Should financial aid in private school be stricter?

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I do think that there are a lot of middle class families that bring diversity to schools, but, when you see the kids, are they genius? Are they athletes? Are they well behaved? There is nothing exceptional, same as rich or poor kids. Hence, I think it’s best to be strict with aid if there is no good and substantial reason to receive financial aid. This is not the school money, and not the money of the rich donors, is the money of ALL parents, and has to be used wisely.

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Rich people suck and have no regard for the plight of American workers.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialism for the rich, golden parachutes, tax payer bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs on groceries...thank a rich person today, for our wonderful corruption proof system

Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do think that there are a lot of middle class families that bring diversity to schools, but, when you see the kids, are they genius? Are they athletes? Are they well behaved? There is nothing exceptional, same as rich or poor kids. Hence, I think it’s best to be strict with aid if there is no good and substantial reason to receive financial aid. This is not the school money, and not the money of the rich donors, is the money of ALL parents, and has to be used wisely.

Wow!! You're so stupid that after 40 pages you still cannot see the point. MC kids don't bring diversity in the way that you consider diversity. Your definition of diversity doesn't matter because you are not definining it for the school, let alone multiple schools. The schools define it for themselves. So, diversity is a moot point.

What do MC kids bring that the schools are willing to pay for through FA? This SHOULD be your question if you had 2 brains cells that could function to perform the most basic reading comprehension - like 2nd grade level. MC kids bring a well rounded student body if they are present in significant numbers. They don't have to be exceptional geniuses, athletes, artist, etc. That's why communities pay for extended members of the existing community from the MC to attend - siblings, children, grandchildren, faculty/staff kids, etc. The schools can afford a larger groups of MC people than a few low income people, because of partial aid. Low income students as a minority, carving out the MC, like you suggest, create polarized student body, which is not what most people (people like me - full pay) are looking for.

Now, do you understand? I used small words and simple sentence structure. Hopefully you can see through any typos - I'm using my thumbs.

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Wow, then don’t give.

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Anonymous wrote:Rich people suck and have no regard for the plight of American workers.

If you were rich, would you say the same? Would you give all your money away so you remain poor?

Yeah, rich people suck. They are like a different species.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think that there are a lot of middle class families that bring diversity to schools, but, when you see the kids, are they genius? Are they athletes? Are they well behaved? There is nothing exceptional, same as rich or poor kids. Hence, I think it’s best to be strict with aid if there is no good and substantial reason to receive financial aid. This is not the school money, and not the money of the rich donors, is the money of ALL parents, and has to be used wisely.

Wow!! You're so stupid that after 40 pages you still cannot see the point. MC kids don't bring diversity in the way that you consider diversity. Your definition of diversity doesn't matter because you are not definining it for the school, let alone multiple schools. The schools define it for themselves. So, diversity is a moot point.

What do MC kids bring that the schools are willing to pay for through FA? This SHOULD be your question if you had 2 brains cells that could function to perform the most basic reading comprehension - like 2nd grade level. MC kids bring a well rounded student body if they are present in significant numbers. They don't have to be exceptional geniuses, athletes, artist, etc. That's why communities pay for extended members of the existing community from the MC to attend - siblings, children, grandchildren, faculty/staff kids, etc. The schools can afford a larger groups of MC people than a few low income people, because of partial aid. Low income students as a minority, carving out the MC, like you suggest, create polarized student body, which is not what most people (people like me - full pay) are looking for.

Now, do you understand? I used small words and simple sentence structure. Hopefully you can see through any typos - I'm using my thumbs.

Yes, because there are no middle class families that pay full tuition.

Now, if you get so agitated for reading a post, maybe you should consider not reading DCUM. and even better not writing.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think that there are a lot of middle class families that bring diversity to schools, but, when you see the kids, are they genius? Are they athletes? Are they well behaved? There is nothing exceptional, same as rich or poor kids. Hence, I think it’s best to be strict with aid if there is no good and substantial reason to receive financial aid. This is not the school money, and not the money of the rich donors, is the money of ALL parents, and has to be used wisely.

Wow!! You're so stupid that after 40 pages you still cannot see the point. MC kids don't bring diversity in the way that you consider diversity. Your definition of diversity doesn't matter because you are not definining it for the school, let alone multiple schools. The schools define it for themselves. So, diversity is a moot point.

What do MC kids bring that the schools are willing to pay for through FA? This SHOULD be your question if you had 2 brains cells that could function to perform the most basic reading comprehension - like 2nd grade level. MC kids bring a well rounded student body if they are present in significant numbers. They don't have to be exceptional geniuses, athletes, artist, etc. That's why communities pay for extended members of the existing community from the MC to attend - siblings, children, grandchildren, faculty/staff kids, etc. The schools can afford a larger groups of MC people than a few low income people, because of partial aid. Low income students as a minority, carving out the MC, like you suggest, create polarized student body, which is not what most people (people like me - full pay) are looking for.

Now, do you understand? I used small words and simple sentence structure. Hopefully you can see through any typos - I'm using my thumbs.

Yes, because there are no middle class families that pay full tuition.

Now, if you get so agitated for reading a post, maybe you should consider not reading DCUM. and even better not writing.

Lol! Please tell others how to behave, when/where /how to write, what they should do with their money, and how they should thing. Does that work well for you IRL?

And, yes, some MC people make sacrifices to pay full tuition, some are subsidized. I don't care. I also don't care if MC people save their vacation money to travel to Europe. I'm not like you, I have no need to control the behavior of others. And I donate to causes I believe in.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think that there are a lot of middle class families that bring diversity to schools, but, when you see the kids, are they genius? Are they athletes? Are they well behaved? There is nothing exceptional, same as rich or poor kids. Hence, I think it’s best to be strict with aid if there is no good and substantial reason to receive financial aid. This is not the school money, and not the money of the rich donors, is the money of ALL parents, and has to be used wisely.

Wow!! You're so stupid that after 40 pages you still cannot see the point. MC kids don't bring diversity in the way that you consider diversity. Your definition of diversity doesn't matter because you are not definining it for the school, let alone multiple schools. The schools define it for themselves. So, diversity is a moot point.

What do MC kids bring that the schools are willing to pay for through FA? This SHOULD be your question if you had 2 brains cells that could function to perform the most basic reading comprehension - like 2nd grade level. MC kids bring a well rounded student body if they are present in significant numbers. They don't have to be exceptional geniuses, athletes, artist, etc. That's why communities pay for extended members of the existing community from the MC to attend - siblings, children, grandchildren, faculty/staff kids, etc. The schools can afford a larger groups of MC people than a few low income people, because of partial aid. Low income students as a minority, carving out the MC, like you suggest, create polarized student body, which is not what most people (people like me - full pay) are looking for.

Now, do you understand? I used small words and simple sentence structure. Hopefully you can see through any typos - I'm using my thumbs.

Yes, because there are no middle class families that pay full tuition.

Now, if you get so agitated for reading a post, maybe you should consider not reading DCUM. and even better not writing.

Lol! Please tell others how to behave, when/where /how to write, what they should do with their money, and how they should thing. Does that work well for you IRL?

And, yes, some MC people make sacrifices to pay full tuition, some are subsidized. I don't care. I also don't care if MC people save their vacation money to travel to Europe. I'm not like you, I have no need to control the behavior of others. And I donate to causes I believe in.

It’s my opinion and as far as I know it’s ok to post it.

Also Xanax could be useful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For me this is what I mean when I say FA should be more strict - if you are giving someone tens of thousands of dollars for free, the least they could do is have a private confidential face to face meeting with one person from the school about it. Could even be on zoom. I think this requirement would weed out basically all the bad actors. It’s one thing to scam a computer algorithm but it’s another to scam a human being. There are no human beings involved in this process now. And for those of you who are going to say why should FA recipients have to do that, the answer is because they are getting tens of thousands of dollars for it and if there is nothing shady about it, why would they have a problem with it? It would give them the chance to say thank you for this opportunity for our family also which many of them actually would like to do!!

As a Board Member, I can assure you, your juice is not worth the squeeze and I would encourage you to find another hobby that will stroke your massive ego.

Someone else just trying to shut down the conversation. I’m sure you’re very busy with your board member duties and hobbies but when you have a chance, please explain why this discussion bothers you so much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For me this is what I mean when I say FA should be more strict - if you are giving someone tens of thousands of dollars for free, the least they could do is have a private confidential face to face meeting with one person from the school about it. Could even be on zoom. I think this requirement would weed out basically all the bad actors. It’s one thing to scam a computer algorithm but it’s another to scam a human being. There are no human beings involved in this process now. And for those of you who are going to say why should FA recipients have to do that, the answer is because they are getting tens of thousands of dollars for it and if there is nothing shady about it, why would they have a problem with it? It would give them the chance to say thank you for this opportunity for our family also which many of them actually would like to do!!

As a Board Member, I can assure you, your juice is not worth the squeeze and I would encourage you to find another hobby that will stroke your massive ego.

Someone else just trying to shut down the conversation. I’m sure you’re very busy with your board member duties and hobbies but when you have a chance, please explain why this discussion bothers you so much.

Discussions about financial aid thresholds are fine, discussions that suggest that financial aid recipients grovel at the feet of donors are not.

[Anonymous]

Saying thank you for the tens of thousands of dollars you’re giving my family is not groveling but again, if you are the fair recipient of financial aid, why should you be bothered by a quick confidential meeting about it if that was a requirement to receive it? You were fine to meet face to face to apply to the school obviously.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think that there are a lot of middle class families that bring diversity to schools, but, when you see the kids, are they genius? Are they athletes? Are they well behaved? There is nothing exceptional, same as rich or poor kids. Hence, I think it’s best to be strict with aid if there is no good and substantial reason to receive financial aid. This is not the school money, and not the money of the rich donors, is the money of ALL parents, and has to be used wisely.

Wow!! You're so stupid that after 40 pages you still cannot see the point. MC kids don't bring diversity in the way that you consider diversity. Your definition of diversity doesn't matter because you are not definining it for the school, let alone multiple schools. The schools define it for themselves. So, diversity is a moot point.

What do MC kids bring that the schools are willing to pay for through FA? This SHOULD be your question if you had 2 brains cells that could function to perform the most basic reading comprehension - like 2nd grade level. MC kids bring a well rounded student body if they are present in significant numbers. They don't have to be exceptional geniuses, athletes, artist, etc. That's why communities pay for extended members of the existing community from the MC to attend - siblings, children, grandchildren, faculty/staff kids, etc. The schools can afford a larger groups of MC people than a few low income people, because of partial aid. Low income students as a minority, carving out the MC, like you suggest, create polarized student body, which is not what most people (people like me - full pay) are looking for.

Now, do you understand? I used small words and simple sentence structure. Hopefully you can see through any typos - I'm using my thumbs.

Yes, because there are no middle class families that pay full tuition.

Now, if you get so agitated for reading a post, maybe you should consider not reading DCUM. and even better not writing.

Lol! Please tell others how to behave, when/where /how to write, what they should do with their money, and how they should thing. Does that work well for you IRL?

And, yes, some MC people make sacrifices to pay full tuition, some are subsidized. I don't care. I also don't care if MC people save their vacation money to travel to Europe. I'm not like you, I have no need to control the behavior of others. And I donate to causes I believe in.

It’s my opinion and as far as I know it’s ok to post it.

Also Xanax could be useful.

Yes, more medication. That's what society needs. Great idea! Try it!

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Anonymous wrote:For me this is what I mean when I say FA should be more strict - if you are giving someone tens of thousands of dollars for free, the least they could do is have a private confidential face to face meeting with one person from the school about it. Could even be on zoom. I think this requirement would weed out basically all the bad actors. It’s one thing to scam a computer algorithm but it’s another to scam a human being. There are no human beings involved in this process now. And for those of you who are going to say why should FA recipients have to do that, the answer is because they are getting tens of thousands of dollars for it and if there is nothing shady about it, why would they have a problem with it? It would give them the chance to say thank you for this opportunity for our family also which many of them actually would like to do!!

As a Board Member, I can assure you, your juice is not worth the squeeze and I would encourage you to find another hobby that will stroke your massive ego.

Someone else just trying to shut down the conversation. I’m sure you’re very busy with your board member duties and hobbies but when you have a chance, please explain why this discussion bothers you so much.

DP

Maybe you can explain how the way other people donate money bothers you. And why you care so much about how communities that you have zero affiliation with use their donations. Clearly you don't donate and are just looking for a handout. People who do donate clearly think their money is going toward something they support.

OPs question only matters to those that want a handout. So, to answer their question - I think it's fine the way it is. I don't want people like you in my community. Personally, I'd rather have the teacher's kid, even if her husband works and their HHI is 300k and they vacation in Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think that there are a lot of middle class families that bring diversity to schools, but, when you see the kids, are they genius? Are they athletes? Are they well behaved? There is nothing exceptional, same as rich or poor kids. Hence, I think it’s best to be strict with aid if there is no good and substantial reason to receive financial aid. This is not the school money, and not the money of the rich donors, is the money of ALL parents, and has to be used wisely.

Wow!! You're so stupid that after 40 pages you still cannot see the point. MC kids don't bring diversity in the way that you consider diversity. Your definition of diversity doesn't matter because you are not definining it for the school, let alone multiple schools. The schools define it for themselves. So, diversity is a moot point.

What do MC kids bring that the schools are willing to pay for through FA? This SHOULD be your question if you had 2 brains cells that could function to perform the most basic reading comprehension - like 2nd grade level. MC kids bring a well rounded student body if they are present in significant numbers. They don't have to be exceptional geniuses, athletes, artist, etc. That's why communities pay for extended members of the existing community from the MC to attend - siblings, children, grandchildren, faculty/staff kids, etc. The schools can afford a larger groups of MC people than a few low income people, because of partial aid. Low income students as a minority, carving out the MC, like you suggest, create polarized student body, which is not what most people (people like me - full pay) are looking for.

Now, do you understand? I used small words and simple sentence structure. Hopefully you can see through any typos - I'm using my thumbs.

Yes, because there are no middle class families that pay full tuition.

Now, if you get so agitated for reading a post, maybe you should consider not reading DCUM. and even better not writing.

Lol! Please tell others how to behave, when/where /how to write, what they should do with their money, and how they should thing. Does that work well for you IRL?

And, yes, some MC people make sacrifices to pay full tuition, some are subsidized. I don't care. I also don't care if MC people save their vacation money to travel to Europe. I'm not like you, I have no need to control the behavior of others. And I donate to causes I believe in.

It’s my opinion and as far as I know it’s ok to post it.

Also Xanax could be useful.

Yes, more medication. That's what society needs. Great idea! Try it!

Particularly useful for unhinged parents that do not tolerate diversity of opinions.