The DMV needs a YIMBY revolution

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

Except for the dedicated lanes, this is what every bus stop should be, so you’re just describing bus stops. More density near bus stops along dedicated lanes makes sense.

How much density, and how near a bus stop? Issuing limited permits as a pilot program like they’ve done elsewhere?
Duplexes directly along the route and maybe quads within a couple hundred feet of a BRT station?

Slapping down bus stops as an excuse to build county-wide density is a terrible idea, but I think that people would look more favorably towards realistic proposals.

This was tried in Alexandria along Richmond highway (highway 1) and it has failed miserably. The mayor loves to brag about his dedicated bus lane and shiny BRT stations, which consume 2-3 lanes. Lots of mid-rise condos/apartments and some townhomes have been approved and built in the last several years. And yet the bus route is one of the least used in the entire DASH bus system, only moving about 250 people a day.

That was supposed to be streetcars. The dream of urban planners everywhere. Fixed infrastructure with expensive single purpose vehicles.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

Except for the dedicated lanes, this is what every bus stop should be, so you’re just describing bus stops. More density near bus stops along dedicated lanes makes sense.

It might be what every bus stop should be, but it is unfortunately not what every bus stop is. So it is actually not a description of a bus stop.

It is a place where a bus stops. That means it’s a bus stop. If you’re saying it’s only BRT if it has dedicated lanes, then I agree. Everything else is a not really mass transit. It’s transportation of last resort.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

Except for the dedicated lanes, this is what every bus stop should be, so you’re just describing bus stops. More density near bus stops along dedicated lanes makes sense.

It might be what every bus stop should be, but it is unfortunately not what every bus stop is. So it is actually not a description of a bus stop.

It is still a bus stop. Just because it looks superficially better that doesn't change its inherent nature.

Ok, so it's not that you're ignorant, it's that you're using "bus stop" as a pejorative, on purpose.

No. It's a bus stop not a transit center. There's nothing wrong with bus stops but they are what they are and pretending otherwise is delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

Except for the dedicated lanes, this is what every bus stop should be, so you’re just describing bus stops. More density near bus stops along dedicated lanes makes sense.

How much density, and how near a bus stop? Issuing limited permits as a pilot program like they’ve done elsewhere?
Duplexes directly along the route and maybe quads within a couple hundred feet of a BRT station?

Slapping down bus stops as an excuse to build county-wide density is a terrible idea, but I think that people would look more favorably towards realistic proposals.

This was tried in Alexandria along Richmond highway (highway 1) and it has failed miserably. The mayor loves to brag about his dedicated bus lane and shiny BRT stations, which consume 2-3 lanes. Lots of mid-rise condos/apartments and some townhomes have been approved and built in the last several years. And yet the bus route is one of the least used in the entire DASH bus system, only moving about 250 people a day.

Very few people want this nonsense, it’s just that the YImBYs are loud.

I invite everyone to follow the “Montgomery County Md., Planning Department Page” on Facebook to see what I mean.

Take a look the comments for the post from two days ago, “I love my single family neighborhood…”

It’s the same 3-4 YImBY cult members responding to every post, all from the MOCO YIMBY group with their propaganda about housing or Thetans or whatever delusions they are having. The Russians could learn a a thing or two from the YImBYs when it comes to disinformation campaigns.

Interesting point. In fact, some of the same political operatives who work for the “Smart Growth” YIMBYs have worked with the Russians. Just read the Mueller Report.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

Except for the dedicated lanes, this is what every bus stop should be, so you’re just describing bus stops. More density near bus stops along dedicated lanes makes sense.

How much density, and how near a bus stop? Issuing limited permits as a pilot program like they’ve done elsewhere?
Duplexes directly along the route and maybe quads within a couple hundred feet of a BRT station?

Slapping down bus stops as an excuse to build county-wide density is a terrible idea, but I think that people would look more favorably towards realistic proposals.

This was tried in Alexandria along Richmond highway (highway 1) and it has failed miserably. The mayor loves to brag about his dedicated bus lane and shiny BRT stations, which consume 2-3 lanes. Lots of mid-rise condos/apartments and some townhomes have been approved and built in the last several years. And yet the bus route is one of the least used in the entire DASH bus system, only moving about 250 people a day.

Very few people want this nonsense, it’s just that the YImBYs are loud.

I invite everyone to follow the “Montgomery County Md., Planning Department Page” on Facebook to see what I mean.

Take a look the comments for the post from two days ago, “I love my single family neighborhood…”

It’s the same 3-4 YImBY cult members responding to every post, all from the MOCO YIMBY group with their propaganda about housing or Thetans or whatever delusions they are having. The Russians could learn a a thing or two from the YImBYs when it comes to disinformation campaigns.

Interesting point. In fact, some of the same political operatives who work for the “Smart Growth” YIMBYs have worked with the Russians. Just read the Mueller Report.

Soviet Constructivism?

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-662-64094-4_7

Or just the Russians generally trying to destroy society in the US?

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

Except for the dedicated lanes, this is what every bus stop should be, so you’re just describing bus stops. More density near bus stops along dedicated lanes makes sense.

How much density, and how near a bus stop? Issuing limited permits as a pilot program like they’ve done elsewhere?
Duplexes directly along the route and maybe quads within a couple hundred feet of a BRT station?

Slapping down bus stops as an excuse to build county-wide density is a terrible idea, but I think that people would look more favorably towards realistic proposals.

This was tried in Alexandria along Richmond highway (highway 1) and it has failed miserably. The mayor loves to brag about his dedicated bus lane and shiny BRT stations, which consume 2-3 lanes. Lots of mid-rise condos/apartments and some townhomes have been approved and built in the last several years. And yet the bus route is one of the least used in the entire DASH bus system, only moving about 250 people a day.

Very few people want this nonsense, it’s just that the YImBYs are loud.

I invite everyone to follow the “Montgomery County Md., Planning Department Page” on Facebook to see what I mean.

Take a look the comments for the post from two days ago, “I love my single family neighborhood…”

It’s the same 3-4 YImBY cult members responding to every post, all from the MOCO YIMBY group with their propaganda about housing or Thetans or whatever delusions they are having. The Russians could learn a a thing or two from the YImBYs when it comes to disinformation campaigns.

Interesting point. In fact, some of the same political operatives who work for the “Smart Growth” YIMBYs have worked with the Russians. Just read the Mueller Report.

Soviet Constructivism?

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-662-64094-4_7

Or just the Russians generally trying to destroy society in the US?

Part of the new MOCO 5 year
Plan.

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If you want to sound like an ignorant fool, claiming that there is a proposal to change the zoning around "bus stops", I certainly won't stop you.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to sound like an ignorant fool, claiming that there is a proposal to change the zoning around "bus stops", I certainly won't stop you.

Your denial of reality is admirably embarrassing for you, so kudos on that.

Now, why don’t you hustle back to bullying people on Facebook, sport?

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

Except for the dedicated lanes, this is what every bus stop should be, so you’re just describing bus stops. More density near bus stops along dedicated lanes makes sense.

How much density, and how near a bus stop? Issuing limited permits as a pilot program like they’ve done elsewhere?
Duplexes directly along the route and maybe quads within a couple hundred feet of a BRT station?

Slapping down bus stops as an excuse to build county-wide density is a terrible idea, but I think that people would look more favorably towards realistic proposals.

This was tried in Alexandria along Richmond highway (highway 1) and it has failed miserably. The mayor loves to brag about his dedicated bus lane and shiny BRT stations, which consume 2-3 lanes. Lots of mid-rise condos/apartments and some townhomes have been approved and built in the last several years. And yet the bus route is one of the least used in the entire DASH bus system, only moving about 250 people a day.

Very few people want this nonsense, it’s just that the YImBYs are loud.

I invite everyone to follow the “Montgomery County Md., Planning Department Page” on Facebook to see what I mean.

Take a look the comments for the post from two days ago, “I love my single family neighborhood…”

It’s the same 3-4 YImBY cult members responding to every post, all from the MOCO YIMBY group with their propaganda about housing or Thetans or whatever delusions they are having. The Russians could learn a a thing or two from the YImBYs when it comes to disinformation campaigns.

Interesting point. In fact, some of the same political operatives who work for the “Smart Growth” YIMBYs have worked with the Russians. Just read the Mueller Report.

Soviet Constructivism?

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-662-64094-4_7

Or just the Russians generally trying to destroy society in the US?

Or some local MAGA operatives with very unsavoury clients.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you want to sound like an ignorant fool, claiming that there is a proposal to change the zoning around "bus stops", I certainly won't stop you.

There are dozens of places in the US that have specifically created zoning tied to bus stops. This is not a “conspiracy” and you are lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to sound like an ignorant fool, claiming that there is a proposal to change the zoning around "bus stops", I certainly won't stop you.

Your denial of reality is admirably embarrassing for you, so kudos on that.

Now, why don’t you hustle back to bullying people on Facebook, sport?

DP. Thanks for your first para. I am so usually by that on Facebook.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to sound like an ignorant fool, claiming that there is a proposal to change the zoning around "bus stops", I certainly won't stop you.

Your denial of reality is admirably embarrassing for you, so kudos on that.

Now, why don’t you hustle back to bullying people on Facebook, sport?

Interdasting.

DP. Thanks for your first para. I am so usually by that on Facebook.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unironically.
Most of you will hate this but I don’t care. We all need to suck it up and move into the 21st century, 25 years too late.

No more tweaking around the edges with low-level zoning reform or a few more metro stops or buses here and there. We need a broad scale systematic urban planning overhaul that completely eliminates single family zoning anywhere inside the Beltway.

Single family zoning is simply unsustainable. We can’t grow our economy if we don’t have new residents and we can’t have new residents if we don’t have homes. And if we don’t have more homes near better, reliable transit, then everyone will be more miserable stuck in traffic and less productive at work and less economically competitive. We need to completely eliminate suburban sprawl. The 1950s planned communities need to stay in the past. In a perfect world we’d move everyone closer in to promote re-wilding of our exurbs.

Nobody should be living in a single family suburban home and drive an SUV. It should be either urban, dense multi family dwelling walkable 15-minute neighborhoods, or rural homesteads, preferably using their land for organic family farming and solar fields and green spaces.

If it weren’t for American “but muh freedumb!” selfish ideology, I guarantee we would all have a much higher quality of life with less traffic, less stress, stronger communities, less obesity, and a better economy.

Bring on the YIMBY revolution.

I totally agree with you. Bring it on! And I am in the far out suburbs with an SUV and an annoying commute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unironically.
Most of you will hate this but I don’t care. We all need to suck it up and move into the 21st century, 25 years too late.

No more tweaking around the edges with low-level zoning reform or a few more metro stops or buses here and there. We need a broad scale systematic urban planning overhaul that completely eliminates single family zoning anywhere inside the Beltway.

Single family zoning is simply unsustainable. We can’t grow our economy if we don’t have new residents and we can’t have new residents if we don’t have homes. And if we don’t have more homes near better, reliable transit, then everyone will be more miserable stuck in traffic and less productive at work and less economically competitive. We need to completely eliminate suburban sprawl. The 1950s planned communities need to stay in the past. In a perfect world we’d move everyone closer in to promote re-wilding of our exurbs.

Nobody should be living in a single family suburban home and drive an SUV. It should be either urban, dense multi family dwelling walkable 15-minute neighborhoods, or rural homesteads, preferably using their land for organic family farming and solar fields and green spaces.

If it weren’t for American “but muh freedumb!” selfish ideology, I guarantee we would all have a much higher quality of life with less traffic, less stress, stronger communities, less obesity, and a better economy.

Bring on the YIMBY revolution.

I totally agree with you. Bring it on! And I am in the far out suburbs with an SUV and an annoying commute.

How do we get there? It doesn’t seem like the market will make it happen. In the Sun Belt, housing prices have gone up more than they have here in the past five years and construction is slowing down in the Sun Belt as prices drop a little from their highs. Here we didn’t build enough housing to make prices go down at all but they’ve still gone up less than it has in places like Austin in the past five years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unironically.
Most of you will hate this but I don’t care. We all need to suck it up and move into the 21st century, 25 years too late.

No more tweaking around the edges with low-level zoning reform or a few more metro stops or buses here and there. We need a broad scale systematic urban planning overhaul that completely eliminates single family zoning anywhere inside the Beltway.

Single family zoning is simply unsustainable. We can’t grow our economy if we don’t have new residents and we can’t have new residents if we don’t have homes. And if we don’t have more homes near better, reliable transit, then everyone will be more miserable stuck in traffic and less productive at work and less economically competitive. We need to completely eliminate suburban sprawl. The 1950s planned communities need to stay in the past. In a perfect world we’d move everyone closer in to promote re-wilding of our exurbs.

Nobody should be living in a single family suburban home and drive an SUV. It should be either urban, dense multi family dwelling walkable 15-minute neighborhoods, or rural homesteads, preferably using their land for organic family farming and solar fields and green spaces.

If it weren’t for American “but muh freedumb!” selfish ideology, I guarantee we would all have a much higher quality of life with less traffic, less stress, stronger communities, less obesity, and a better economy.

Bring on the YIMBY revolution.

I totally agree with you. Bring it on! And I am in the far out suburbs with an SUV and an annoying commute.

How do we get there? It doesn’t seem like the market will make it happen. In the Sun Belt, housing prices have gone up more than they have here in the past five years and construction is slowing down in the Sun Belt as prices drop a little from their highs. Here we didn’t build enough housing to make prices go down at all but they’ve still gone up less than it has in places like Austin in the past five years.

Is the goal to make prices go down?

Like, a decrease in property values?

Maybe we don’t want that and, in fact, upzoning is the worst of all of the many possible choices to build affordable housing, anyway.