Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

Question for the lawyers here. Someone on Reddit made a point that I hadn’t considered but it does make sense. They asked how was it ok for Stephanie Jones to give Abel’s cellphone to Lively?

Initially I had run with the explanation that it was a work phone and therefore Jones’ property. But, the redditer pointed out that PR agents usually have an NDA or other agreement with their clients to safeguard their privacy. Baldoni was a client of Jonesworks and Jones handed over text messages from a time period when Abel was her employee and Baldoni her client.

Blake claims she had a subpoena but we know that wasn’t true b/c there was no case yet. Jones clearly handed the phone over, which had to be a contract violation with Baldoni’s rights/privacy as a client. No wonder BF calls the texts BL gave to the NYT “the illegally obtained text messages”.

So back to my question—can BF get the texts thrown out? And if so, what does BL really have at that point to prove retaliation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The judge is the best shot for lively and the nyt. Neither could win over a jury imo, so they need the judge to throw out or significantly narrow the case.

NYT case will never get to a jury because it's based on nothing. Will fail as a matter of law.

Lively case is the sort that has to settle or go to jury. It's entirely about questions of fact. Would a reasonable person consider that SH? Would a reasonable person find, by a preponderance of evidence, that Baldoni et al's actions constituted retaliation for the SH claims?

I also don't think we have enough evidence from either side to answer that one yet. Much of the critical evidence hasn't even been discovered yet. Like the testimony of third party witnesses, including the other actors and crew on the set. That will be critical in whose narrative wins out. Also, while I know it seems like we've seen every single text and email these people sent in the last year, we haven't. There are entire categories of communications we've never seen, and potentially the most dispositive ones, such as communications between Baldoni and Heath, communications between Lively and her agent, etc. Each side has only shown us the communications that they feel will present their case in the best light. There's a ton missing.

Also in a he said/she said like this, it's bizarre to me to assert a position when you've never heard either of the main parties testify, in their own words. This is general a critical component of a case like this. Everyone is leaning on their perceptions of these two people based on other appearances or what we read in the complaints. Seeing someone on the stand (or in a deposition) telling their story is very different, and is often the critical component of a case like this. Somewhat unfairly, because there's a ton of bias that comes into play in evaluating the truthfulness of a person in testimony. But in harassment cases, people usually want to hear the parties speak and make their claims themselves. I find it so odd how many people seem not to need this. I definitely need it! We don't have enough info yet.

You’re right. The verdict is still out on Baldoni since there are many things we don’t know. But I have seen evidence that Lively lied with my own eyes. No context was missing. And for that I can safely say she lies about SH. There’s not anything that can turn that around for me. Maybe she didn’t lie about it all, but she lied about some of it, and in a court document, that she handed to the NYT. It’s an unforgivable thing to do.

And, though I know they will, nobody can even argue that she didn’t lie. She literally had to change the story in the amended complaint. That’s it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The judge is the best shot for lively and the nyt. Neither could win over a jury imo, so they need the judge to throw out or significantly narrow the case.

NYT case will never get to a jury because it's based on nothing. Will fail as a matter of law.

Lively case is the sort that has to settle or go to jury. It's entirely about questions of fact. Would a reasonable person consider that SH? Would a reasonable person find, by a preponderance of evidence, that Baldoni et al's actions constituted retaliation for the SH claims?

I also don't think we have enough evidence from either side to answer that one yet. Much of the critical evidence hasn't even been discovered yet. Like the testimony of third party witnesses, including the other actors and crew on the set. That will be critical in whose narrative wins out. Also, while I know it seems like we've seen every single text and email these people sent in the last year, we haven't. There are entire categories of communications we've never seen, and potentially the most dispositive ones, such as communications between Baldoni and Heath, communications between Lively and her agent, etc. Each side has only shown us the communications that they feel will present their case in the best light. There's a ton missing.

Also in a he said/she said like this, it's bizarre to me to assert a position when you've never heard either of the main parties testify, in their own words. This is general a critical component of a case like this. Everyone is leaning on their perceptions of these two people based on other appearances or what we read in the complaints. Seeing someone on the stand (or in a deposition) telling their story is very different, and is often the critical component of a case like this. Somewhat unfairly, because there's a ton of bias that comes into play in evaluating the truthfulness of a person in testimony. But in harassment cases, people usually want to hear the parties speak and make their claims themselves. I find it so odd how many people seem not to need this. I definitely need it! We don't have enough info yet.

I agree with you, but a lot of people are just confused as to why Blake hasn’t presented more smoking guns yet given her list of complaints and the explosive New York Times article. When Baldoni countered, he presented a ton of more context that obviously gave people pause or flat out changed their minds, or we wouldn’t be her debating over 400 pages.

So people were waiting for more of exactly what you just said. Where are the texts to her team, saying she feels really uncomfortable and asking what options do they have? Where are the emails between her team saying she’s clearly experiencing harassment we need to do XYZ. Where are the emails to Sony where she apparently complained and they told her they couldn’t deal with it but to go to Wayfarer HR? Where are her texts between coworkers…she had one text to the Sony producer, talking about being so tired of their and tongues or whatever, but there are no texts even with redacted names to protect them, any complaints or vents? And I found the text to the stony producer odd because it was right before they went back from the strike, almost like they were creating a paper trail to support their list. But all of that stuff she was complaining about. It happened in May on Saturday. The tongue thing was about the inappropriate case during the dance scene which had happened back in May on set and there was nothing. When she sent a text to the Sony producer, no one had been on set for six months. It just seemed really odd timing.

It really does appear that she spun a lot of what she found mildly inappropriate or uncomfortable and didn’t make a Leal of at the time and then when she decided to leverage things after the strike, she put a more compelling list together.

Anyway, you are right and that we obviously don’t know, I just find it strange if there was more support for her story why she would hold off until March 2026. That is a really long time in public relations.

[Anonymous]

Lively does mention texts/emails to show she was uncomfortable during the course of filming. There's a text to someone called a "mutual friend" of Baldoni's (many have speculated this is Liz Plank) from fairly early on saying she was going home from set and crying because of their behavior. There is also a text mentioned from the hiatus of Blake saying she was dreading going back to the set, to another actor on the movie, and then replying that they felt the same.

One obvious reason Lively has not produced these texts yet is to protect the identity/privacy of the other people. They may worry that naming them and providing texts at this stage could attract online harassment, and want to postpone that as long as possible.

I think they are in a difficult position because it's not typical to put all your communications in the complaint, but Baldoni's complaint (which includes a ton of extraneous communication and even a lot of stuff that doesn't support his claims or which will cause issues for them down the road) does this, and now the public things that if it's not in your complaint, it doesn't exist. In reality, most of what I'd in Baldoni's complaint and timeline will be struck, if it's not willingly removed when they amend to address group pleading, because that's not how complaints work. But the public will view this as unfair, and will trust the biased narrative it presents anyway, because they don't understand how irregular this is, or that it actually violates rules of pleading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lively does mention texts/emails to show she was uncomfortable during the course of filming. There's a text to someone called a "mutual friend" of Baldoni's (many have speculated this is Liz Plank) from fairly early on saying she was going home from set and crying because of their behavior. There is also a text mentioned from the hiatus of Blake saying she was dreading going back to the set, to another actor on the movie, and then replying that they felt the same.

One obvious reason Lively has not produced these texts yet is to protect the identity/privacy of the other people. They may worry that naming them and providing texts at this stage could attract online harassment, and want to postpone that as long as possible.

I think they are in a difficult position because it's not typical to put all your communications in the complaint, but Baldoni's complaint (which includes a ton of extraneous communication and even a lot of stuff that doesn't support his claims or which will cause issues for them down the road) does this, and now the public things that if it's not in your complaint, it doesn't exist. In reality, most of what I'd in Baldoni's complaint and timeline will be struck, if it's not willingly removed when they amend to address group pleading, because that's not how complaints work. But the public will view this as unfair, and will trust the biased narrative it presents anyway, because they don't understand how irregular this is, or that it actually violates rules of pleading.

Right, I mentioned all of those. But the one during hiatus was ridiculous and looks like they are creating a paper trail. No one talks like that.

A lot of what Baldoni put out was for the public to understand the context- it may not be recognized by the courts, but it is critical for where he is now which is winning this PR war. Blake’s complaint hinges on the fact that there was a pattern of disturbing behavior, since she really doesn’t have any big incidents of harassment. Feeling uncomfortable because you were breast-feeding in a meeting and someone caught your eye is not sexual harassment. Having creative differences about a scene and then ultimately getting your way is not sexual harassment. having someone talk about your dead father is not sexual harassment, but enough of these incidents when taken together can show a pattern.

The way she presented the behaviors did seem disturbing, but to the PP’s point and my point, when Baldoni added the additional context, a lot of people felt that she lied or exaggerated. Nothing in her amendment has shown otherwise yet so when you say wait for the trial, we will, but the trial is a really long time from now. And Blake is not winning the public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lively does mention texts/emails to show she was uncomfortable during the course of filming. There's a text to someone called a "mutual friend" of Baldoni's (many have speculated this is Liz Plank) from fairly early on saying she was going home from set and crying because of their behavior. There is also a text mentioned from the hiatus of Blake saying she was dreading going back to the set, to another actor on the movie, and then replying that they felt the same.

One obvious reason Lively has not produced these texts yet is to protect the identity/privacy of the other people. They may worry that naming them and providing texts at this stage could attract online harassment, and want to postpone that as long as possible.

I think they are in a difficult position because it's not typical to put all your communications in the complaint, but Baldoni's complaint (which includes a ton of extraneous communication and even a lot of stuff that doesn't support his claims or which will cause issues for them down the road) does this, and now the public things that if it's not in your complaint, it doesn't exist. In reality, most of what I'd in Baldoni's complaint and timeline will be struck, if it's not willingly removed when they amend to address group pleading, because that's not how complaints work. But the public will view this as unfair, and will trust the biased narrative it presents anyway, because they don't understand how irregular this is, or that it actually violates rules of pleading.

Right, I mentioned all of those. But the one during hiatus was ridiculous and looks like they are creating a paper trail. No one talks like that.

A lot of what Baldoni put out was for the public to understand the context- it may not be recognized by the courts, but it is critical for where he is now which is winning this PR war. Blake’s complaint hinges on the fact that there was a pattern of disturbing behavior, since she really doesn’t have any big incidents of harassment. Feeling uncomfortable because you were breast-feeding in a meeting and someone caught your eye is not sexual harassment. Having creative differences about a scene and then ultimately getting your way is not sexual harassment. having someone talk about your dead father is not sexual harassment, but enough of these incidents when taken together can show a pattern.

The way she presented the behaviors did seem disturbing, but to the PP’s point and my point, when Baldoni added the additional context, a lot of people felt that she lied or exaggerated. Nothing in her amendment has shown otherwise yet so when you say wait for the trial, we will, but the trial is a really long time from now. And Blake is not winning the public.

So your argument is that there isn't enough textual evidence for you but also that the texts she does produce seem like she's just trying to create a paper trail? Aren't those contradictory arguments? If she was trying to create a paper trail, wouldn't she have more sent more texts and emails to document all this?

It's common in harassment cases for most of the allegations have been reported only verbally to people at the time. Most harassment victims do not consider themselves harassment victims when it's happening, so it doesn't occur to them to document things in writing. It's also upsetting and also feels embarrassing to the victim (harassment is often personally humiliating) and they are uncomfortable discussing it. This is a normal amount of text communication for a harassment case. A text to a friend saying she'd been going home and crying and mentioning the behavior, another text saying she was dreading returning to set. Extremely normal.

Sometimes victims have other evidence of their state of mind during the period of harassment but, due to evidentiary rules and also strategy, would be unlikely to produce it at this stage. A journal in which they mention the behavior, for instance, would need to be properly authenticated before being introduced -- putting a page of a journal in a complaint is legally dicy and is likely to be struck from the record anyway. Likewise, often victims have communications and interactions with colleagues and other people that can become powerful evidence that harassment is occurring, but it's not in writing and can only be produced via interrogatories or testimony. For instance, therapy appointments, conversations or interactions with friends and family that show state of mind, etc. These things might be referenced in the complaint or the complaint may just assert state of mind ("the plaintiff grew nervous and uncomfortable about returning to set and working with the defendants again") and produce this evidence later during the discovery phase. There are strong strategic reasons for not showing your hand with this kind of evidence at this point.

If the public has reached the conclusion that Lively must be lying and can't possibly have evidence of harassment, the public is wrong and is likely being mislead by people who have strong financial interests in pushing that narrative. I don't personally know if Lively can prove harassment in this case but I strongly believe she has the right to put forth her evidence via normal and fair trial proceedings (which does NOT include litigating the entire case via complaints with no standards for evidence and containing a bunch of narrative that will be struck later anyway).

If you've made up your mind about this case, you are de facto being unfair to Lively. That's your prerogative, but a truly open minded person would wait. You are being led around by your nose by Baldoni's attorneys, who are working hard to mislead and confuse the public as to what actually happened (a massive info dump like their 200+ page complaint is a classic "flood the zone" approach, hoping that by producing so much info it will bury the worst stuff). Why are you allowing yourself to be so obviously manipulated in this way? It is embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Nah, you’re not letting her down by not supporting her. Her allegations aren’t even serious (fat shamed?), and she could walk at any time, falling back on her vast empire.

I think people are confusing her with actual victims. I have way more empathy for govt workers, for example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nah, you’re not letting her down by not supporting her. Her allegations aren’t even serious (fat shamed?), and she could walk at any time, falling back on her vast empire.

I think people are confusing her with actual victims. I have way more empathy for govt workers, for example.

I didn't say you were letting her down. I'm saying that making up your mind based on the complaints, especially when Baldoni's attorney is playing very fast and loose with rules of pleading to intentionally muddy the water and mislead the public, is fundamentally unfair to her, as it would be to any alleged victim who decided to pursue a case in court. She's entitled to a fair trial and people who believe they have all the evidence at the stage and can draw conclusions about what happened are incorrect, and it's not just.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nah, you’re not letting her down by not supporting her. Her allegations aren’t even serious (fat shamed?), and she could walk at any time, falling back on her vast empire.

I think people are confusing her with actual victims. I have way more empathy for govt workers, for example.

Agree, saying it is embarrassing to not side with lively is ridiculous.

She manipulated and extorted him. It’s embarrassing that lively supporters are excusing this behavior on her part.

The response to sexual harassment should not be to violate the writers guild, the directors guild, and producers guild by manipulating your way into getting a PGA credit that you’ve not earned and risking the film by violating compliance left and right.

And I love how PP is pointing out about Baldoni ‘s dirty lawyering all while Blake and Ryan literally hired national intelligence firms to kill things they don’t want to ever come to light. Yeah, not suspicious at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nah, you’re not letting her down by not supporting her. Her allegations aren’t even serious (fat shamed?), and she could walk at any time, falling back on her vast empire.

I think people are confusing her with actual victims. I have way more empathy for govt workers, for example.

I didn't say you were letting her down. I'm saying that making up your mind based on the complaints, especially when Baldoni's attorney is playing very fast and loose with rules of pleading to intentionally muddy the water and mislead the public, is fundamentally unfair to her, as it would be to any alleged victim who decided to pursue a case in court. She's entitled to a fair trial and people who believe they have all the evidence at the stage and can draw conclusions about what happened are incorrect, and it's not just.

I’ve said that on here before. I agree she’s entitled to a fair trial, just because that’s how this country works. But you really don’t have to sit here and try to be open and believe these claims that in your heart you know are really lame. You can roll your eyes or not even pay attention. Because you’re not a juror. Now if you’re selected for the jury, you have a different responsibility because the law has its own set of rules to abide by. It’s based on minute technicalities and lines in contracts and things that have nothing to do my personal fundamental sense of right or wrong. But for purposes of DCUM, I just can’t sit here and pretend she’s a victim.

[Anonymous]

What if a third thing could’ve happened. What if Blake truly felt she was being sexually harassed and was extremely uncomfortable, but to most people what happened would not have been harassment or uncomfortable. I know it’s not fair to diagnose mental health issues, but there is some evidence that she was dealing with some major postpartum struggles.

There was a lot of making fun of her outfits and style choices, but looking back now, I feel like she was deeply ashamed of her postpartum body. That’s not Blake l’s style at all. All the memes of people making fun of that friends episode where Joey puts on all of Chandler‘s clothes, all the questions about why is she wearing eight shirts and two pairs of pants? I think she was deeply ashamed.

She sent that crazy novel length text to Justin about how she really didn’t want the body scenes to be shot until later, and then all of that weird stuff about how she and her husband feel like getting prepared for a role is the same as an athlete getting prepared for an event. I could totally picture Ryan, who I am 100% convinced is emotionally abusive and controlling, feeding those lines to her every time she has a baby. Berating her to get in shape, meet with the trainer, eat better because it’s her job as a celebrity, blah blah blah.

And then for him to text Justin and request a two week delay in a shoot, I think he totally got her in her head was like you are not prepared to do this movie.

So she was psychologically in a really bad place and maybe even realizing she shouldn’t have signed up for this. It’s a movie about a woman getting abused, it’s about a woman who has to give birth, there’s intimate scenes, I mean it’s pretty heavy stuff to do three months postpartum.

But she did, and now she’s on set and there are all these men here and they’re staring at her. She’s remembering that the finance guy came to watch her birth scene, when we find out the finance guy did not arrive on set till after that scene was shot, and it was a closed set. She thinks the OB/GYN actor was staring at her body, she thinks Justin and Heath are constantly commenting and staring.

I’m not saying that they were without blame, but I am saying there could be incidents that if she were in a psychologically healthier place or if it was a different actress, would not have made her uncomfortable. The whole fat shaming seemed unhinged and Ryan’s reaction seemed unhinged to me too. Why wouldn’t he just be like, babe, you look great and I’m sure he was not trying to make you feel bad about your weight. And even if he was, F him you look amazing. Why would he escalate it and loose his shit in a meeting with Sony executives?

And why would Justin send some random supplement lady to get Blake to lose weight when she is working with a world renowned trainer who’s obviously on it? What is Blake gonna say, wow this crazy Hollywood lady may help me lose weight, even though I have access to advice from Taylor Swift, a bunch of my friends and one of the most famous trailer trailers in Hollywood, but I’ll buy these supplements! It makes no sense. I think he sent the related to her, she has something on her website about helping people lose weight in addition to other holistic wellness crap and she went ballistic.

Some of the accusations make no sense and rather than just saying, Blake is lying and manipulating, which she could be, I also think she really could’ve felt under extreme duress when most people would not have seen some of these actions as harassment.

Puts Justin in a bad spot because I don’t think his team will win any points for being like, well she was a crazy postpartum lady. I mean, they can’t really say or even imply that. So they just have to lay out the additional context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nah, you’re not letting her down by not supporting her. Her allegations aren’t even serious (fat shamed?), and she could walk at any time, falling back on her vast empire.

I think people are confusing her with actual victims. I have way more empathy for govt workers, for example.

Agree, saying it is embarrassing to not side with lively is ridiculous.

She manipulated and extorted him. It’s embarrassing that lively supporters are excusing this behavior on her part.

The response to sexual harassment should not be to violate the writers guild, the directors guild, and producers guild by manipulating your way into getting a PGA credit that you’ve not earned and risking the film by violating compliance left and right.

And I love how PP is pointing out about Baldoni ‘s dirty lawyering all while Blake and Ryan literally hired national intelligence firms to kill things they don’t want to ever come to light. Yeah, not suspicious at all.

To clarify:

I didn't say it is embarrassing not to side with her. I don't expect anyone to side with her. I think it's embarrassing to allow yourself to be manipulated by Baldoni's legal and PR teams into thinking she has no case, that she lies about everything, and that he has fully disproven her claims. None of these things are true, but Freedman has loudly declared them to be true on TMZ, and for some reason this has convinced a lot of people of their veracity.

It is like watching Trump voters who believe Trump is smart because he says how smart he is all the time, or that tariffs are a good idea because he asserts it so aggressively over and over. It's just a loud man repeating himself loudly, on TV. Why is this persuasive to people? Truly a mystery to me. Daddy issues?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if a third thing could’ve happened. What if Blake truly felt she was being sexually harassed and was extremely uncomfortable, but to most people what happened would not have been harassment or uncomfortable. I know it’s not fair to diagnose mental health issues, but there is some evidence that she was dealing with some major postpartum struggles.

There was a lot of making fun of her outfits and style choices, but looking back now, I feel like she was deeply ashamed of her postpartum body. That’s not Blake l’s style at all. All the memes of people making fun of that friends episode where Joey puts on all of Chandler‘s clothes, all the questions about why is she wearing eight shirts and two pairs of pants? I think she was deeply ashamed.

She sent that crazy novel length text to Justin about how she really didn’t want the body scenes to be shot until later, and then all of that weird stuff about how she and her husband feel like getting prepared for a role is the same as an athlete getting prepared for an event. I could totally picture Ryan, who I am 100% convinced is emotionally abusive and controlling, feeding those lines to her every time she has a baby. Berating her to get in shape, meet with the trainer, eat better because it’s her job as a celebrity, blah blah blah.

And then for him to text Justin and request a two week delay in a shoot, I think he totally got her in her head was like you are not prepared to do this movie.

So she was psychologically in a really bad place and maybe even realizing she shouldn’t have signed up for this. It’s a movie about a woman getting abused, it’s about a woman who has to give birth, there’s intimate scenes, I mean it’s pretty heavy stuff to do three months postpartum.

But she did, and now she’s on set and there are all these men here and they’re staring at her. She’s remembering that the finance guy came to watch her birth scene, when we find out the finance guy did not arrive on set till after that scene was shot, and it was a closed set. She thinks the OB/GYN actor was staring at her body, she thinks Justin and Heath are constantly commenting and staring.

I’m not saying that they were without blame, but I am saying there could be incidents that if she were in a psychologically healthier place or if it was a different actress, would not have made her uncomfortable. The whole fat shaming seemed unhinged and Ryan’s reaction seemed unhinged to me too. Why wouldn’t he just be like, babe, you look great and I’m sure he was not trying to make you feel bad about your weight. And even if he was, F him you look amazing. Why would he escalate it and loose his shit in a meeting with Sony executives?

And why would Justin send some random supplement lady to get Blake to lose weight when she is working with a world renowned trainer who’s obviously on it? What is Blake gonna say, wow this crazy Hollywood lady may help me lose weight, even though I have access to advice from Taylor Swift, a bunch of my friends and one of the most famous trailer trailers in Hollywood, but I’ll buy these supplements! It makes no sense. I think he sent the related to her, she has something on her website about helping people lose weight in addition to other holistic wellness crap and she went ballistic.

Some of the accusations make no sense and rather than just saying, Blake is lying and manipulating, which she could be, I also think she really could’ve felt under extreme duress when most people would not have seen some of these actions as harassment.

Puts Justin in a bad spot because I don’t think his team will win any points for being like, well she was a crazy postpartum lady. I mean, they can’t really say or even imply that. So they just have to lay out the additional context.

Sure okay, this COULD be the truth. We don't know because the have zero evidence on things like Lively's mental health state or the intricacies of her marriage.

So, again, if this is a possible explanation for everything, why not wait until there is evidence on the table to evaluate and decide? Why not wait until you actually hear Lively's deposition or testimony to decide whether she genuinely believes her own claims? Or to see Reynolds testify to see if it makes sense? Heck, why not wait to see Baldoni and Heath testify to how things went on set to see if their version of events makes sense? Why not wait to hear from the 3rd parties present in the January 4 meeting before deciding we know how it went? Why not wait to hear from other cast members or crew members before deciding one way or another whether the behavior on set was reasonable or not?

Sure, there are a lot of possible explanations for the facts as we presently know them. Why not wait until we know more and hear from more people, even hear from the main parties in their own words instead of filtered through an attorney's legal filing, before drawing broad conclusions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if a third thing could’ve happened. What if Blake truly felt she was being sexually harassed and was extremely uncomfortable, but to most people what happened would not have been harassment or uncomfortable. I know it’s not fair to diagnose mental health issues, but there is some evidence that she was dealing with some major postpartum struggles.

There was a lot of making fun of her outfits and style choices, but looking back now, I feel like she was deeply ashamed of her postpartum body. That’s not Blake l’s style at all. All the memes of people making fun of that friends episode where Joey puts on all of Chandler‘s clothes, all the questions about why is she wearing eight shirts and two pairs of pants? I think she was deeply ashamed.

She sent that crazy novel length text to Justin about how she really didn’t want the body scenes to be shot until later, and then all of that weird stuff about how she and her husband feel like getting prepared for a role is the same as an athlete getting prepared for an event. I could totally picture Ryan, who I am 100% convinced is emotionally abusive and controlling, feeding those lines to her every time she has a baby. Berating her to get in shape, meet with the trainer, eat better because it’s her job as a celebrity, blah blah blah.

And then for him to text Justin and request a two week delay in a shoot, I think he totally got her in her head was like you are not prepared to do this movie.

So she was psychologically in a really bad place and maybe even realizing she shouldn’t have signed up for this. It’s a movie about a woman getting abused, it’s about a woman who has to give birth, there’s intimate scenes, I mean it’s pretty heavy stuff to do three months postpartum.

But she did, and now she’s on set and there are all these men here and they’re staring at her. She’s remembering that the finance guy came to watch her birth scene, when we find out the finance guy did not arrive on set till after that scene was shot, and it was a closed set. She thinks the OB/GYN actor was staring at her body, she thinks Justin and Heath are constantly commenting and staring.

I’m not saying that they were without blame, but I am saying there could be incidents that if she were in a psychologically healthier place or if it was a different actress, would not have made her uncomfortable. The whole fat shaming seemed unhinged and Ryan’s reaction seemed unhinged to me too. Why wouldn’t he just be like, babe, you look great and I’m sure he was not trying to make you feel bad about your weight. And even if he was, F him you look amazing. Why would he escalate it and loose his shit in a meeting with Sony executives?

And why would Justin send some random supplement lady to get Blake to lose weight when she is working with a world renowned trainer who’s obviously on it? What is Blake gonna say, wow this crazy Hollywood lady may help me lose weight, even though I have access to advice from Taylor Swift, a bunch of my friends and one of the most famous trailer trailers in Hollywood, but I’ll buy these supplements! It makes no sense. I think he sent the related to her, she has something on her website about helping people lose weight in addition to other holistic wellness crap and she went ballistic.

Some of the accusations make no sense and rather than just saying, Blake is lying and manipulating, which she could be, I also think she really could’ve felt under extreme duress when most people would not have seen some of these actions as harassment.

Puts Justin in a bad spot because I don’t think his team will win any points for being like, well she was a crazy postpartum lady. I mean, they can’t really say or even imply that. So they just have to lay out the additional context.

Sure okay, this COULD be the truth. We don't know because the have zero evidence on things like Lively's mental health state or the intricacies of her marriage.

So, again, if this is a possible explanation for everything, why not wait until there is evidence on the table to evaluate and decide? Why not wait until you actually hear Lively's deposition or testimony to decide whether she genuinely believes her own claims? Or to see Reynolds testify to see if it makes sense? Heck, why not wait to see Baldoni and Heath testify to how things went on set to see if their version of events makes sense? Why not wait to hear from the 3rd parties present in the January 4 meeting before deciding we know how it went? Why not wait to hear from other cast members or crew members before deciding one way or another whether the behavior on set was reasonable or not?

Sure, there are a lot of possible explanations for the facts as we presently know them. Why not wait until we know more and hear from more people, even hear from the main parties in their own words instead of filtered through an attorney's legal filing, before drawing broad conclusions?

But why wouldn’t Blake put more proof forward, like she felt like justin hired the supplement lady to get her to lose weight? She put that out because it sounded good, he countered it with more context, and she just dropped it. New email, “hey Blake would love to start working with you on a weight loss program… “…Nothing it just doesn’t get brought up again.

And what about the obvious lies we’ve caught her in? The finance guy not actually being on when she says he made her feel uncomfortable in the birthing scene. The additional context we got in the video of the dancing scene which makes her look like a liar. Again, maybe she was misremembering because of her psychological state, but either way it was not the truth.

Like others have said, I’ve seen enough to know that there is either too much missing context, and I’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt if she really imagined some of these things or felt under duress, but I’m just not seeing any evidence of sexual harassment.

What do you mean we have no evidence of of the intricacies of their marriage. Have you been paying any attention at all to this case? Who texts the producer and director of their wife’s film and says because their family needs more time together they need to push production schedule for two weeks. That is insane.

Who has a Sony executive say I’ve never in my 40 year career seen someone go off on a person like that and I’m quitting this film?

Who takes over the marketing of their wife’s film when he had no role in the film and inserts himself in the video. Who violates the writers guild agreement to write a dumb rooftop scene on a movie he’s not involved in.

You think it was Blake’s idea to hire the Deadpool editor? Why was he in so many meetings with Justin in their apartment?

Sorry, I’ve seen enough. To say we have no evidence of his controlling behavior or that their marriage is not a factor is not at all credible..

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Someone else may have already posted but here is audio to the Ari Freakonimics interview where he makes fun of Baldoni names, says he’s ride or die with BL and RR and they are the good people, etc. Other YouTubers posting this but this was one where is mostly just audio and not the 30 min of other commentary.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vkxuiofvPUE