ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Being the youngest isn't always easy. The new soccer rules will allow them a chance to be the oldest.

Making the conscious choice to be the youngest at a big soccer club would be a huge, unnecessary risk.

I agree its a tough call.

The sooner Aug players get used to playing up with their correct grade the better off they'll be when it comes time for college recruiting.

Or hold them back in school and align the level they're playing in club with their grade in school that way.

Eastside and college coaches said misaligned doesn't matter. But switching age groups or teams beyond say age 14 isn't that big of a deal and rosters at the better teams flip over so much anyway.

Whats crazy is you just strait lie.

When you talk about rae one of your justifications is that older players get on teams first and therefore younger players cant get onto them.

Then you completely jump over that statement and say that switching teams when youre older is no big deal.

RAE benefits are cumulative or persistent.

It's not that nuance is lost on you, it's that you are trying to ignore logic to suite your bias.

Got it, selective rae

I can totally see how you can use rae as a tool for snowplowing your kid onto an A team that they normally wouldn't qualify for. And best of all if things dont work out its raes fault.

How selective?

So selective that you use rae when it can give you something you want. Then pretend like rae doesnt exist when it doesnt get you something you want.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

Correct response!

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Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

Correct response!

Note that it had nothing to do with wanting to play in college. Expect kids who want to play with friends will pick that. It's why each case is unique and August has latitude and isn't forced to play up.

You celebrating one kid wanting to play with friends and in high school is telling how much you want that August girl off your DDs team.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Being the youngest isn't always easy. The new soccer rules will allow them a chance to be the oldest.

Making the conscious choice to be the youngest at a big soccer club would be a huge, unnecessary risk.

I agree its a tough call.

The sooner Aug players get used to playing up with their correct grade the better off they'll be when it comes time for college recruiting.

Or hold them back in school and align the level they're playing in club with their grade in school that way.

Eastside and college coaches said misaligned doesn't matter. But switching age groups or teams beyond say age 14 isn't that big of a deal and rosters at the better teams flip over so much anyway.

Whats crazy is you just strait lie.

When you talk about rae one of your justifications is that older players get on teams first and therefore younger players cant get onto them.

Then you completely jump over that statement and say that switching teams when youre older is no big deal.

RAE benefits are cumulative or persistent.

It's not that nuance is lost on you, it's that you are trying to ignore logic to suite your bias.

Got it, selective rae

I can totally see how you can use rae as a tool for snowplowing your kid onto an A team that they normally wouldn't qualify for. And best of all if things dont work out its raes fault.

How selective?

So selective that you use rae when it can give you something you want. Then pretend like rae doesnt exist when it doesnt get you something you want.

Where did I say RAE doesn't exist? It is something you cumulatively build up over childhood. It's what the science says. You can't be that stupid, can you?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

Correct response!

Note that it had nothing to do with wanting to play in college. Expect kids who want to play with friends will pick that. It's why each case is unique and August has latitude and isn't forced to play up.

You celebrating one kid wanting to play with friends and in high school is telling how much you want that August girl off your DDs team.

So your saying that there's MORE reasons for playing with your grade that just college recruiting? Wow amazing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

This is a smart play for rec where the teams aren't picked so much as made up of a group of friends. Glad the kid can find the right path to enjoy the beautiful game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

Correct response!

Note that it had nothing to do with wanting to play in college. Expect kids who want to play with friends will pick that. It's why each case is unique and August has latitude and isn't forced to play up.

You celebrating one kid wanting to play with friends and in high school is telling how much you want that August girl off your DDs team.

So your saying that there's MORE reasons for playing with your grade that just college recruiting? Wow amazing

Two reasons to play in grade, one because it matches your age group and two, to play with buds in rec. You can pick your own world in rec and have fun.

https://www.eastsidefc.or.../agegroups

"The new two-year age group structure will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential—not the exact age grouping of their club team."

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

This is a smart play for rec where the teams aren't picked so much as made up of a group of friends. Glad the kid can find the right path to enjoy the beautiful game.

So rec players know what grade they're playing at but competitive players and college coaches cant figure it out?

You are ridiculous and dishonest

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

This is a smart play for rec where the teams aren't picked so much as made up of a group of friends. Glad the kid can find the right path to enjoy the beautiful game.

So rec players know what grade they're playing at but competitive players and college coaches cant figure it out?

You are ridiculous and dishonest

In rec you get to play with friends, in travel players are assigned based on evaluations and birthdates.

Wonder if that kid who was the back half of the age group under BY would have played in college under SY. Now we will never know...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

This is a smart play for rec where the teams aren't picked so much as made up of a group of friends. Glad the kid can find the right path to enjoy the beautiful game.

So rec players know what grade they're playing at but competitive players and college coaches cant figure it out?

You are ridiculous and dishonest

In rec you get to play with friends, in travel players are assigned based on evaluations and birthdates.

Wonder if that kid who was the back half of the age group under BY would have played in college under SY. Now we will never know...

Well, MLSN is still BY. Also, most of the back half of the age group is now the oldest in SY. It's July that got the worst of this, although those Aug-Sep kids playing up before ready might be shooting themselves in the foot, too. It's not impossible but it'll be a harder path.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

He often selectively focuses on comments that agree with him when the threads he shares are at best 50/50 OR more for playing on age. It's definitely not how he portrays things. The funny thing about Eastside is they say college recruiting won't care about age, yes, BUT they also recommend playing on grade if that makes the most sense. At the same time, they commit to saying no force-ups. It's like the clubs realize one-size doesn't fit all.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

This is a smart play for rec where the teams aren't picked so much as made up of a group of friends. Glad the kid can find the right path to enjoy the beautiful game.

So rec players know what grade they're playing at but competitive players and college coaches cant figure it out?

You are ridiculous and dishonest

In rec you get to play with friends, in travel players are assigned based on evaluations and birthdates.

Wonder if that kid who was the back half of the age group under BY would have played in college under SY. Now we will never know...

Well, MLSN is still BY. Also, most of the back half of the age group is now the oldest in SY. It's July that got the worst of this, although those Aug-Sep kids playing up before ready might be shooting themselves in the foot, too. It's not impossible but it'll be a harder path.

Aug-Dec birthdays playing up a grade in BY is more appealing to college coaches

Aug-Dec birthdays playing down a grade in SY is less appealing to college coaches

Pretty simple

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

This is a smart play for rec where the teams aren't picked so much as made up of a group of friends. Glad the kid can find the right path to enjoy the beautiful game.

So rec players know what grade they're playing at but competitive players and college coaches cant figure it out?

You are ridiculous and dishonest

In rec you get to play with friends, in travel players are assigned based on evaluations and birthdates.

Wonder if that kid who was the back half of the age group under BY would have played in college under SY. Now we will never know...

Well, MLSN is still BY. Also, most of the back half of the age group is now the oldest in SY. It's July that got the worst of this, although those Aug-Sep kids playing up before ready might be shooting themselves in the foot, too. It's not impossible but it'll be a harder path.

Aug-Dec birthdays playing up a grade in BY is more appealing to college coaches

Aug-Dec birthdays playing down a grade in SY is less appealing to college coaches

Pretty simple

Aug b-days who are good enough to play college are most appealing to college coaches ... Going forward, they'll be likely the ones who are the oldest in their age groups ... Ones stuck on the B, C teams because they talked there way into playing up before they were ready, not so much, if they still play by HS.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

This is a smart play for rec where the teams aren't picked so much as made up of a group of friends. Glad the kid can find the right path to enjoy the beautiful game.

So rec players know what grade they're playing at but competitive players and college coaches cant figure it out?

You are ridiculous and dishonest

In rec you get to play with friends, in travel players are assigned based on evaluations and birthdates.

Wonder if that kid who was the back half of the age group under BY would have played in college under SY. Now we will never know...

Well, MLSN is still BY. Also, most of the back half of the age group is now the oldest in SY. It's July that got the worst of this, although those Aug-Sep kids playing up before ready might be shooting themselves in the foot, too. It's not impossible but it'll be a harder path.

Aug-Dec birthdays playing up a grade in BY is more appealing to college coaches

Aug-Dec birthdays playing down a grade in SY is less appealing to college coaches

Pretty simple

RAR makes oldest best player. Colleges don't care you age group, take best players. Facts.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/guestplayers/posts/4396834517306084/

Diiscussion about Aug birthdays playing up. Without the play with your age thread monkey commenting every 3 minutes. It looks like parents with Aug birtday kids are leaning to playing them up with their correct grade.

One person was planning to play they kid down on an 8th grade team and not play high school soccer their kids freshman year.Is this what clubs are recommending? Crazy

Wtf? Did you even read the comments when you post?

Anonymous comment 656
My kid is also an August birthday and we're having him play up. While he'll be one of the younger players on his team he'll be aligned with his school grade and will play high school with his friends.

This is a smart play for rec where the teams aren't picked so much as made up of a group of friends. Glad the kid can find the right path to enjoy the beautiful game.

So rec players know what grade they're playing at but competitive players and college coaches cant figure it out?

You are ridiculous and dishonest

In rec you get to play with friends, in travel players are assigned based on evaluations and birthdates.

Wonder if that kid who was the back half of the age group under BY would have played in college under SY. Now we will never know...

Well, MLSN is still BY. Also, most of the back half of the age group is now the oldest in SY. It's July that got the worst of this, although those Aug-Sep kids playing up before ready might be shooting themselves in the foot, too. It's not impossible but it'll be a harder path.

Aug-Dec birthdays playing up a grade in BY is more appealing to college coaches

Aug-Dec birthdays playing down a grade in SY is less appealing to college coaches

Pretty simple

Being the best player, getting the grades is the ticket.

No idea why you feel like their is a magic road to playing in college and a dead end, it defies logic and what the facts are.