3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that the media are doing a great harm to women by calling the shooter a woman. Women simply DO NOT do such things.

Stop calling the shooter a woman.

Anonymous wrote:There are examples in this thread of Women doing the exact same thing. How many Women kill their own children? Plenty. Women simply DO such things, wether you like it or not

Anonymous wrote:Bullcrap. It is extremely rare.

Extremely rare does not equal 0. And go back a few pages, you'll read about the FEMALE shooter in 1979

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A source close to the Hale family told The Daily Beast on Monday night that Hale was autistic, but high-functioning.

“And relatively recently announced she was transgender, identifying as he/him,” the source said, asking to remain unnamed so as to avoid additional family strife.

Reached by phone, Hale’s mother, Norma Fort Hale, told an ABC News reporter, “It’s very difficult now, we ask for privacy. I really can’t talk right now, I think I lost my daughter today.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-covenant-school-shooting-suspect-identified-as-audrey-hale?ref=home

Well that checks out. She probably lost her son a long time ago. My mom lost me and I don’t know any trans people on good terms with their parents and I know a lot of other trans people. I’m sure someone out there exists but it seems pretty common to be completely estranged from one or both parents once you come out as trans. It just further isolates trans people if they don’t go out and try to find community and found family.

As the mother of a trans kid, I did not isolate my kid - my kid isolated me. Ask a question? PHOBIC!! Express a concern about treatment interfering with medicated conditions? PHOBIC! BIGOT! Spouse to me in private: "If you ask anything, our kid will commit suicide!" Me: "That sounds more like blackmail"

I’m sure your child has a completely different view of how you behaved. For most of the people I know, their estrangement is related to their family’s christianity. It’s certainly true in my case. I’m sure my mother makes herself the victim in my transition as well. It’s all about her. I harmed her by transitioning. She didn’t want me to do this. What became apparent over time was that to her, my body and my life was just an extension of her’s. I was nothing but an NPC in the story of her life. Your child being LGBTQ isn’t about you.

Not that poster, but trans teens/young adults are still teens/young adults. And they are self-centered, all the same. That's how humans are built. That's how we survive. But it can make for some rough relationships. I'm in my 50s and have had peers transition in their 30s and 40s and it looked much different than what teens are doing today. And their relationships with their immediate family are much healthier, likely because they were more mature when dealing with such a significant life change.

The shooter was 28, well beyond the magic age of 26 when the brain is supposed to be "done". This trans man seems to have had a vendetta. Why else would there be a manifesto?

If autism is present, it's a much longer journey. But I was speaking about a relationship with a parent, not a shooting.

I know a lot of trans people in their 30's and 40's. I'm one. None of us have good relationships with our parents. I know some people that still talk to their parents but even those aren't that common. One was told that she was afflicted with demonic possession by her catholic mother.

If not one has a good relationship with your parents, consider your own behavior as one of the reasons. My kid is being told to reject us, not the other way around.

Nobody is telling any kid to reject a supportive family member. Nobody. All you have are lies.

DP but I actually have a related experience in my family. My second cousin, whom I do not know very well, decided to transition from female to male. He sent an email to our entire extended family - probably like 30 or 40 email addresses - to announce his transition. The email was long and elf absorbed. About half the people responded with supportive messages. No one said anything unsupportive. My second cousin then sent a second email accusing the family as a whole of being transphobic and terrible people because - some - people failed to respond. No acknowledgement that maybe they just didn’t check their email or didn’t know him that well or felt like we were already innundated with repetitive supportive emails. He announced he was cutting himself off from the family. Mind you I’ve only met this person like five times in my life. It was so unnecessary. So I actually believe PP!

This.

I’m sick of the trans bashing in this thread—and I’m surprised Jeff allows it. Mass shooters have all kinds of different backgrounds and “issues”—why harp on the trans identity of this shooter and then try to tie it to your own negative impressions of trans people? This shooter has the same thing in common with all other shooters – – mental health problems combined with a desire to commit suicide.

I am tired of the trans bashing AND the really disparaging anti-Christian remarks. Some posters seem giddy that a church school was shot up because to them it proves there is no God and that Christians are hypocrites. I am also tired of the white shooter =they must have mental health issues.

This POS shooter was an incredibly evil, selfish person. That’s what people should be focusing on.

Focus on the guns & untreated mental health issues.

I don’t believe in the concept of “evil.”

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A source close to the Hale family told The Daily Beast on Monday night that Hale was autistic, but high-functioning.

“And relatively recently announced she was transgender, identifying as he/him,” the source said, asking to remain unnamed so as to avoid additional family strife.

Reached by phone, Hale’s mother, Norma Fort Hale, told an ABC News reporter, “It’s very difficult now, we ask for privacy. I really can’t talk right now, I think I lost my daughter today.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-covenant-school-shooting-suspect-identified-as-audrey-hale?ref=home

Well that checks out. She probably lost her son a long time ago. My mom lost me and I don’t know any trans people on good terms with their parents and I know a lot of other trans people. I’m sure someone out there exists but it seems pretty common to be completely estranged from one or both parents once you come out as trans. It just further isolates trans people if they don’t go out and try to find community and found family.

As the mother of a trans kid, I did not isolate my kid - my kid isolated me. Ask a question? PHOBIC!! Express a concern about treatment interfering with medicated conditions? PHOBIC! BIGOT! Spouse to me in private: "If you ask anything, our kid will commit suicide!" Me: "That sounds more like blackmail"

I’m sure your child has a completely different view of how you behaved. For most of the people I know, their estrangement is related to their family’s christianity. It’s certainly true in my case. I’m sure my mother makes herself the victim in my transition as well. It’s all about her. I harmed her by transitioning. She didn’t want me to do this. What became apparent over time was that to her, my body and my life was just an extension of her’s. I was nothing but an NPC in the story of her life. Your child being LGBTQ isn’t about you.

Not that poster, but trans teens/young adults are still teens/young adults. And they are self-centered, all the same. That's how humans are built. That's how we survive. But it can make for some rough relationships. I'm in my 50s and have had peers transition in their 30s and 40s and it looked much different than what teens are doing today. And their relationships with their immediate family are much healthier, likely because they were more mature when dealing with such a significant life change.

The shooter was 28, well beyond the magic age of 26 when the brain is supposed to be "done". This trans man seems to have had a vendetta. Why else would there be a manifesto?

If autism is present, it's a much longer journey. But I was speaking about a relationship with a parent, not a shooting.

I know a lot of trans people in their 30's and 40's. I'm one. None of us have good relationships with our parents. I know some people that still talk to their parents but even those aren't that common. One was told that she was afflicted with demonic possession by her catholic mother.

If not one has a good relationship with your parents, consider your own behavior as one of the reasons. My kid is being told to reject us, not the other way around.

Nobody is telling any kid to reject a supportive family member. Nobody. All you have are lies.

DP but I actually have a related experience in my family. My second cousin, whom I do not know very well, decided to transition from female to male. He sent an email to our entire extended family - probably like 30 or 40 email addresses - to announce his transition. The email was long and elf absorbed. About half the people responded with supportive messages. No one said anything unsupportive. My second cousin then sent a second email accusing the family as a whole of being transphobic and terrible people because - some - people failed to respond. No acknowledgement that maybe they just didn’t check their email or didn’t know him that well or felt like we were already innundated with repetitive supportive emails. He announced he was cutting himself off from the family. Mind you I’ve only met this person like five times in my life. It was so unnecessary. So I actually believe PP!

This.

I’m sick of the trans bashing in this thread—and I’m surprised Jeff allows it. Mass shooters have all kinds of different backgrounds and “issues”—why harp on the trans identity of this shooter and then try to tie it to your own negative impressions of trans people? This shooter has the same thing in common with all other shooters – – mental health problems combined with a desire to commit suicide.

I am tired of the trans bashing AND the really disparaging anti-Christian remarks. Some posters seem giddy that a church school was shot up because to them it proves there is no God and that Christians are hypocrites. I am also tired of the white shooter =they must have mental health issues.

This POS shooter was an incredibly evil, selfish person. That’s what people should be focusing on.

Yes that sounds really productive. He must’ve had a tainted soul. Or something like that.

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A source close to the Hale family told The Daily Beast on Monday night that Hale was autistic, but high-functioning.

“And relatively recently announced she was transgender, identifying as he/him,” the source said, asking to remain unnamed so as to avoid additional family strife.

Reached by phone, Hale’s mother, Norma Fort Hale, told an ABC News reporter, “It’s very difficult now, we ask for privacy. I really can’t talk right now, I think I lost my daughter today.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-covenant-school-shooting-suspect-identified-as-audrey-hale?ref=home

Well that checks out. She probably lost her son a long time ago. My mom lost me and I don’t know any trans people on good terms with their parents and I know a lot of other trans people. I’m sure someone out there exists but it seems pretty common to be completely estranged from one or both parents once you come out as trans. It just further isolates trans people if they don’t go out and try to find community and found family.

As the mother of a trans kid, I did not isolate my kid - my kid isolated me. Ask a question? PHOBIC!! Express a concern about treatment interfering with medicated conditions? PHOBIC! BIGOT! Spouse to me in private: "If you ask anything, our kid will commit suicide!" Me: "That sounds more like blackmail"

I’m sure your child has a completely different view of how you behaved. For most of the people I know, their estrangement is related to their family’s christianity. It’s certainly true in my case. I’m sure my mother makes herself the victim in my transition as well. It’s all about her. I harmed her by transitioning. She didn’t want me to do this. What became apparent over time was that to her, my body and my life was just an extension of her’s. I was nothing but an NPC in the story of her life. Your child being LGBTQ isn’t about you.

Not that poster, but trans teens/young adults are still teens/young adults. And they are self-centered, all the same. That's how humans are built. That's how we survive. But it can make for some rough relationships. I'm in my 50s and have had peers transition in their 30s and 40s and it looked much different than what teens are doing today. And their relationships with their immediate family are much healthier, likely because they were more mature when dealing with such a significant life change.

The shooter was 28, well beyond the magic age of 26 when the brain is supposed to be "done". This trans man seems to have had a vendetta. Why else would there be a manifesto?

If autism is present, it's a much longer journey. But I was speaking about a relationship with a parent, not a shooting.

I know a lot of trans people in their 30's and 40's. I'm one. None of us have good relationships with our parents. I know some people that still talk to their parents but even those aren't that common. One was told that she was afflicted with demonic possession by her catholic mother.

If not one has a good relationship with your parents, consider your own behavior as one of the reasons. My kid is being told to reject us, not the other way around.

Nobody is telling any kid to reject a supportive family member. Nobody. All you have are lies.

DP but I actually have a related experience in my family. My second cousin, whom I do not know very well, decided to transition from female to male. He sent an email to our entire extended family - probably like 30 or 40 email addresses - to announce his transition. The email was long and elf absorbed. About half the people responded with supportive messages. No one said anything unsupportive. My second cousin then sent a second email accusing the family as a whole of being transphobic and terrible people because - some - people failed to respond. No acknowledgement that maybe they just didn’t check their email or didn’t know him that well or felt like we were already innundated with repetitive supportive emails. He announced he was cutting himself off from the family. Mind you I’ve only met this person like five times in my life. It was so unnecessary. So I actually believe PP!

This.

I’m sick of the trans bashing in this thread—and I’m surprised Jeff allows it. Mass shooters have all kinds of different backgrounds and “issues”—why harp on the trans identity of this shooter and then try to tie it to your own negative impressions of trans people? This shooter has the same thing in common with all other shooters – – mental health problems combined with a desire to commit suicide.

Mental health for trans people is an important topic and relevant to the shooting.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6663089/

They have a much higher rate of mental illness than the general population at large due to lack of acceptance by others. This rarely seems to result in violence to others though and instead self harm.

That is your opinion.
I believe the question here is which came first... the chicken or the egg.
Do they suffer from mental illness as a result of their transition, or was the mental illness the cause of their transition?
I would argue that in the 1900's, the black population suffered a greater lack of acceptance, but they did not suffer from a higher rate of mental illness.
So I am not willing to attribute their mental illness to a lack of acceptance. I believe it is much deeper and is something that was in place long before they decided to transition.

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A source close to the Hale family told The Daily Beast on Monday night that Hale was autistic, but high-functioning.

“And relatively recently announced she was transgender, identifying as he/him,” the source said, asking to remain unnamed so as to avoid additional family strife.

Reached by phone, Hale’s mother, Norma Fort Hale, told an ABC News reporter, “It’s very difficult now, we ask for privacy. I really can’t talk right now, I think I lost my daughter today.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-covenant-school-shooting-suspect-identified-as-audrey-hale?ref=home

Well that checks out. She probably lost her son a long time ago. My mom lost me and I don’t know any trans people on good terms with their parents and I know a lot of other trans people. I’m sure someone out there exists but it seems pretty common to be completely estranged from one or both parents once you come out as trans. It just further isolates trans people if they don’t go out and try to find community and found family.

As the mother of a trans kid, I did not isolate my kid - my kid isolated me. Ask a question? PHOBIC!! Express a concern about treatment interfering with medicated conditions? PHOBIC! BIGOT! Spouse to me in private: "If you ask anything, our kid will commit suicide!" Me: "That sounds more like blackmail"

I’m sure your child has a completely different view of how you behaved. For most of the people I know, their estrangement is related to their family’s christianity. It’s certainly true in my case. I’m sure my mother makes herself the victim in my transition as well. It’s all about her. I harmed her by transitioning. She didn’t want me to do this. What became apparent over time was that to her, my body and my life was just an extension of her’s. I was nothing but an NPC in the story of her life. Your child being LGBTQ isn’t about you.

Not that poster, but trans teens/young adults are still teens/young adults. And they are self-centered, all the same. That's how humans are built. That's how we survive. But it can make for some rough relationships. I'm in my 50s and have had peers transition in their 30s and 40s and it looked much different than what teens are doing today. And their relationships with their immediate family are much healthier, likely because they were more mature when dealing with such a significant life change.

The shooter was 28, well beyond the magic age of 26 when the brain is supposed to be "done". This trans man seems to have had a vendetta. Why else would there be a manifesto?

If autism is present, it's a much longer journey. But I was speaking about a relationship with a parent, not a shooting.

I know a lot of trans people in their 30's and 40's. I'm one. None of us have good relationships with our parents. I know some people that still talk to their parents but even those aren't that common. One was told that she was afflicted with demonic possession by her catholic mother.

If not one has a good relationship with your parents, consider your own behavior as one of the reasons. My kid is being told to reject us, not the other way around.

Nobody is telling any kid to reject a supportive family member. Nobody. All you have are lies.

DP but I actually have a related experience in my family. My second cousin, whom I do not know very well, decided to transition from female to male. He sent an email to our entire extended family - probably like 30 or 40 email addresses - to announce his transition. The email was long and elf absorbed. About half the people responded with supportive messages. No one said anything unsupportive. My second cousin then sent a second email accusing the family as a whole of being transphobic and terrible people because - some - people failed to respond. No acknowledgement that maybe they just didn’t check their email or didn’t know him that well or felt like we were already innundated with repetitive supportive emails. He announced he was cutting himself off from the family. Mind you I’ve only met this person like five times in my life. It was so unnecessary. So I actually believe PP!

This.

I’m sick of the trans bashing in this thread—and I’m surprised Jeff allows it. Mass shooters have all kinds of different backgrounds and “issues”—why harp on the trans identity of this shooter and then try to tie it to your own negative impressions of trans people? This shooter has the same thing in common with all other shooters – – mental health problems combined with a desire to commit suicide.

I am tired of the trans bashing AND the really disparaging anti-Christian remarks. Some posters seem giddy that a church school was shot up because to them it proves there is no God and that Christians are hypocrites. I am also tired of the white shooter =they must have mental health issues.

This POS shooter was an incredibly evil, selfish person. That’s what people should be focusing on.

Toddler level analysis.

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A source close to the Hale family told The Daily Beast on Monday night that Hale was autistic, but high-functioning.

“And relatively recently announced she was transgender, identifying as he/him,” the source said, asking to remain unnamed so as to avoid additional family strife.

Reached by phone, Hale’s mother, Norma Fort Hale, told an ABC News reporter, “It’s very difficult now, we ask for privacy. I really can’t talk right now, I think I lost my daughter today.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-covenant-school-shooting-suspect-identified-as-audrey-hale?ref=home

Well that checks out. She probably lost her son a long time ago. My mom lost me and I don’t know any trans people on good terms with their parents and I know a lot of other trans people. I’m sure someone out there exists but it seems pretty common to be completely estranged from one or both parents once you come out as trans. It just further isolates trans people if they don’t go out and try to find community and found family.

As the mother of a trans kid, I did not isolate my kid - my kid isolated me. Ask a question? PHOBIC!! Express a concern about treatment interfering with medicated conditions? PHOBIC! BIGOT! Spouse to me in private: "If you ask anything, our kid will commit suicide!" Me: "That sounds more like blackmail"

I’m sure your child has a completely different view of how you behaved. For most of the people I know, their estrangement is related to their family’s christianity. It’s certainly true in my case. I’m sure my mother makes herself the victim in my transition as well. It’s all about her. I harmed her by transitioning. She didn’t want me to do this. What became apparent over time was that to her, my body and my life was just an extension of her’s. I was nothing but an NPC in the story of her life. Your child being LGBTQ isn’t about you.

Not that poster, but trans teens/young adults are still teens/young adults. And they are self-centered, all the same. That's how humans are built. That's how we survive. But it can make for some rough relationships. I'm in my 50s and have had peers transition in their 30s and 40s and it looked much different than what teens are doing today. And their relationships with their immediate family are much healthier, likely because they were more mature when dealing with such a significant life change.

The shooter was 28, well beyond the magic age of 26 when the brain is supposed to be "done". This trans man seems to have had a vendetta. Why else would there be a manifesto?

If autism is present, it's a much longer journey. But I was speaking about a relationship with a parent, not a shooting.

I know a lot of trans people in their 30's and 40's. I'm one. None of us have good relationships with our parents. I know some people that still talk to their parents but even those aren't that common. One was told that she was afflicted with demonic possession by her catholic mother.

If not one has a good relationship with your parents, consider your own behavior as one of the reasons. My kid is being told to reject us, not the other way around.

Nobody is telling any kid to reject a supportive family member. Nobody. All you have are lies.

DP but I actually have a related experience in my family. My second cousin, whom I do not know very well, decided to transition from female to male. He sent an email to our entire extended family - probably like 30 or 40 email addresses - to announce his transition. The email was long and elf absorbed. About half the people responded with supportive messages. No one said anything unsupportive. My second cousin then sent a second email accusing the family as a whole of being transphobic and terrible people because - some - people failed to respond. No acknowledgement that maybe they just didn’t check their email or didn’t know him that well or felt like we were already innundated with repetitive supportive emails. He announced he was cutting himself off from the family. Mind you I’ve only met this person like five times in my life. It was so unnecessary. So I actually believe PP!

This.

I’m sick of the trans bashing in this thread—and I’m surprised Jeff allows it. Mass shooters have all kinds of different backgrounds and “issues”—why harp on the trans identity of this shooter and then try to tie it to your own negative impressions of trans people? This shooter has the same thing in common with all other shooters – – mental health problems combined with a desire to commit suicide.

You know what else is a common factor with all the shooters? They had access to an assault weapon. Fix that FIRST while helping fix mental health.

We also have many people who have committed mass murders with knives, with cars, or even with poisoning.
These people are emotionally and mentally unstable.

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Anonymous wrote:I was disheartened watching CBS This Morning who did not mention once -- across all segments -- that the shooter was trans.

Is this not a newsworthy piece of information when a Christian school in a red state that is persecuting trans people is shot up?

What conceivable reason would CBS have not to report this critical detail, other than the fact that it doesn't fit their narrative? I'm an MSNBC viewer, but GD if this doesn't seem like bad journalism for the sake of being woke.

Persecuting? How?
Because they want to protect children from life-altering surgery?

you mean life affirming.

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A source close to the Hale family told The Daily Beast on Monday night that Hale was autistic, but high-functioning.

“And relatively recently announced she was transgender, identifying as he/him,” the source said, asking to remain unnamed so as to avoid additional family strife.

Reached by phone, Hale’s mother, Norma Fort Hale, told an ABC News reporter, “It’s very difficult now, we ask for privacy. I really can’t talk right now, I think I lost my daughter today.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-covenant-school-shooting-suspect-identified-as-audrey-hale?ref=home

Well that checks out. She probably lost her son a long time ago. My mom lost me and I don’t know any trans people on good terms with their parents and I know a lot of other trans people. I’m sure someone out there exists but it seems pretty common to be completely estranged from one or both parents once you come out as trans. It just further isolates trans people if they don’t go out and try to find community and found family.

As the mother of a trans kid, I did not isolate my kid - my kid isolated me. Ask a question? PHOBIC!! Express a concern about treatment interfering with medicated conditions? PHOBIC! BIGOT! Spouse to me in private: "If you ask anything, our kid will commit suicide!" Me: "That sounds more like blackmail"

I’m sure your child has a completely different view of how you behaved. For most of the people I know, their estrangement is related to their family’s christianity. It’s certainly true in my case. I’m sure my mother makes herself the victim in my transition as well. It’s all about her. I harmed her by transitioning. She didn’t want me to do this. What became apparent over time was that to her, my body and my life was just an extension of her’s. I was nothing but an NPC in the story of her life. Your child being LGBTQ isn’t about you.

Not that poster, but trans teens/young adults are still teens/young adults. And they are self-centered, all the same. That's how humans are built. That's how we survive. But it can make for some rough relationships. I'm in my 50s and have had peers transition in their 30s and 40s and it looked much different than what teens are doing today. And their relationships with their immediate family are much healthier, likely because they were more mature when dealing with such a significant life change.

The shooter was 28, well beyond the magic age of 26 when the brain is supposed to be "done". This trans man seems to have had a vendetta. Why else would there be a manifesto?

If autism is present, it's a much longer journey. But I was speaking about a relationship with a parent, not a shooting.

I know a lot of trans people in their 30's and 40's. I'm one. None of us have good relationships with our parents. I know some people that still talk to their parents but even those aren't that common. One was told that she was afflicted with demonic possession by her catholic mother.

If not one has a good relationship with your parents, consider your own behavior as one of the reasons. My kid is being told to reject us, not the other way around.

Nobody is telling any kid to reject a supportive family member. Nobody. All you have are lies.

DP but I actually have a related experience in my family. My second cousin, whom I do not know very well, decided to transition from female to male. He sent an email to our entire extended family - probably like 30 or 40 email addresses - to announce his transition. The email was long and elf absorbed. About half the people responded with supportive messages. No one said anything unsupportive. My second cousin then sent a second email accusing the family as a whole of being transphobic and terrible people because - some - people failed to respond. No acknowledgement that maybe they just didn’t check their email or didn’t know him that well or felt like we were already innundated with repetitive supportive emails. He announced he was cutting himself off from the family. Mind you I’ve only met this person like five times in my life. It was so unnecessary. So I actually believe PP!

This.

I’m sick of the trans bashing in this thread—and I’m surprised Jeff allows it. Mass shooters have all kinds of different backgrounds and “issues”—why harp on the trans identity of this shooter and then try to tie it to your own negative impressions of trans people? This shooter has the same thing in common with all other shooters – – mental health problems combined with a desire to commit suicide.

PP here- Its relevant because its a possible (likely) motive for the shooting. A conservative school that likely didn't support this student in the way they thought they should be supported. In a state that is make life hell for trans people. Its as relevant as any other motive, why bury it? I'm guessing you don't have an issue around reporting when a white supremicist shoots up a Black church? Its just seems like disingenuious reporting by a serious new outlet.

why do you think the school was conservative? It is presbytarian...

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Anonymous wrote:I was disheartened watching CBS This Morning who did not mention once -- across all segments -- that the shooter was trans.

Is this not a newsworthy piece of information when a Christian school in a red state that is persecuting trans people is shot up?

What conceivable reason would CBS have not to report this critical detail, other than the fact that it doesn't fit their narrative? I'm an MSNBC viewer, but GD if this doesn't seem like bad journalism for the sake of being woke.

Persecuting? How?
Because they want to protect children from life-altering surgery? Or, because they don't believe children should be attending risqué drag shows?

PP here. I hear you. Its complicated. While I think a previously rare identity is becoming suspiciously common, there are also legitimate reasons to transition before the age of 18. I have a trans sibling who did not begin transitioning until they were in their 20s and they won't ever look or "pass" the way they would like because puberty unfolded. But I hear you, I think there needs to be a LOT more vetting of these kids, many of whom are mistaking straight up adolescent malaise for gender dysphoria. Banning ALL gender affirming care in the state of Tennessee is persecution. Its dangerous. It sucks.

As for drag shows, I think taking your kid is dumb in the same way taking your kid to a gun show is dumb. Some parents lack judgement. Should we legislate it? No.

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A source close to the Hale family told The Daily Beast on Monday night that Hale was autistic, but high-functioning.

“And relatively recently announced she was transgender, identifying as he/him,” the source said, asking to remain unnamed so as to avoid additional family strife.

Reached by phone, Hale’s mother, Norma Fort Hale, told an ABC News reporter, “It’s very difficult now, we ask for privacy. I really can’t talk right now, I think I lost my daughter today.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-covenant-school-shooting-suspect-identified-as-audrey-hale?ref=home

Well that checks out. She probably lost her son a long time ago. My mom lost me and I don’t know any trans people on good terms with their parents and I know a lot of other trans people. I’m sure someone out there exists but it seems pretty common to be completely estranged from one or both parents once you come out as trans. It just further isolates trans people if they don’t go out and try to find community and found family.

As the mother of a trans kid, I did not isolate my kid - my kid isolated me. Ask a question? PHOBIC!! Express a concern about treatment interfering with medicated conditions? PHOBIC! BIGOT! Spouse to me in private: "If you ask anything, our kid will commit suicide!" Me: "That sounds more like blackmail"

I’m sure your child has a completely different view of how you behaved. For most of the people I know, their estrangement is related to their family’s christianity. It’s certainly true in my case. I’m sure my mother makes herself the victim in my transition as well. It’s all about her. I harmed her by transitioning. She didn’t want me to do this. What became apparent over time was that to her, my body and my life was just an extension of her’s. I was nothing but an NPC in the story of her life. Your child being LGBTQ isn’t about you.

Not that poster, but trans teens/young adults are still teens/young adults. And they are self-centered, all the same. That's how humans are built. That's how we survive. But it can make for some rough relationships. I'm in my 50s and have had peers transition in their 30s and 40s and it looked much different than what teens are doing today. And their relationships with their immediate family are much healthier, likely because they were more mature when dealing with such a significant life change.

The shooter was 28, well beyond the magic age of 26 when the brain is supposed to be "done". This trans man seems to have had a vendetta. Why else would there be a manifesto?

If autism is present, it's a much longer journey. But I was speaking about a relationship with a parent, not a shooting.

I know a lot of trans people in their 30's and 40's. I'm one. None of us have good relationships with our parents. I know some people that still talk to their parents but even those aren't that common. One was told that she was afflicted with demonic possession by her catholic mother.

If not one has a good relationship with your parents, consider your own behavior as one of the reasons. My kid is being told to reject us, not the other way around.

Nobody is telling any kid to reject a supportive family member. Nobody. All you have are lies.

DP but I actually have a related experience in my family. My second cousin, whom I do not know very well, decided to transition from female to male. He sent an email to our entire extended family - probably like 30 or 40 email addresses - to announce his transition. The email was long and elf absorbed. About half the people responded with supportive messages. No one said anything unsupportive. My second cousin then sent a second email accusing the family as a whole of being transphobic and terrible people because - some - people failed to respond. No acknowledgement that maybe they just didn’t check their email or didn’t know him that well or felt like we were already innundated with repetitive supportive emails. He announced he was cutting himself off from the family. Mind you I’ve only met this person like five times in my life. It was so unnecessary. So I actually believe PP!

This.

I’m sick of the trans bashing in this thread—and I’m surprised Jeff allows it. Mass shooters have all kinds of different backgrounds and “issues”—why harp on the trans identity of this shooter and then try to tie it to your own negative impressions of trans people? This shooter has the same thing in common with all other shooters – – mental health problems combined with a desire to commit suicide.

You know what else is a common factor with all the shooters? They had access to an assault weapon. Fix that FIRST while helping fix mental health.

We also have many people who have committed mass murders with knives, with cars, or even with poisoning.
These people are emotionally and mentally unstable.

Add the numbers up and tell us what the comparison is. Guns vs knives, for example. How many deaths by each in the past year?

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A source close to the Hale family told The Daily Beast on Monday night that Hale was autistic, but high-functioning.

“And relatively recently announced she was transgender, identifying as he/him,” the source said, asking to remain unnamed so as to avoid additional family strife.

Reached by phone, Hale’s mother, Norma Fort Hale, told an ABC News reporter, “It’s very difficult now, we ask for privacy. I really can’t talk right now, I think I lost my daughter today.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-covenant-school-shooting-suspect-identified-as-audrey-hale?ref=home

Well that checks out. She probably lost her son a long time ago. My mom lost me and I don’t know any trans people on good terms with their parents and I know a lot of other trans people. I’m sure someone out there exists but it seems pretty common to be completely estranged from one or both parents once you come out as trans. It just further isolates trans people if they don’t go out and try to find community and found family.

As the mother of a trans kid, I did not isolate my kid - my kid isolated me. Ask a question? PHOBIC!! Express a concern about treatment interfering with medicated conditions? PHOBIC! BIGOT! Spouse to me in private: "If you ask anything, our kid will commit suicide!" Me: "That sounds more like blackmail"

I’m sure your child has a completely different view of how you behaved. For most of the people I know, their estrangement is related to their family’s christianity. It’s certainly true in my case. I’m sure my mother makes herself the victim in my transition as well. It’s all about her. I harmed her by transitioning. She didn’t want me to do this. What became apparent over time was that to her, my body and my life was just an extension of her’s. I was nothing but an NPC in the story of her life. Your child being LGBTQ isn’t about you.

Not that poster, but trans teens/young adults are still teens/young adults. And they are self-centered, all the same. That's how humans are built. That's how we survive. But it can make for some rough relationships. I'm in my 50s and have had peers transition in their 30s and 40s and it looked much different than what teens are doing today. And their relationships with their immediate family are much healthier, likely because they were more mature when dealing with such a significant life change.

The shooter was 28, well beyond the magic age of 26 when the brain is supposed to be "done". This trans man seems to have had a vendetta. Why else would there be a manifesto?

If autism is present, it's a much longer journey. But I was speaking about a relationship with a parent, not a shooting.

I know a lot of trans people in their 30's and 40's. I'm one. None of us have good relationships with our parents. I know some people that still talk to their parents but even those aren't that common. One was told that she was afflicted with demonic possession by her catholic mother.

If not one has a good relationship with your parents, consider your own behavior as one of the reasons. My kid is being told to reject us, not the other way around.

Nobody is telling any kid to reject a supportive family member. Nobody. All you have are lies.

DP but I actually have a related experience in my family. My second cousin, whom I do not know very well, decided to transition from female to male. He sent an email to our entire extended family - probably like 30 or 40 email addresses - to announce his transition. The email was long and elf absorbed. About half the people responded with supportive messages. No one said anything unsupportive. My second cousin then sent a second email accusing the family as a whole of being transphobic and terrible people because - some - people failed to respond. No acknowledgement that maybe they just didn’t check their email or didn’t know him that well or felt like we were already innundated with repetitive supportive emails. He announced he was cutting himself off from the family. Mind you I’ve only met this person like five times in my life. It was so unnecessary. So I actually believe PP!

This.

I’m sick of the trans bashing in this thread—and I’m surprised Jeff allows it. Mass shooters have all kinds of different backgrounds and “issues”—why harp on the trans identity of this shooter and then try to tie it to your own negative impressions of trans people? This shooter has the same thing in common with all other shooters – – mental health problems combined with a desire to commit suicide.

PP here- Its relevant because its a possible (likely) motive for the shooting. A conservative school that likely didn't support this student in the way they thought they should be supported. In a state that is make life hell for trans people. Its as relevant as any other motive, why bury it? I'm guessing you don't have an issue around reporting when a white supremicist shoots up a Black church? Its just seems like disingenuious reporting by a serious new outlet.

Seems like you are justifying the shooter’s actions. Dude, no.

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Note: the footage released by police does not contain any explicit footage.

This is bone-chilling. No one needs a gun like that. How utterly ridiculous.

Watching this makes me want to throw up.

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A source close to the Hale family told The Daily Beast on Monday night that Hale was autistic, but high-functioning.

“And relatively recently announced she was transgender, identifying as he/him,” the source said, asking to remain unnamed so as to avoid additional family strife.

Reached by phone, Hale’s mother, Norma Fort Hale, told an ABC News reporter, “It’s very difficult now, we ask for privacy. I really can’t talk right now, I think I lost my daughter today.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-covenant-school-shooting-suspect-identified-as-audrey-hale?ref=home

Well that checks out. She probably lost her son a long time ago. My mom lost me and I don’t know any trans people on good terms with their parents and I know a lot of other trans people. I’m sure someone out there exists but it seems pretty common to be completely estranged from one or both parents once you come out as trans. It just further isolates trans people if they don’t go out and try to find community and found family.

As the mother of a trans kid, I did not isolate my kid - my kid isolated me. Ask a question? PHOBIC!! Express a concern about treatment interfering with medicated conditions? PHOBIC! BIGOT! Spouse to me in private: "If you ask anything, our kid will commit suicide!" Me: "That sounds more like blackmail"

I’m sure your child has a completely different view of how you behaved. For most of the people I know, their estrangement is related to their family’s christianity. It’s certainly true in my case. I’m sure my mother makes herself the victim in my transition as well. It’s all about her. I harmed her by transitioning. She didn’t want me to do this. What became apparent over time was that to her, my body and my life was just an extension of her’s. I was nothing but an NPC in the story of her life. Your child being LGBTQ isn’t about you.

Not that poster, but trans teens/young adults are still teens/young adults. And they are self-centered, all the same. That's how humans are built. That's how we survive. But it can make for some rough relationships. I'm in my 50s and have had peers transition in their 30s and 40s and it looked much different than what teens are doing today. And their relationships with their immediate family are much healthier, likely because they were more mature when dealing with such a significant life change.

The shooter was 28, well beyond the magic age of 26 when the brain is supposed to be "done". This trans man seems to have had a vendetta. Why else would there be a manifesto?

If autism is present, it's a much longer journey. But I was speaking about a relationship with a parent, not a shooting.

I know a lot of trans people in their 30's and 40's. I'm one. None of us have good relationships with our parents. I know some people that still talk to their parents but even those aren't that common. One was told that she was afflicted with demonic possession by her catholic mother.

If not one has a good relationship with your parents, consider your own behavior as one of the reasons. My kid is being told to reject us, not the other way around.

Nobody is telling any kid to reject a supportive family member. Nobody. All you have are lies.

DP but I actually have a related experience in my family. My second cousin, whom I do not know very well, decided to transition from female to male. He sent an email to our entire extended family - probably like 30 or 40 email addresses - to announce his transition. The email was long and elf absorbed. About half the people responded with supportive messages. No one said anything unsupportive. My second cousin then sent a second email accusing the family as a whole of being transphobic and terrible people because - some - people failed to respond. No acknowledgement that maybe they just didn’t check their email or didn’t know him that well or felt like we were already innundated with repetitive supportive emails. He announced he was cutting himself off from the family. Mind you I’ve only met this person like five times in my life. It was so unnecessary. So I actually believe PP!

This.

I’m sick of the trans bashing in this thread—and I’m surprised Jeff allows it. Mass shooters have all kinds of different backgrounds and “issues”—why harp on the trans identity of this shooter and then try to tie it to your own negative impressions of trans people? This shooter has the same thing in common with all other shooters – – mental health problems combined with a desire to commit suicide.

PP here- Its relevant because its a possible (likely) motive for the shooting. A conservative school that likely didn't support this student in the way they thought they should be supported. In a state that is make life hell for trans people. Its as relevant as any other motive, why bury it? I'm guessing you don't have an issue around reporting when a white supremicist shoots up a Black church? Its just seems like disingenuious reporting by a serious new outlet.

Seems like you are justifying the shooter’s actions. Dude, no.

We are allowed to investigate their motives. Screaming “they’re evil!” isn’t going to do anything to prevent further violence.

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A source close to the Hale family told The Daily Beast on Monday night that Hale was autistic, but high-functioning.

“And relatively recently announced she was transgender, identifying as he/him,” the source said, asking to remain unnamed so as to avoid additional family strife.

Reached by phone, Hale’s mother, Norma Fort Hale, told an ABC News reporter, “It’s very difficult now, we ask for privacy. I really can’t talk right now, I think I lost my daughter today.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-covenant-school-shooting-suspect-identified-as-audrey-hale?ref=home

Well that checks out. She probably lost her son a long time ago. My mom lost me and I don’t know any trans people on good terms with their parents and I know a lot of other trans people. I’m sure someone out there exists but it seems pretty common to be completely estranged from one or both parents once you come out as trans. It just further isolates trans people if they don’t go out and try to find community and found family.

As the mother of a trans kid, I did not isolate my kid - my kid isolated me. Ask a question? PHOBIC!! Express a concern about treatment interfering with medicated conditions? PHOBIC! BIGOT! Spouse to me in private: "If you ask anything, our kid will commit suicide!" Me: "That sounds more like blackmail"

I’m sure your child has a completely different view of how you behaved. For most of the people I know, their estrangement is related to their family’s christianity. It’s certainly true in my case. I’m sure my mother makes herself the victim in my transition as well. It’s all about her. I harmed her by transitioning. She didn’t want me to do this. What became apparent over time was that to her, my body and my life was just an extension of her’s. I was nothing but an NPC in the story of her life. Your child being LGBTQ isn’t about you.

Not that poster, but trans teens/young adults are still teens/young adults. And they are self-centered, all the same. That's how humans are built. That's how we survive. But it can make for some rough relationships. I'm in my 50s and have had peers transition in their 30s and 40s and it looked much different than what teens are doing today. And their relationships with their immediate family are much healthier, likely because they were more mature when dealing with such a significant life change.

The shooter was 28, well beyond the magic age of 26 when the brain is supposed to be "done". This trans man seems to have had a vendetta. Why else would there be a manifesto?

If autism is present, it's a much longer journey. But I was speaking about a relationship with a parent, not a shooting.

I know a lot of trans people in their 30's and 40's. I'm one. None of us have good relationships with our parents. I know some people that still talk to their parents but even those aren't that common. One was told that she was afflicted with demonic possession by her catholic mother.

If not one has a good relationship with your parents, consider your own behavior as one of the reasons. My kid is being told to reject us, not the other way around.

Nobody is telling any kid to reject a supportive family member. Nobody. All you have are lies.

DP but I actually have a related experience in my family. My second cousin, whom I do not know very well, decided to transition from female to male. He sent an email to our entire extended family - probably like 30 or 40 email addresses - to announce his transition. The email was long and elf absorbed. About half the people responded with supportive messages. No one said anything unsupportive. My second cousin then sent a second email accusing the family as a whole of being transphobic and terrible people because - some - people failed to respond. No acknowledgement that maybe they just didn’t check their email or didn’t know him that well or felt like we were already innundated with repetitive supportive emails. He announced he was cutting himself off from the family. Mind you I’ve only met this person like five times in my life. It was so unnecessary. So I actually believe PP!

I kinda believe PP, too. My experience - I don't have any family members who transitioned but I do know some high school students who transitioned. Majority have autism/on the spectrum/have some other types of mental health issues. Their brains are just wired very differently. You can't necessarily reason with them the same way you could a neurotypical person. They see things differently and because they are rigid, aren't as open to other viewpoints.

Are you trying to argue with trans people about their gender identity? If I were to argue with you that you should transition even though you feel comfortable as you are, I don’t think I’d call you rigid or inflexible.

That being said, there are a lot of autistic trans people. I’m neurotypical and they definitely process things differently than I do. I don’t think that makes them not trans though.

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More restrictive gun laws work. The GOP is full of sh*t.

"More armed guards!" Armed security guard failed in Buffalo grocery store. Armed school resource officer failed in Florida. Armed police afraid to enter school in Ulvade.

"Locked doors!" Failed in Tennessee.

"Mental illness!" GOP blocks mental illness support bills

And then this. The fact that mass shootings are clearly more likely to happen in states with less restrictive gun laws.



https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/364/bmj.l542.full.pdf