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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

Not anymore...but you keep believing what you do.

The truth of the matter is you will most likely get an inferior education in a public school. It IS possible to get a decent education. But an excellent education? LOL...maybe at TJ but even that is suspect these days.

There are so many super smart well educated kids coming out of publics. But sure, their education is sub par. Only Richie Rich’s kids are getting an EXCELLENT education at Sidwell

Sure but trust me...I know. My friends whose kids just entered college in the past year are all complaining their kids never learned to really study for cumulative assessments. They never had them at their MCPS W school where they give you semester grade of A when you have a 79 and 89 for each quarter. These kids played games with the numbers and are sorely unprepared for college. These are kids who took multiple APs too.

You know nothing. MCPS kids run circles around private schools kids everytime.

They won’t have the social or business network though that these private schools kids have. Trust me. Parents invested hundreds of thousands into education and they are making sure these connections carry on. Can’t compare the culture or communities.

Why do people keep perpetuating this myth. It’s HS not college or grad school. Families with money likely already had/have connections even without private school. Where folks go to HS doesn’t come up often in business circles and only in social circles once folks get into deeper conversation. Further a bunch of said MCPs kids that you are talking about have families with government and business connections. They are not all paupers. In fact, several of the students at a given private HS have siblings in public.

Let’s stop this childish private/public debate. It’s a ridiculous comparison especially considering where folks end up in life.

One thing we agree on is that we should stop this childish private/public debate. We are on a thread about private school college admissions, we should stick to that topic.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

Not anymore...but you keep believing what you do.

The truth of the matter is you will most likely get an inferior education in a public school. It IS possible to get a decent education. But an excellent education? LOL...maybe at TJ but even that is suspect these days.

There are so many super smart well educated kids coming out of publics. But sure, their education is sub par. Only Richie Rich’s kids are getting an EXCELLENT education at Sidwell

Sure but trust me...I know. My friends whose kids just entered college in the past year are all complaining their kids never learned to really study for cumulative assessments. They never had them at their MCPS W school where they give you semester grade of A when you have a 79 and 89 for each quarter. These kids played games with the numbers and are sorely unprepared for college. These are kids who took multiple APs too.

You know nothing. MCPS kids run circles around private schools kids everytime.

They won’t have the social or business network though that these private schools kids have. Trust me. Parents invested hundreds of thousands into education and they are making sure these connections carry on. Can’t compare the culture or communities.

Why do people keep perpetuating this myth. It’s HS not college or grad school. Families with money likely already had/have connections even without private school. Where folks go to HS doesn’t come up often in business circles and only in social circles once folks get into deeper conversation. Further a bunch of said MCPs kids that you are talking about have families with government and business connections. They are not all paupers. In fact, several of the students at a given private HS have siblings in public.

Let’s stop this childish private/public debate. It’s a ridiculous comparison especially considering where folks end up in life.

Every year Gonzaga College High School holds a Business Network Career Fair. These are the types of connections that public schools kids are locked out of. https://www.gonzaga.org/alumni/gonzaga-business-network#

LOL.
DCUM private schools parents are so out of touch and ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

Not anymore...but you keep believing what you do.

The truth of the matter is you will most likely get an inferior education in a public school. It IS possible to get a decent education. But an excellent education? LOL...maybe at TJ but even that is suspect these days.

There are so many super smart well educated kids coming out of publics. But sure, their education is sub par. Only Richie Rich’s kids are getting an EXCELLENT education at Sidwell

Sure but trust me...I know. My friends whose kids just entered college in the past year are all complaining their kids never learned to really study for cumulative assessments. They never had them at their MCPS W school where they give you semester grade of A when you have a 79 and 89 for each quarter. These kids played games with the numbers and are sorely unprepared for college. These are kids who took multiple APs too.

You know nothing. MCPS kids run circles around private schools kids everytime.

They won’t have the social or business network though that these private schools kids have. Trust me. Parents invested hundreds of thousands into education and they are making sure these connections carry on. Can’t compare the culture or communities.

Why do people keep perpetuating this myth. It’s HS not college or grad school. Families with money likely already had/have connections even without private school. Where folks go to HS doesn’t come up often in business circles and only in social circles once folks get into deeper conversation. Further a bunch of said MCPs kids that you are talking about have families with government and business connections. They are not all paupers. In fact, several of the students at a given private HS have siblings in public.

Let’s stop this childish private/public debate. It’s a ridiculous comparison especially considering where folks end up in life.

But not all private school kids are rich...and that's where the private school network really comes into play and helps elevate there options in life. Again, I point out the Gonzaga networking event where kids with modest backgrounds can actually make these connections. This wouldn't be an option for kids in public school in similar situations.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

You can get an excellent education in public school and some kids do, on average the entire experience is much worse and the sheer volume of kids means you get little individual attention. You are also more likely to get assaulted in public school, as my kid experienced before we moved to private. Except for the 6 months when my public school was entirely virtual while the private schools held in person classes during Covid, my kids are physically safer in their private school. If you’re super rich but none of this is important to you that’s fine, but my values are different.

Finally a private school parent admitting they are paying for the extras! Well cut me down and call me shorty!

These extras are absolutely worth it to many people. And that’s 100% ok and a valid point. And I’ll never fault anyone for that. But anyone arguing about getting a better education at a private is just deluding themselves.

That’s not all that private schools offer. However, I hope you understand that the aforementioned “extras” mean that most private schools offer a better educational experience than most public schools.

EXPERIENCE. Offer a better educational EXPERIENCE. Not a better education. Just to be clear.

A better, safer, individualized educational experience EQUALS a better education.
Please try to keep up.

Most private schools are not providing an individualized education experience. They have a set curriculum and offer some specific elective/special classes. Teachers are not creating lesson plans and content for each student needs and desires. This is not homeschooling. It’s merely a specifically selected group of students and a smaller number of students. And parents are selecting which school they think is the best fit for their kid. That’s it. As someone already said, it’s an experience not necessarily a better education.

Individualized means a number of things. Individualized attention, support, feedback, etc.

As someone already said, a better, safer, individualized educational experience EQUALS a better education.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

Not anymore...but you keep believing what you do.

The truth of the matter is you will most likely get an inferior education in a public school. It IS possible to get a decent education. But an excellent education? LOL...maybe at TJ but even that is suspect these days.

There are so many super smart well educated kids coming out of publics. But sure, their education is sub par. Only Richie Rich’s kids are getting an EXCELLENT education at Sidwell

Sure but trust me...I know. My friends whose kids just entered college in the past year are all complaining their kids never learned to really study for cumulative assessments. They never had them at their MCPS W school where they give you semester grade of A when you have a 79 and 89 for each quarter. These kids played games with the numbers and are sorely unprepared for college. These are kids who took multiple APs too.

You know nothing. MCPS kids run circles around private schools kids everytime.

They won’t have the social or business network though that these private schools kids have. Trust me. Parents invested hundreds of thousands into education and they are making sure these connections carry on. Can’t compare the culture or communities.

Why do people keep perpetuating this myth. It’s HS not college or grad school. Families with money likely already had/have connections even without private school. Where folks go to HS doesn’t come up often in business circles and only in social circles once folks get into deeper conversation. Further a bunch of said MCPs kids that you are talking about have families with government and business connections. They are not all paupers. In fact, several of the students at a given private HS have siblings in public.

Let’s stop this childish private/public debate. It’s a ridiculous comparison especially considering where folks end up in life.

Tell me you didn't attend an elite private high school without telling me you didn't attend an elite private high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

We consider the private school money to be well spent. No regrets. Laughing at your assumptions.

I think it’s great that you think it’s $$ well spent. Lots of people do. But it’s not worth the $$ for education alone. You can get the same thing in public school. You’re paying for the extras.

If by "extras" you mean music/choir, art, performing arts/stagecraft, TV/film production, sports (many options not just one per season), experiential learning/class trips, PhD level educators and more then yes, I pay for the extras.

I'm a product of public school so I know first hand that my experience and my kids experience are polar opposites and my investment (and yes, I consider funding their education and investment in my kids and their learning/experiences) are in no way a waste. You do you!

You are ridiculous if you think kids don’t have all of this (and more) in public school. My kids certainly do - and we’re not even in a W school.

What I meant by “extras” is a peer group in the same socioeconomic class, individualized attention, no problem kids, that kind of stuff. But as far as class offerings and quality of education you’re not getting anything better than what you get in a public school. Like I said before, private parents will never admit this.

My local public school offers exactly the same European history class as our private with the exact same textbook, I’m guessing both teachers are great. My kid is in a class of 15 students with a class trip overseas to experience the material, in our public school the class has 30 and some kids stand for the class time. Is this the same experience? Some public parents will never admit this.

Absolutely no one is arguing that public school kids have the same experience as private school kids, but good try.

I’m just wondering why the public school boosters constantly come on the private school board to try and argue that public school is just as good. Do you think the private school parents know nothing about their public schools and your comments are going to inform or convince them of something? I sent my kids to our local public schools for several years and I know what I’m spending a fortune getting my kids away from, what is the point of this conversation?

This! Been there and couldn’t wait to leave! The community is not even comparable nor the education. Small classes 10-14 kids and 10 kids per each advisor.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

You can get an excellent education in public school and some kids do, on average the entire experience is much worse and the sheer volume of kids means you get little individual attention. You are also more likely to get assaulted in public school, as my kid experienced before we moved to private. Except for the 6 months when my public school was entirely virtual while the private schools held in person classes during Covid, my kids are physically safer in their private school. If you’re super rich but none of this is important to you that’s fine, but my values are different.

Finally a private school parent admitting they are paying for the extras! Well cut me down and call me shorty!

These extras are absolutely worth it to many people. And that’s 100% ok and a valid point. And I’ll never fault anyone for that. But anyone arguing about getting a better education at a private is just deluding themselves.

That’s not all that private schools offer. However, I hope you understand that the aforementioned “extras” mean that most private schools offer a better educational experience than most public schools.

EXPERIENCE. Offer a better educational EXPERIENCE. Not a better education. Just to be clear.

A better, safer, individualized educational experience EQUALS a better education.
Please try to keep up.

Actually it doesn’t. Please try to keep up.

Just ignore this poster. Public school parent none of us are going to change our minds or have regrets. We would do it over and over and over again. Sending to private has never been a question.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

Not anymore...but you keep believing what you do.

The truth of the matter is you will most likely get an inferior education in a public school. It IS possible to get a decent education. But an excellent education? LOL...maybe at TJ but even that is suspect these days.

There are so many super smart well educated kids coming out of publics. But sure, their education is sub par. Only Richie Rich’s kids are getting an EXCELLENT education at Sidwell

Sure but trust me...I know. My friends whose kids just entered college in the past year are all complaining their kids never learned to really study for cumulative assessments. They never had them at their MCPS W school where they give you semester grade of A when you have a 79 and 89 for each quarter. These kids played games with the numbers and are sorely unprepared for college. These are kids who took multiple APs too.

You know nothing. MCPS kids run circles around private schools kids everytime.

They won’t have the social or business network though that these private schools kids have. Trust me. Parents invested hundreds of thousands into education and they are making sure these connections carry on. Can’t compare the culture or communities.

Why do people keep perpetuating this myth. It’s HS not college or grad school. Families with money likely already had/have connections even without private school. Where folks go to HS doesn’t come up often in business circles and only in social circles once folks get into deeper conversation. Further a bunch of said MCPs kids that you are talking about have families with government and business connections. They are not all paupers. In fact, several of the students at a given private HS have siblings in public.

Let’s stop this childish private/public debate. It’s a ridiculous comparison especially considering where folks end up in life.

Actually it does. There is a whole network and they keep in touch and get together in NYC, Boston, LA etc… yup highschool matters and is actually a tighter network. We were surprised by this but yes it exists. You would t know about it because you are not in the network. My child is and it has been eye opening.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

You can get an excellent education in public school and some kids do, on average the entire experience is much worse and the sheer volume of kids means you get little individual attention. You are also more likely to get assaulted in public school, as my kid experienced before we moved to private. Except for the 6 months when my public school was entirely virtual while the private schools held in person classes during Covid, my kids are physically safer in their private school. If you’re super rich but none of this is important to you that’s fine, but my values are different.

Finally a private school parent admitting they are paying for the extras! Well cut me down and call me shorty!

These extras are absolutely worth it to many people. And that’s 100% ok and a valid point. And I’ll never fault anyone for that. But anyone arguing about getting a better education at a private is just deluding themselves.

That’s not all that private schools offer. However, I hope you understand that the aforementioned “extras” mean that most private schools offer a better educational experience than most public schools.

EXPERIENCE. Offer a better educational EXPERIENCE. Not a better education. Just to be clear.

A better, safer, individualized educational experience EQUALS a better education.
Please try to keep up.

Actually it doesn’t. Please try to keep up.

Just ignore this poster. Public school parent none of us are going to change our minds or have regrets. We would do it over and over and over again. Sending to private has never been a question.

That’s great, I’m glad you are happy with your choice of public school for your kids. Why are you on the private school forum arguing that no one in public school would ever change their mind or have regrets? I’m sure lots of families have regrets on either side of this question, but then again the topic here is private school college admissions and you are way off topic.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

You can get an excellent education in public school and some kids do, on average the entire experience is much worse and the sheer volume of kids means you get little individual attention. You are also more likely to get assaulted in public school, as my kid experienced before we moved to private. Except for the 6 months when my public school was entirely virtual while the private schools held in person classes during Covid, my kids are physically safer in their private school. If you’re super rich but none of this is important to you that’s fine, but my values are different.

Finally a private school parent admitting they are paying for the extras! Well cut me down and call me shorty!

These extras are absolutely worth it to many people. And that’s 100% ok and a valid point. And I’ll never fault anyone for that. But anyone arguing about getting a better education at a private is just deluding themselves.

That’s not all that private schools offer. However, I hope you understand that the aforementioned “extras” mean that most private schools offer a better educational experience than most public schools.

EXPERIENCE. Offer a better educational EXPERIENCE. Not a better education. Just to be clear.

A better, safer, individualized educational experience EQUALS a better education.
Please try to keep up.

Actually it doesn’t. Please try to keep up.

It does.

I’m already ahead…because I received a private school education. Clearly, you cannot say the same.

Nice assumption. 12 years of private school for me. 12 years of public for my husband tho.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

You can get an excellent education in public school and some kids do, on average the entire experience is much worse and the sheer volume of kids means you get little individual attention. You are also more likely to get assaulted in public school, as my kid experienced before we moved to private. Except for the 6 months when my public school was entirely virtual while the private schools held in person classes during Covid, my kids are physically safer in their private school. If you’re super rich but none of this is important to you that’s fine, but my values are different.

Finally a private school parent admitting they are paying for the extras! Well cut me down and call me shorty!

These extras are absolutely worth it to many people. And that’s 100% ok and a valid point. And I’ll never fault anyone for that. But anyone arguing about getting a better education at a private is just deluding themselves.

That’s not all that private schools offer. However, I hope you understand that the aforementioned “extras” mean that most private schools offer a better educational experience than most public schools.

EXPERIENCE. Offer a better educational EXPERIENCE. Not a better education. Just to be clear.

A better, safer, individualized educational experience EQUALS a better education.
Please try to keep up.

Actually it doesn’t. Please try to keep up.

It does.

I’m already ahead…because I received a private school education. Clearly, you cannot say the same.

Nice assumption. 12 years of private school for me. 12 years of public for my husband tho.

Lol—sure. 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

Not anymore...but you keep believing what you do.

The truth of the matter is you will most likely get an inferior education in a public school. It IS possible to get a decent education. But an excellent education? LOL...maybe at TJ but even that is suspect these days.

There are so many super smart well educated kids coming out of publics. But sure, their education is sub par. Only Richie Rich’s kids are getting an EXCELLENT education at Sidwell

Sure but trust me...I know. My friends whose kids just entered college in the past year are all complaining their kids never learned to really study for cumulative assessments. They never had them at their MCPS W school where they give you semester grade of A when you have a 79 and 89 for each quarter. These kids played games with the numbers and are sorely unprepared for college. These are kids who took multiple APs too.

You know nothing. MCPS kids run circles around private schools kids everytime.

They won’t have the social or business network though that these private schools kids have. Trust me. Parents invested hundreds of thousands into education and they are making sure these connections carry on. Can’t compare the culture or communities.

Why do people keep perpetuating this myth. It’s HS not college or grad school. Families with money likely already had/have connections even without private school. Where folks go to HS doesn’t come up often in business circles and only in social circles once folks get into deeper conversation. Further a bunch of said MCPs kids that you are talking about have families with government and business connections. They are not all paupers. In fact, several of the students at a given private HS have siblings in public.

Let’s stop this childish private/public debate. It’s a ridiculous comparison especially considering where folks end up in life.

Actually it does. There is a whole network and they keep in touch and get together in NYC, Boston, LA etc… yup highschool matters and is actually a tighter network. We were surprised by this but yes it exists. You would t know about it because you are not in the network. My child is and it has been eye opening.

LA here and yes, they do keep in touch/network. Weird that people think this isn't a thing.

Do I think employers ask or care? No. Do I think these students keeping in touch with each other helps one another out? Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

You can get an excellent education in public school and some kids do, on average the entire experience is much worse and the sheer volume of kids means you get little individual attention. You are also more likely to get assaulted in public school, as my kid experienced before we moved to private. Except for the 6 months when my public school was entirely virtual while the private schools held in person classes during Covid, my kids are physically safer in their private school. If you’re super rich but none of this is important to you that’s fine, but my values are different.

Finally a private school parent admitting they are paying for the extras! Well cut me down and call me shorty!

These extras are absolutely worth it to many people. And that’s 100% ok and a valid point. And I’ll never fault anyone for that. But anyone arguing about getting a better education at a private is just deluding themselves.

I think the distinction here is what some people (you) consider extras vs. people (me) consider expectations (smaller class size, safety as the two examples above that you define as "extras" is laughable to me, shorty).

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Anonymous wrote:Then tell us, what percentage of Churchill families can’t afford college?

Yes, not only that but according to them they aren’t kids of privilege who haven’t paid through the nose with SAT prep, extracurriculars and “packaging”!!!

/s

A lot of jealous non W school families commenting here. Quite entertaining to witness here on the private school forum.

What are W schools parents doing commenting on this thread? Justifying their existence?

More like triggering insecure private school parents who need to justify their decisions

Or regret their decision to spend millions on privates..

The justification is supported by facts. Read the two articles (above) posted by Stanford and Dartmouth students.

You sound like you regret not having millions to spend on a private school education for your children. Sucks to be you.

NP
We absolutely could have afforded private education for our kids. They were in private until 6th and 3rd grade. Then we pulled them for public. Zero regrets. So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.

“So so so glad we didn’t spend all that $$ for the possibility of a college maybe ranked a bit higher. I mean really, what a waste.”

The bolded font is why I know you can’t really afford a private school education through 12th grade. As the saying goes, “if you could, you would.” You and I both know that the teaching, resources, connections, individualized learning, etc of a top private simply cannot be duplicated in any public school around here. You may get a decent (even good) public school education, but the overall quality of the experience is inferior. Anyone who can truly afford the best education for their children would pay pay the cost.

You don’t seem to be hearing that I could, but didn’t want to. Even rich people think certain things are a waste. For us, private school is one of them.

“Rich people” who think it’s “a waste” to provide the best education possible for their children? Those people are ignorant.

You can get an excellent education in public school. You don’t need to pay $50,000/year for that. You’re paying for the experience and “status” of the classmates and their parents. But you’ll never admit that.

You can get an excellent education in public school and some kids do, on average the entire experience is much worse and the sheer volume of kids means you get little individual attention. You are also more likely to get assaulted in public school, as my kid experienced before we moved to private. Except for the 6 months when my public school was entirely virtual while the private schools held in person classes during Covid, my kids are physically safer in their private school. If you’re super rich but none of this is important to you that’s fine, but my values are different.

Finally a private school parent admitting they are paying for the extras! Well cut me down and call me shorty!

These extras are absolutely worth it to many people. And that’s 100% ok and a valid point. And I’ll never fault anyone for that. But anyone arguing about getting a better education at a private is just deluding themselves.

I think the distinction here is what some people (you) consider extras vs. people (me) consider expectations (smaller class size, safety as the two examples above that you define as "extras" is laughable to me, shorty).

+1 absolutely

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Anonymous wrote:Oops, had to add Flint Hill School back to the list.

Saint Andrews Episcopal School (SAES)
https://www.instagram.com/saes24decisions

Georgetown Day school (GDS)
https://www.instagram.com/gdsseniors2024

Sidwell Friends School (SFS)
https://www.instagram.com/sidwellseniors2024

Maret
https://www.instagram.com/maretfrogs2024

Holton Arms
https://www.instagram.com/holtonarms2024

Landon
https://www.instagram.com/landonseniors24

Connelly School of the Holy Child (Holy Child)
https://www.instagram.com/hcseniors24

St. John’s College( high)
https://www.instagram.com/sjc2024seniors

Bullis School
https://www.instagram.com/bullisseniors2024

Potomac School
https://www.instagram.com/pmacdecisions2024/

Sandy Springs Friends School (SSFS)
https://www.instagram.com/ssfs24seniors

The Heights
https://www.instagram.com/heights24.seniors

Stone Ridge
https://www.instagram.com/srseniors24/

Flint Hill:
https://www.instagram.com/flinthilldecisions24 (https://www.instagram.com/flinthilldecisions24)

Oh my God, Georgetown Day School,
looks more like a wishlist and an actual list!!!!!!