

“Russell French, who was shot in his chest and abdomen and lost a kidney, said at a news conference Monday that he "begged" Sanchez not to fire. "I told him we had no guns and my son was sick."

Paola French, who was shot in the back and ended up in a coma, said she "was pleading for my son and our lives."

An attorney for the French family, Dale Galipo, said Monday that Kenneth French, who was nonverbal, might have pushed the officer from behind, but the action wasn't an attack, and the French family quickly moved away.

"It certainly does not justify killing someone," Galipo said, adding that Sanchez should face murder or manslaughter charges. The attorney said he's not sure if there was an altercation before the shooting, and urged authorities to release footage from the scene.

But a judge has ordered that videos remain sealed to the public for a year pending an investigation by prosecutors who are deciding whether to file criminal charges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1046726?__twitter_impression=true

All of those people covering up for him should be charged with obstruction of justice.

It is OUTRAGEOUS that they need to "decide" whether to file charges. Courts exist for a reason - let the court decide whether he murdered someone and attempted to murder two others!

How is it even possible that they can decide not to try this case in court? Can a lawyer please explain that to me? Obviously there is enough evidence to make a solid case for a homicide, otherwise they would release the footage and be done with it. How can someone just decide by themselves to not even let the case go to court? Shouldn't that be up to the public and/or the family to insist on their day in court for this?

Not a lawyer but I asked my friend who’s a public defender in LA essentially the same question on FB. Here’s what she said:

“They aren't going to release it, because there is pending civil litigation, not just against Costco, but because the stupid dumb ass killer went off and is claiming that even though he was off duty - he told everyone he was LAPD before he shot. (even though he also claims he had a concussion and was unconscious). So, now, LAPD can be sued. The City of Los Angeles can be sued. The County of Los Angeles can be sued. The County that it happened in, can be sued. Because he couldn't be a real man/person - he brought everyone into this shit - who can now, and is going to be sued... they don't want to release it - because it could impact a potential jury. And because of that pending litigation and because the cities and multiple counties are figuring out how to justify charging this MFer (which should be easy).”

She goes on but the video release would also impact any jurors on a potential criminal trial as well.

She sounds like a very competent lawyer

Because she doesn't agree with your opinion as an Internet Lawyer (TM)?

[Anonymous]

Costco shooting: LAPD officer won’t face criminal charges in killing of intellectually disabled man
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-25/costco-shooting-lapd-officer-wont-will-face-charges-in-killing-of-intellectually-disabled-man

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Costco shooting: LAPD officer won’t face criminal charges in killing of intellectually disabled man
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-25/costco-shooting-lapd-officer-wont-will-face-charges-in-killing-of-intellectually-disabled-man

Good.
From the article:
"Investigators with the district attorney’s office said no words were exchanged before French accosted Sanchez.

“There was no previous altercation. ... There was no inadvertent bumping. The officer [carrying his child] was hit in the head,” Hestrin said."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Costco shooting: LAPD officer won’t face criminal charges in killing of intellectually disabled man
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-25/costco-shooting-lapd-officer-wont-will-face-charges-in-killing-of-intellectually-disabled-man

Good.
From the article:
"Investigators with the district attorney’s office said no words were exchanged before French accosted Sanchez.

“There was no previous altercation. ... There was no inadvertent bumping. The officer [carrying his child] was hit in the head,” Hestrin said."

Great. So cops are allowed to shoot wildly into crowded spaces because they get bumped. Just awesome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Costco shooting: LAPD officer won’t face criminal charges in killing of intellectually disabled man
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-25/costco-shooting-lapd-officer-wont-will-face-charges-in-killing-of-intellectually-disabled-man

Good.
From the article:
"Investigators with the district attorney’s office said no words were exchanged before French accosted Sanchez.

“There was no previous altercation. ... There was no inadvertent bumping. The officer [carrying his child] was hit in the head,” Hestrin said."

Great. So cops are allowed to shoot wildly into crowded spaces because they get bumped. Just awesome.

NP - did you watch the video?

Sorry, you don't get to go around violently knocking people in the heads randomly and without any provocation, particularly if they're holding a child.

I'm not a fan if guns, or even a lot of cops, but I can't blame the officer for instinctively trying to protect himself and his child after being violently hit.

This is the right call by the DA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Costco shooting: LAPD officer won’t face criminal charges in killing of intellectually disabled man
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-25/costco-shooting-lapd-officer-wont-will-face-charges-in-killing-of-intellectually-disabled-man

Good.
From the article:
"Investigators with the district attorney’s office said no words were exchanged before French accosted Sanchez.

“There was no previous altercation. ... There was no inadvertent bumping. The officer [carrying his child] was hit in the head,” Hestrin said."

Great. So cops are allowed to shoot wildly into crowded spaces because they get bumped. Just awesome.

How many times can I hit you in the back of your head before you defend yourself?

[Anonymous]

I can’t tell at all from that video what happened. It’s so grainy and far away.

[Anonymous]

I wonder what would have happened if Sanchez hadn't carried a gun into Costco. Alas, we'll never know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Costco shooting: LAPD officer won’t face criminal charges in killing of intellectually disabled man
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-25/costco-shooting-lapd-officer-wont-will-face-charges-in-killing-of-intellectually-disabled-man

Good.
From the article:
"Investigators with the district attorney’s office said no words were exchanged before French accosted Sanchez.

“There was no previous altercation. ... There was no inadvertent bumping. The officer [carrying his child] was hit in the head,” Hestrin said."

Great. So cops are allowed to shoot wildly into crowded spaces because they get bumped. Just awesome.

How many times can I hit you in the back of your head before you defend yourself?

With a gun????? Wake up fool!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what would have happened if Sanchez hadn't carried a gun into Costco. Alas, we'll never know.

I wonder what would have happened if the man never knocked a dad in the back of his head while he was carrying his toddler.

Actually I do know - everyone would have gone their separate, peaceful ways while stocking up on too many delicious Costco pastries.

[Anonymous]

Law enforcement protects its own.

[Anonymous]

Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?

It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.

A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.

Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?