Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:What if a third thing could’ve happened. What if Blake truly felt she was being sexually harassed and was extremely uncomfortable, but to most people what happened would not have been harassment or uncomfortable. I know it’s not fair to diagnose mental health issues, but there is some evidence that she was dealing with some major postpartum struggles.

There was a lot of making fun of her outfits and style choices, but looking back now, I feel like she was deeply ashamed of her postpartum body. That’s not Blake l’s style at all. All the memes of people making fun of that friends episode where Joey puts on all of Chandler‘s clothes, all the questions about why is she wearing eight shirts and two pairs of pants? I think she was deeply ashamed.

She sent that crazy novel length text to Justin about how she really didn’t want the body scenes to be shot until later, and then all of that weird stuff about how she and her husband feel like getting prepared for a role is the same as an athlete getting prepared for an event. I could totally picture Ryan, who I am 100% convinced is emotionally abusive and controlling, feeding those lines to her every time she has a baby. Berating her to get in shape, meet with the trainer, eat better because it’s her job as a celebrity, blah blah blah.

And then for him to text Justin and request a two week delay in a shoot, I think he totally got her in her head was like you are not prepared to do this movie.

So she was psychologically in a really bad place and maybe even realizing she shouldn’t have signed up for this. It’s a movie about a woman getting abused, it’s about a woman who has to give birth, there’s intimate scenes, I mean it’s pretty heavy stuff to do three months postpartum.

But she did, and now she’s on set and there are all these men here and they’re staring at her. She’s remembering that the finance guy came to watch her birth scene, when we find out the finance guy did not arrive on set till after that scene was shot, and it was a closed set. She thinks the OB/GYN actor was staring at her body, she thinks Justin and Heath are constantly commenting and staring.

I’m not saying that they were without blame, but I am saying there could be incidents that if she were in a psychologically healthier place or if it was a different actress, would not have made her uncomfortable. The whole fat shaming seemed unhinged and Ryan’s reaction seemed unhinged to me too. Why wouldn’t he just be like, babe, you look great and I’m sure he was not trying to make you feel bad about your weight. And even if he was, F him you look amazing. Why would he escalate it and loose his shit in a meeting with Sony executives?

And why would Justin send some random supplement lady to get Blake to lose weight when she is working with a world renowned trainer who’s obviously on it? What is Blake gonna say, wow this crazy Hollywood lady may help me lose weight, even though I have access to advice from Taylor Swift, a bunch of my friends and one of the most famous trailer trailers in Hollywood, but I’ll buy these supplements! It makes no sense. I think he sent the related to her, she has something on her website about helping people lose weight in addition to other holistic wellness crap and she went ballistic.

Some of the accusations make no sense and rather than just saying, Blake is lying and manipulating, which she could be, I also think she really could’ve felt under extreme duress when most people would not have seen some of these actions as harassment.

Puts Justin in a bad spot because I don’t think his team will win any points for being like, well she was a crazy postpartum lady. I mean, they can’t really say or even imply that. So they just have to lay out the additional context.

Sure okay, this COULD be the truth. We don't know because the have zero evidence on things like Lively's mental health state or the intricacies of her marriage.

So, again, if this is a possible explanation for everything, why not wait until there is evidence on the table to evaluate and decide? Why not wait until you actually hear Lively's deposition or testimony to decide whether she genuinely believes her own claims? Or to see Reynolds testify to see if it makes sense? Heck, why not wait to see Baldoni and Heath testify to how things went on set to see if their version of events makes sense? Why not wait to hear from the 3rd parties present in the January 4 meeting before deciding we know how it went? Why not wait to hear from other cast members or crew members before deciding one way or another whether the behavior on set was reasonable or not?

Sure, there are a lot of possible explanations for the facts as we presently know them. Why not wait until we know more and hear from more people, even hear from the main parties in their own words instead of filtered through an attorney's legal filing, before drawing broad conclusions?

But why wouldn’t Blake put more proof forward, like she felt like justin hired the supplement lady to get her to lose weight? She put that out because it sounded good, he countered it with more context, and she just dropped it. New email, “hey Blake would love to start working with you on a weight loss program… “…Nothing it just doesn’t get brought up again.

And what about the obvious lies we’ve caught her in? The finance guy not actually being on when she says he made her feel uncomfortable in the birthing scene. The additional context we got in the video of the dancing scene which makes her look like a liar. Again, maybe she was misremembering because of her psychological state, but either way it was not the truth.

Like others have said, I’ve seen enough to know that there is either too much missing context, and I’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt if she really imagined some of these things or felt under duress, but I’m just not seeing any evidence of sexual harassment.

What do you mean we have no evidence of of the intricacies of their marriage. Have you been paying any attention at all to this case? Who texts the producer and director of their wife’s film and says because their family needs more time together they need to push production schedule for two weeks. That is insane.

Who has a Sony executive say I’ve never in my 40 year career seen someone go off on a person like that and I’m quitting this film?

Who takes over the marketing of their wife’s film when he had no role in the film and inserts himself in the video. Who violates the writers guild agreement to write a dumb rooftop scene on a movie he’s not involved in.

You think it was Blake’s idea to hire the Deadpool editor? Why was he in so many meetings with Justin in their apartment?

Sorry, I’ve seen enough. To say we have no evidence of his controlling behavior or that their marriage is not a factor is not at all credible..

I'll address one by one:

1) Dropping the allegation about the supplement/nutritionist person. I do think that the context Baldoni provided essentially proved that the Lively's assumption about this interaction was incorrect, which is why it is dropped in the 2nd complaint. Or at least that Lively could not *prove* her assumption, which from a legal perspective is the same thing. But it doesn't mean she lied, it means she was incorrect in her interpretation of that event. Dropping this allegation doesn't mean she's making it all up, it means she's dropping this allegation. The allegation about him asking her trainer how much she weighed is not dropped. She has proof that happened and Baldoni has not provided context that disproves it happened or that it was inappropriate. He's provided an explanation other than "fat shaming" for why he claims to have done it, but it's still weird -- there are many ways he could have dealt with the safety of a potential on-screen lift that don't involve asking someone employed by Lively to report her weight. So that stays in. It's common in an amended complaint to drop allegations that appear to no longer help your case and retain only those that do help.

2) The allegation about Sarowitz being onset for the birth scene. Again, dropped because Baldoni's complaint shows that Lively may have interpreted this incorrectly. She was right Sarowitz was on set that day, and that it was his first day on set for the film. However, Baldoni's side says he wasn't there for the actual birth scene and Lively can't prove he was. That doesn't mean she lied, it means that she knew he was on set that day (someone at Sarowitz's level coming to set would indeed be reported around set) and incorrectly believed that he was there in the morning when they filmed the birth scene while she was simulating nudity. As Baldoni has provided evidence that he was not, it makes sense she'd drop this aspect of the allegation. That does not mean she's lying or ever lied. Sometimes people are mistaken.

3) The dancing sequence. This is 100% a question of interpretation. Lively's allegation about the dance sequence is in her amended complaint, by the way. Personally, I think her description of the sequence is more accurate than Baldoni's when I watch the video. He is clearly engaging in physical intimacy that she is not comfortable with and it is not in the script pages for that scene. She is clearly trying to pull away or talk him out of that level of physicality. His own explanation for that scene indicates harassment to me -- he claims that he was kissing and nuzzling her to try and get her to stop talking. Yet we don't even once see him, the director of the movie, say to her as an actress, directly: "We want to get shots of them kissing, almost kissing, and being very physical in this scene." We just see him going for it and her pulling away. This backs up her account that he introduced physical intimacy to scenes where it was not scripted and without discussing it and getting full consent beforehand. She didn't lie and the video shows she didn't lie. But others interpret the video differently. That's fine, that's what juries are for. But the video doesn't show she lied. It shows how perspectives on the same set of facts can differ. More info needed.

4) Ryan's text. This is a single text requesting a change in schedule for a family matter. I don't know why Ryan sent it instead of Lively. It's clear from the fact record that Baldoni became friendly with their whole family during the course the pre-production. At one point Lively gives him a cross-country ride on their plane with her kids. So no, I don't think this one text means we know everything about their marriage, nor do I think it's a crazy outlier behavior. It's a little weird. More info needed.

5) The alleged statement of the Sony exec. The exec isn't identified, we have no idea of the way this statement was provided, and we haven't heard from the exec. This is, at this point, an unsubstantiated allegation. More info needed.

6) Involvement of Deadpool editor, Ryan being in meetings. I absolutely think Ryan set them up with the Deadpool editor -- that was how she knew them. Lively wanted her own edit of the film, which she contends was due to concerns about how Baldoni would handle the edit of intimate/nude scenes as well as the way his cut would portray the DV and his character. She had access to a well known and well respected editor through her husband and could get that editor in a room quickly. Makes sense. And it's clear Lively wanted his support and backing during meetings with Baldoni. This doesn't seem that weird to me and actually backs up her assertion that she felt uncomfortable with Baldoni. But neither of these details means we know the intricacies of their marriage. Are you married? We don't know anything about their marriage. And there is an interpretation of these facts where he's "controlling" and an interpretation where he's "supportive." More info needed.

You're literally just listing snippets of facts and then drawing these vast conclusions that don't follow from the facts. It's the definition of speculation and conspiracy theorizing. Your conclusions are not grounded in solid logic and fully supported by facts. It's what you want to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Nah, you’re not letting her down by not supporting her. Her allegations aren’t even serious (fat shamed?), and she could walk at any time, falling back on her vast empire.

I think people are confusing her with actual victims. I have way more empathy for govt workers, for example.

Agree, saying it is embarrassing to not side with lively is ridiculous.

She manipulated and extorted him. It’s embarrassing that lively supporters are excusing this behavior on her part.

The response to sexual harassment should not be to violate the writers guild, the directors guild, and producers guild by manipulating your way into getting a PGA credit that you’ve not earned and risking the film by violating compliance left and right.

And I love how PP is pointing out about Baldoni ‘s dirty lawyering all while Blake and Ryan literally hired national intelligence firms to kill things they don’t want to ever come to light. Yeah, not suspicious at all.

To clarify:

I didn't say it is embarrassing not to side with her. I don't expect anyone to side with her. I think it's embarrassing to allow yourself to be manipulated by Baldoni's legal and PR teams into thinking she has no case, that she lies about everything, and that he has fully disproven her claims. None of these things are true, but Freedman has loudly declared them to be true on TMZ, and for some reason this has convinced a lot of people of their veracity.

It is like watching Trump voters who believe Trump is smart because he says how smart he is all the time, or that tariffs are a good idea because he asserts it so aggressively over and over. It's just a loud man repeating himself loudly, on TV. Why is this persuasive to people? Truly a mystery to me. Daddy issues?

Yeah, honestly, this is two different Team Baldoni people making up a strawman to argue with that you never said because it’s more fun for them to set strawmen on fire.

I agree with you, fwiw. This whole thread is Amber Heard II: The Balbonering. What I have learned here is that we don’t even need Trump to take away women’s rights, we will do it ourselves to one another because nobody likes uppity women who overstep their place. All you need is a good PR team to muddy the waters a bit and remind people how much women B lying amirite? Where is that lady’s diatribe/prediction from 300 pages ago about where the thread would wind up because I feel that 💯

My feelings be are that Baldoni legit harassed Lively. He forced kissing into a scene that was just supposed to be talking. He tried to shame her into baring her breasts for the delivery scene when nobody does that for a PG-13 movie, because of his conservative views on how all women should give birth. Then during the scene he turned the monitors back on in the middle so everyone saw her state of undress when it was supposed to be a closed set. He didn’t let her cover herself between takes and introduced the actor who would be playing catcher in the scene as his best friend, also of the same religion - as though maybe he were doing a favor for this guy. He invited his billionaire friend Sarowitz to the set that day, even though it was supposed to be closed. He tried to add more nude and sex scenes that she hadn’t agreed to. He talked about his religion. He talked about his porn. He told the entire crew the private info she had shared with him that she had never watched porn, and she found that embarrassing. He kept haranguing her about extra nudity he wanted that had already been shot. This isn’t even all the weird stuff he did, like the consent conversation in the car. At least one other actress on set agreed with Lively that they found Baldoni difficult to deal with and couldn’t even talk to him unless they were in a scene together.

I think all of this built up for Lively until she was like, wtf, why am I even shooting this film about abuse with this guy who is supposed to be a male feminist but is actually horrible? Wtf does he mean “normal women” rip their hospital gowns off, where does he get off with this backwards male BS? She she got Ryan to help her figure out the 17 tenets or whatever, and was ready to walk if they were not agreed to and understood as a serious thing because she didn’t want to go back into that environment, and she didn’t have to. Sony backed her, and Baldoni apologized, and also agreed not to retaliate.

I’m not sure about the next part, Lively gets less sympathetic to me here, because she did basically take over the film. Maybe she was mad. Wasn’t Baldoni also wanting to put more of the male POV into the movie, to show things from his perspective, and show that no one was irredeemable? (Or was that just stuff I read from her PR side?). If true, I could understand how she wouldn’t want that in the film. I don’t know. Maybe she even wanted revenge at that point for every embarrassing thing he had put her through. It doesn’t seem like it was only Lively, though, because all the cast and the author stopped following Baldoni on Instagram, also. I think the combo of doing a domestic violence film as a male feminist but also having done all this stuff was too much for people. And then he got scared and hired his magical Johnny Depo PR team and it was all downhill from there.

But I’m sure more info will come out and we’ll see where it all goes. Right now, I do think he harassed her, and then retaliated via the PR team. I think he is a fake person who performs goodness instead of being good, just like he performed loving his wife through his 60 minute proposal video instead of actually being sincere and just getting down on a knee and lovingly proposing. Everything is for show, from filming himself giving clothes to a homeless man to this massively performative $250M lawsuit. None of the very expensive PR he has purchased has made me like him, and Freedman is obviously a very well paid and slick turd polisher that makes me dislike Baldoni more.

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The Problem that I have waiting for the trial, is Blake and Ryan have a ton of power and I believe they have outgunned Justin. I could not believe that they hired Shapiro‘s firm. I don’t think they do that if they’re preparing for a fair fight, there’s really nothing that can convince me at this point, it is pretty clear to anyone with a brain they are trying to get things pulled off the Internet, trying to get stories killed and I not fighting fair at all. You can feel free to wait for the trial or for more information or whatever but a lot of us are done with them, and sick of them trying to control the narrative which they have done for decades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nah, you’re not letting her down by not supporting her. Her allegations aren’t even serious (fat shamed?), and she could walk at any time, falling back on her vast empire.

I think people are confusing her with actual victims. I have way more empathy for govt workers, for example.

Agree, saying it is embarrassing to not side with lively is ridiculous.

She manipulated and extorted him. It’s embarrassing that lively supporters are excusing this behavior on her part.

The response to sexual harassment should not be to violate the writers guild, the directors guild, and producers guild by manipulating your way into getting a PGA credit that you’ve not earned and risking the film by violating compliance left and right.

And I love how PP is pointing out about Baldoni ‘s dirty lawyering all while Blake and Ryan literally hired national intelligence firms to kill things they don’t want to ever come to light. Yeah, not suspicious at all.

To clarify:

I didn't say it is embarrassing not to side with her. I don't expect anyone to side with her. I think it's embarrassing to allow yourself to be manipulated by Baldoni's legal and PR teams into thinking she has no case, that she lies about everything, and that he has fully disproven her claims. None of these things are true, but Freedman has loudly declared them to be true on TMZ, and for some reason this has convinced a lot of people of their veracity.

It is like watching Trump voters who believe Trump is smart because he says how smart he is all the time, or that tariffs are a good idea because he asserts it so aggressively over and over. It's just a loud man repeating himself loudly, on TV. Why is this persuasive to people? Truly a mystery to me. Daddy issues?

Yeah, honestly, this is two different Team Baldoni people making up a strawman to argue with that you never said because it’s more fun for them to set strawmen on fire.

I agree with you, fwiw. This whole thread is Amber Heard II: The Balbonering. What I have learned here is that we don’t even need Trump to take away women’s rights, we will do it ourselves to one another because nobody likes uppity women who overstep their place. All you need is a good PR team to muddy the waters a bit and remind people how much women B lying amirite? Where is that lady’s diatribe/prediction from 300 pages ago about where the thread would wind up because I feel that 💯

My feelings be are that Baldoni legit harassed Lively. He forced kissing into a scene that was just supposed to be talking. He tried to shame her into baring her breasts for the delivery scene when nobody does that for a PG-13 movie, because of his conservative views on how all women should give birth. Then during the scene he turned the monitors back on in the middle so everyone saw her state of undress when it was supposed to be a closed set. He didn’t let her cover herself between takes and introduced the actor who would be playing catcher in the scene as his best friend, also of the same religion - as though maybe he were doing a favor for this guy. He invited his billionaire friend Sarowitz to the set that day, even though it was supposed to be closed. He tried to add more nude and sex scenes that she hadn’t agreed to. He talked about his religion. He talked about his porn. He told the entire crew the private info she had shared with him that she had never watched porn, and she found that embarrassing. He kept haranguing her about extra nudity he wanted that had already been shot. This isn’t even all the weird stuff he did, like the consent conversation in the car. At least one other actress on set agreed with Lively that they found Baldoni difficult to deal with and couldn’t even talk to him unless they were in a scene together.

I think all of this built up for Lively until she was like, wtf, why am I even shooting this film about abuse with this guy who is supposed to be a male feminist but is actually horrible? Wtf does he mean “normal women” rip their hospital gowns off, where does he get off with this backwards male BS? She she got Ryan to help her figure out the 17 tenets or whatever, and was ready to walk if they were not agreed to and understood as a serious thing because she didn’t want to go back into that environment, and she didn’t have to. Sony backed her, and Baldoni apologized, and also agreed not to retaliate.

I’m not sure about the next part, Lively gets less sympathetic to me here, because she did basically take over the film. Maybe she was mad. Wasn’t Baldoni also wanting to put more of the male POV into the movie, to show things from his perspective, and show that no one was irredeemable? (Or was that just stuff I read from her PR side?). If true, I could understand how she wouldn’t want that in the film. I don’t know. Maybe she even wanted revenge at that point for every embarrassing thing he had put her through. It doesn’t seem like it was only Lively, though, because all the cast and the author stopped following Baldoni on Instagram, also. I think the combo of doing a domestic violence film as a male feminist but also having done all this stuff was too much for people. And then he got scared and hired his magical Johnny Depo PR team and it was all downhill from there.

But I’m sure more info will come out and we’ll see where it all goes. Right now, I do think he harassed her, and then retaliated via the PR team. I think he is a fake person who performs goodness instead of being good, just like he performed loving his wife through his 60 minute proposal video instead of actually being sincere and just getting down on a knee and lovingly proposing. Everything is for show, from filming himself giving clothes to a homeless man to this massively performative $250M lawsuit. None of the very expensive PR he has purchased has made me like him, and Freedman is obviously a very well paid and slick turd polisher that makes me dislike Baldoni more.

PP here and I agree this could be what happened. I also think evidence could mitigate some of this. I don't want to get married to this narrative because, again, we don't have enough info yet.

I will say that this narrative, which is what Lively proposed in her complaint, hangs together a bit better for me than Baldoni's because it's consistent. Baldoni's narrative doesn't work for me at this stage because it's often contradictory. His own complaint/timeline sometimes make it sound very much like he harassed Lively, which is crazy to me. Literally the way HIS complaint describes the incidents with the dance sequence and the birth scene have some wtf details where it looks like he's just admitting to do doing stuff that is really inappropriate. That's wild to me. But he's also alleging this whole narrative about her plotting to steal the movie and it doesn't really work for me at this point. It's all over the place and the facts he presents shows Lively at times being deferential to him, other times being collaborative, other times being pretty assertive. It shows him being really wishy-washy and two-face throughout, being very accommodating and nonconfrontational with Lively but then complaining with producers elsewhere that she was taking over. It's confusing because no evidence is provided of anyone just saying to her "no you cannot do that" and her saying "too bad I will." I get the argument is that she was using soft power to do it but it's confusing and not laid out well. I'm open to the idea that as the case proceeds this will become more understandable, but I also think it's possible this whole claim will be dismissed because there are no damages for the "she stole my movie" claim and in the end everyone made a lot of money and its still Wayfarer's movie and Baldoni is the credited director. She just had an outsized influence on the movie but it's not like she took it and put it in a suitcase and walk doff with it.

But anyway, I think it's all interesting but it's really hard to draw conclusions. I am really not ready to say one way or another whether there was SH on set (I feel confident there was some weird/uncomfortable stuff going on but I want more info before drawing conclusions about it being harassment). I think the retaliation claim is stronger and it's just very hard to refute those texts IMO. But still interested to see more evidence, find out what Lively's team was planting/publicizing at that time, etc. I think his claims of defamation and extortion are very weak just on their face, legally, but that doesn't mean I think he is automatically guilty of what she's claiming.

I just think there is so much we don't know and I don't support anyone asserting with confidence that they know for sure what happened here at this point. It's way to early and all we've gotten so far are some very biased court documents and a LOT of PR that is explicitly designed by people who are experts to make us think one thing or another. I wish people would be a little savvier about this, especially in a case that is pulling back the curtain on the PR machine and how it works. I feel like a lot of people are being incredibly gullible, on both sides.

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The Problem that I have waiting for the trial, is Blake and Ryan have a ton of power and I believe they have outgunned Justin. I could not believe that they hired Shapiro‘s firm. I don’t think they do that if they’re preparing for a fair fight, there’s really nothing that can convince me at this point, it is pretty clear to anyone with a brain they are trying to get things pulled off the Internet, trying to get stories killed and I not fighting fair at all. You can feel free to wait for the trial or for more information or whatever but a lot of us are done with them, and sick of them trying to control the narrative which they have done for decades.

Baldoni has a billionaire backer. His PR firm is also well known for being incredibly effective at swaying public opinion specifically in he said/she said cases like this. His attorney has a history of getting huge settlements for clients via very aggressive tactics.

They are fairly evenly matched in terms of resources, IMO. Which is all the more reason to wait for more evidence and the trial. It actually stands a chance of being a fair fight because the playing field is pretty level. That's rare.

[Anonymous]

Notice it’s only the Blake supporters writing literally tomes about the need for more evidence. That’s because she doesn’t have near enough at present.

[Anonymous]

This is from Freedman’s newly filed opposition to Slian’s motion to dismiss. As a lawyer, I know some other lawyers who write briefs like this, and they are dirtballs and terrible people:

“The timeline contained I. exhibit A was attached to the First Amended Complaint in an effort to provide a complete and chronological account of the facts underpinning the Wayfarer Parties’ claims and to incorporate as much evidence as was then known in support of those claims. Nevertheless, the Wayfarer Parties acknowledge that the mountain of evidence in support of their claims must seem overwhelming to the Sloane Parties. Should the Court grant the motion to strike with leave to amend, the Wayfarer Parties will undertake to judiciously incorporate the allegations and evidence from Exhibit A into the body of the complaint, in the hope that the Sloane Parties will then find it less burdensome to mount a defense to the Wayfarer Parties’ allegations — if they can.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The Problem that I have waiting for the trial, is Blake and Ryan have a ton of power and I believe they have outgunned Justin. I could not believe that they hired Shapiro‘s firm. I don’t think they do that if they’re preparing for a fair fight, there’s really nothing that can convince me at this point, it is pretty clear to anyone with a brain they are trying to get things pulled off the Internet, trying to get stories killed and I not fighting fair at all. You can feel free to wait for the trial or for more information or whatever but a lot of us are done with them, and sick of them trying to control the narrative which they have done for decades.

Baldoni has a billionaire backer. His PR firm is also well known for being incredibly effective at swaying public opinion specifically in he said/she said cases like this. His attorney has a history of getting huge settlements for clients via very aggressive tactics.

They are fairly evenly matched in terms of resources, IMO. Which is all the more reason to wait for more evidence and the trial. It actually stands a chance of being a fair fight because the playing field is pretty level. That's rare.

I’ve seen some commentary on Shapiro‘s firm and I’m just not convinced. What I am reading is that you don’t hire him for a trial. You hire him to get things killed in neutralized.

If they actually do make it to trial, I will feel a lot better because I do think that that would be fair. But I’m not convinced. I think Ryan has too many billion dollar business entities to protect to do this, and the more I read about him, the more I feel strongly he has some skeletons in his closet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Notice it’s only the Blake supporters writing literally tomes about the need for more evidence. That’s because she doesn’t have near enough at present.

No, it's because they are engaging with the facts instead of just waiving their hands in the general direction of the case and saying "she seems like a liar." Baldoni filed a 224 page complaint, there is much to discuss.

And saying "we haven't seen all the evidence yet" in a case that has not even begun discovery in earnest is just rational. We haven't seen all the evidence yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Notice it’s only the Blake supporters writing literally tomes about the need for more evidence. That’s because she doesn’t have near enough at present.

No, it's because they are engaging with the facts instead of just waiving their hands in the general direction of the case and saying "she seems like a liar." Baldoni filed a 224 page complaint, there is much to discuss.

And saying "we haven't seen all the evidence yet" in a case that has not even begun discovery in earnest is just rational. We haven't seen all the evidence yet.

The reason that this is silly is because Blake wants all the evidence out there because she is hemorrhaging followers and supporters. Hollywood is not on her side right now and they would want to get more evidence out if they had it. You ate treating this like a typical court case and it is not. It is a battle for public opinion. She didn’t just quietly file a complaint, she went to the New York Times, got a big splashy story, and made sure they put the complaint on a free PDF site that didn’t require the paywall.

You honestly think they want to wait till March 2026? Come on. In Hollywood that is an eternity. She is just coming off the biggest box office success of her career and she’s not able to capitalize on it. Every day that she’s not seen with Taylor Swift, people speculate more and more that their friendship is over. this period has not been good for Blake at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The Problem that I have waiting for the trial, is Blake and Ryan have a ton of power and I believe they have outgunned Justin. I could not believe that they hired Shapiro‘s firm. I don’t think they do that if they’re preparing for a fair fight, there’s really nothing that can convince me at this point, it is pretty clear to anyone with a brain they are trying to get things pulled off the Internet, trying to get stories killed and I not fighting fair at all. You can feel free to wait for the trial or for more information or whatever but a lot of us are done with them, and sick of them trying to control the narrative which they have done for decades.

Baldoni has a billionaire backer. His PR firm is also well known for being incredibly effective at swaying public opinion specifically in he said/she said cases like this. His attorney has a history of getting huge settlements for clients via very aggressive tactics.

They are fairly evenly matched in terms of resources, IMO. Which is all the more reason to wait for more evidence and the trial. It actually stands a chance of being a fair fight because the playing field is pretty level. That's rare.

I’ve seen some commentary on Shapiro‘s firm and I’m just not convinced. What I am reading is that you don’t hire him for a trial. You hire him to get things killed in neutralized.

If they actually do make it to trial, I will feel a lot better because I do think that that would be fair. But I’m not convinced. I think Ryan has too many billion dollar business entities to protect to do this, and the more I read about him, the more I feel strongly he has some skeletons in his closet.

It's the kind of PR firm you hire when you have extensive business holdings and are getting buried in an avalanche of bad PR that is totally unrelated to your business holdings, actually. There may be PR firms that specialize in PR during trials (like, for example Melissa Nathan's TAG, which worked for Trump, Depp, Drake, and Logan Paul) but Reynolds has not been accused of sexual harassment or assault here so it wouldn't make sense for him to hire someone like that. And Lively is a woman and the accuser, so in a different position. There is nothing weird about their choice of PR firm.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Notice it’s only the Blake supporters writing literally tomes about the need for more evidence. That’s because she doesn’t have near enough at present.

No, it's because they are engaging with the facts instead of just waiving their hands in the general direction of the case and saying "she seems like a liar." Baldoni filed a 224 page complaint, there is much to discuss.

And saying "we haven't seen all the evidence yet" in a case that has not even begun discovery in earnest is just rational. We haven't seen all the evidence yet.

The reason that this is silly is because Blake wants all the evidence out there because she is hemorrhaging followers and supporters. Hollywood is not on her side right now and they would want to get more evidence out if they had it. You ate treating this like a typical court case and it is not. It is a battle for public opinion. She didn’t just quietly file a complaint, she went to the New York Times, got a big splashy story, and made sure they put the complaint on a free PDF site that didn’t require the paywall.

You honestly think they want to wait till March 2026? Come on. In Hollywood that is an eternity. She is just coming off the biggest box office success of her career and she’s not able to capitalize on it. Every day that she’s not seen with Taylor Swift, people speculate more and more that their friendship is over. this period has not been good for Blake at all.

Lively wants the evidence to come out through legal proceedings. She's hired two law firms known for their work in the actual areas of law involved here (Mannatt for employment/entertainment law, and Gottlieb from Wilkie for extensive litigation experience on cases involving defamation and character attacks online). Her hires reflect a desire to actually see this case through via the courts, through a long discovery process and motions to dismiss, for SJ, and potentially trial.

Baldoni has hired a lawyer known for using PR tactics to get huge settlements or get the other side to drop the case due to lack of funds or simply exhaustion. He has very limited trial experience and no real legal specialty other than just generally "entertainment law." He's not well versed in employment, harassment, defamation, first amendment issues, etc. He's handled cases that touch on these issues but largely just to get them settled. He rarely tries cases.

Draw your own conclusions here.

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Anonymous wrote:Notice it’s only the Blake supporters writing literally tomes about the need for more evidence. That’s because she doesn’t have near enough at present.

No, it's because they are engaging with the facts instead of just waiving their hands in the general direction of the case and saying "she seems like a liar." Baldoni filed a 224 page complaint, there is much to discuss.

And saying "we haven't seen all the evidence yet" in a case that has not even begun discovery in earnest is just rational. We haven't seen all the evidence yet.

There has been an enormous amount of evidence released plus all the so-called sexual harassment is in her complaint. If she had anything better, she would have released it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Notice it’s only the Blake supporters writing literally tomes about the need for more evidence. That’s because she doesn’t have near enough at present.

No, it's because they are engaging with the facts instead of just waiving their hands in the general direction of the case and saying "she seems like a liar." Baldoni filed a 224 page complaint, there is much to discuss.

And saying "we haven't seen all the evidence yet" in a case that has not even begun discovery in earnest is just rational. We haven't seen all the evidence yet.

The reason that this is silly is because Blake wants all the evidence out there because she is hemorrhaging followers and supporters. Hollywood is not on her side right now and they would want to get more evidence out if they had it. You ate treating this like a typical court case and it is not. It is a battle for public opinion. She didn’t just quietly file a complaint, she went to the New York Times, got a big splashy story, and made sure they put the complaint on a free PDF site that didn’t require the paywall.

You honestly think they want to wait till March 2026? Come on. In Hollywood that is an eternity. She is just coming off the biggest box office success of her career and she’s not able to capitalize on it. Every day that she’s not seen with Taylor Swift, people speculate more and more that their friendship is over. this period has not been good for Blake at all.

Lively wants the evidence to come out through legal proceedings. She's hired two law firms known for their work in the actual areas of law involved here (Mannatt for employment/entertainment law, and Gottlieb from Wilkie for extensive litigation experience on cases involving defamation and character attacks online). Her hires reflect a desire to actually see this case through via the courts, through a long discovery process and motions to dismiss, for SJ, and potentially trial.

Baldoni has hired a lawyer known for using PR tactics to get huge settlements or get the other side to drop the case due to lack of funds or simply exhaustion. He has very limited trial experience and no real legal specialty other than just generally "entertainment law." He's not well versed in employment, harassment, defamation, first amendment issues, etc. He's handled cases that touch on these issues but largely just to get them settled. He rarely tries cases.

Draw your own conclusions here.

Laughable, that’s why this all started with her collaboration with The NY Times.

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You guys can write all day long about how Jason Baloney hurt Blake Lively's feelings and made her feel uncomfortable.

But I am a gen Xer who does not think that discomfort and hurt feelings are sexual harassment. I think you are being soft whiney babies. In addition, you are ignoring all the power dynamics at play.