Since this is anonymous, why did you REALLY redshirt your kid?

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few people back their tall, mature, academically and athletically gifted 5 year olds with birthdays months before the cut off. WHY?
I know one who made the decision when her kid was one (July birthday)

Is it just so your kid has advantages socially and athletically and breezes through?

Mine is tall, academically gifted, athletic and also incredibly immature - boy with July birthday. He's that one - the youngest, at least one head taller than everyone else, and disturbing the entire class. Be thankful that we held him back, otherwise the teacher would have spent the entire time trying to get him to listen.

Okay, look. If you want to give your child every advantage you can, then fine. Some might actually say that that's your job as a parent. But don't act as if you were doing the entire world a favor. I don't think the on-time October-to-December born kids who are having to compete against him(someone 15-to-17 months older) are feeling very thankful.

Of course they are. As a June baby, myself, I was generally one of the youngest in my class. In retrospect, maybe I should have been redshirted. However, given the choice, I think the kids who were too immature for class and caused constant interruptions, should have been redshirted, even if it meant they were nearly 2 years ahead of me. If an “on-time” child is struggling, they will not be grateful for anything that makes it harder to learn.

When I started K (which was more academic than most for the 70’s), I was at the bottom of the class. If any children were redshirted, I didn’t know and didn’t care. It wasn’t a competition that I resented someone else for winning by “cheating” (as the anti-redshirters claim). The issue was that I had trouble keeping up and learning how to read. It eventually clicked the following summer (I suspect a large part of my struggle was that I wasn’t developmentally ready for it). Then we moved and the new school system was using the same curriculum in 1st that I’d had in K. I went from the bottom of the K class to the top of the 1st class. That seems like more of a “competitive advantage” (although I hated it), than simply being older (I was still one of the youngest). I wonder if the anti-redshirters be okay with that, or would they think that in the interest of fairness, I should have been grade-skipped, putting me in a second grade class where compared to a young first-grader, everyone would have been older, essentially putting me in a “redshirted”class, (on-time everybody else with young me, vs redshirted kids with on-time students).

As a mother, I would much prefer that if kids aren’t ready to behave appropriately in a situation, the parents keep them at home until they are. If a younger child is causing a disruption, my children don’t gloat smugly about how they’re superior to the child in some imaginary competition. Rather, they get upset that somebody is interrupting the teacher, or personally bothering them, or messing with their stuff, etc.

Kids of any age can struggle at school. If you are getting your child help, it might help to hold them back, but otherwise you are better off sending them and letting the school help since you aren't willing. If you are unwilling to get your child help, then it cannot be that serious and you are just lazy.

DP who did not redshirt.

You are absolutely ridiculous. What is wrong with you people?

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Anonymous wrote:I want a thread about why DCUM antiredshirt posters are so socially stunted and weird.

Agree. Unless it’s just one crazy person repeatedly posting…..

there is one poster who seems to post the same type of comment over and over. so i wonder if the majority of it is one person.

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If you redshirted your kid you did it for a reason and you don’t get to stop the rest of us from being annoyed at not having the same opportunity.,

Just as long as you don't get annoyed at the redshirted kid. It wouldn't be fair to be annoyed with someone for something they had no say in. For all you know, said redshirted kid would have started on time had it been up to them.

I feel bad for the kids and the few we know are poorly behaved and parents don't monitor things and are checked out. We've had to restrict friendships as the behavior was so off the hook on the group chats and other things.

I've never encouraged playdates with kids like yours for mine, as he was off the chart for height and most kids couldn't keep up with him physically and athletically. He spent the first day in private K doing cartwheels 😆 In K, he was mostly playing with kids from his soccer, baseball, and rugby teams, who were in 4th grade. However, academically, he was ready, as he was reading fluently by Christmas and was able to write Santa. Don't feel bad for him, he's 6'4 now and a freshman at MIT. He'll rule the world one day, he's still incredibly competitive and intense. So, for us, holding him back was the right choice. His older brother with a winter birthday and the calmest personality went on time and he's also doing great - he's at Brown in the PMLE program. There's no right approach, just listen to your child and assess their needs. And, most importantly, stop judging.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few people back their tall, mature, academically and athletically gifted 5 year olds with birthdays months before the cut off. WHY?
I know one who made the decision when her kid was one (July birthday)

Is it just so your kid has advantages socially and athletically and breezes through?

Mine is tall, academically gifted, athletic and also incredibly immature - boy with July birthday. He's that one - the youngest, at least one head taller than everyone else, and disturbing the entire class. Be thankful that we held him back, otherwise the teacher would have spent the entire time trying to get him to listen.

Okay, look. If you want to give your child every advantage you can, then fine. Some might actually say that that's your job as a parent. But don't act as if you were doing the entire world a favor. I don't think the on-time October-to-December born kids who are having to compete against him(someone 15-to-17 months older) are feeling very thankful.

They aren’t 15-17 months older. A child who is red shirted will turn 6 the summer before K (as opposed to 5). So you’re talking about a child turning 6 in July vs. the on time kids turning 6 in October or November. That is only a 3-4 month difference. And as the mom of a summer and fall baby, I just don’t care that much what other families do. My summer boy is very mature and academically advance. He would have been so bored being held back a year, I’m glad we went ahead and sent him even though he is a bit smaller at times compared to the kids with birthdays at the beginning of the school year. Whereas my younger DS is rather hyperactive/immature. I am glad he’ll be nearly 6 by the time he starts K. School readiness is so child dependent, not just based on age.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few people back their tall, mature, academically and athletically gifted 5 year olds with birthdays months before the cut off. WHY?
I know one who made the decision when her kid was one (July birthday)

Is it just so your kid has advantages socially and athletically and breezes through?

Mine is tall, academically gifted, athletic and also incredibly immature - boy with July birthday. He's that one - the youngest, at least one head taller than everyone else, and disturbing the entire class. Be thankful that we held him back, otherwise the teacher would have spent the entire time trying to get him to listen.

Okay, look. If you want to give your child every advantage you can, then fine. Some might actually say that that's your job as a parent. But don't act as if you were doing the entire world a favor. I don't think the on-time October-to-December born kids who are having to compete against him(someone 15-to-17 months older) are feeling very thankful.

They aren’t 15-17 months older. A child who is red shirted will turn 6 the summer before K (as opposed to 5). So you’re talking about a child turning 6 in July vs. the on time kids turning 6 in October or November. That is only a 3-4 month difference. And as the mom of a summer and fall baby, I just don’t care that much what other families do. My summer boy is very mature and academically advance. He would have been so bored being held back a year, I’m glad we went ahead and sent him even though he is a bit smaller at times compared to the kids with birthdays at the beginning of the school year. Whereas my younger DS is rather hyperactive/immature. I am glad he’ll be nearly 6 by the time he starts K. School readiness is so child dependent, not just based on age.

As a mom with older kids, this is so important. How would your youngest, immature child react around drugs and alcohol in college? Would that extra year help with the brain maturation? For boys, it's not completed until 24 y/o.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few people back their tall, mature, academically and athletically gifted 5 year olds with birthdays months before the cut off. WHY?
I know one who made the decision when her kid was one (July birthday)

Is it just so your kid has advantages socially and athletically and breezes through?

Mine is tall, academically gifted, athletic and also incredibly immature - boy with July birthday. He's that one - the youngest, at least one head taller than everyone else, and disturbing the entire class. Be thankful that we held him back, otherwise the teacher would have spent the entire time trying to get him to listen.

Okay, look. If you want to give your child every advantage you can, then fine. Some might actually say that that's your job as a parent. But don't act as if you were doing the entire world a favor. I don't think the on-time October-to-December born kids who are having to compete against him(someone 15-to-17 months older) are feeling very thankful.

They aren’t 15-17 months older. A child who is red shirted will turn 6 the summer before K (as opposed to 5). So you’re talking about a child turning 6 in July vs. the on time kids turning 6 in October or November. That is only a 3-4 month difference. And as the mom of a summer and fall baby, I just don’t care that much what other families do. My summer boy is very mature and academically advance. He would have been so bored being held back a year, I’m glad we went ahead and sent him even though he is a bit smaller at times compared to the kids with birthdays at the beginning of the school year. Whereas my younger DS is rather hyperactive/immature. I am glad he’ll be nearly 6 by the time he starts K. School readiness is so child dependent, not just based on age.

My DD who is an August birthday has at least 2 kids that are 15 mo older (May birthdays) in her class. I also know of a family that held 2 different April birthday kids. My daughters best classroom friend will turn 8 before she turns 7. So, there are some pretty sizable age gaps.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few people back their tall, mature, academically and athletically gifted 5 year olds with birthdays months before the cut off. WHY?
I know one who made the decision when her kid was one (July birthday)

Is it just so your kid has advantages socially and athletically and breezes through?

Mine is tall, academically gifted, athletic and also incredibly immature - boy with July birthday. He's that one - the youngest, at least one head taller than everyone else, and disturbing the entire class. Be thankful that we held him back, otherwise the teacher would have spent the entire time trying to get him to listen.

Okay, look. If you want to give your child every advantage you can, then fine. Some might actually say that that's your job as a parent. But don't act as if you were doing the entire world a favor. I don't think the on-time October-to-December born kids who are having to compete against him(someone 15-to-17 months older) are feeling very thankful.

They aren’t 15-17 months older. A child who is red shirted will turn 6 the summer before K (as opposed to 5). So you’re talking about a child turning 6 in July vs. the on time kids turning 6 in October or November. That is only a 3-4 month difference. And as the mom of a summer and fall baby, I just don’t care that much what other families do. My summer boy is very mature and academically advance. He would have been so bored being held back a year, I’m glad we went ahead and sent him even though he is a bit smaller at times compared to the kids with birthdays at the beginning of the school year. Whereas my younger DS is rather hyperactive/immature. I am glad he’ll be nearly 6 by the time he starts K. School readiness is so child dependent, not just based on age.

My DD who is an August birthday has at least 2 kids that are 15 mo older (May birthdays) in her class. I also know of a family that held 2 different April birthday kids. My daughters best classroom friend will turn 8 before she turns 7. So, there are some pretty sizable age gaps.

Long term, this is insignificant. I have a February boy and our neighbors have a March girl who was held back. They are both in college now.

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If you redshirted your kid you did it for a reason and you don’t get to stop the rest of us from being annoyed at not having the same opportunity.,

Just as long as you don't get annoyed at the redshirted kid. It wouldn't be fair to be annoyed with someone for something they had no say in. For all you know, said redshirted kid would have started on time had it been up to them.

I feel bad for the kids and the few we know are poorly behaved and parents don't monitor things and are checked out. We've had to restrict friendships as the behavior was so off the hook on the group chats and other things.

I've never encouraged playdates with kids like yours for mine, as he was off the chart for height and most kids couldn't keep up with him physically and athletically. He spent the first day in private K doing cartwheels 😆 In K, he was mostly playing with kids from his soccer, baseball, and rugby teams, who were in 4th grade. However, academically, he was ready, as he was reading fluently by Christmas and was able to write Santa. Don't feel bad for him, he's 6'4 now and a freshman at MIT. He'll rule the world one day, he's still incredibly competitive and intense. So, for us, holding him back was the right choice. His older brother with a winter birthday and the calmest personality went on time and he's also doing great - he's at Brown in the PMLE program. There's no right approach, just listen to your child and assess their needs. And, most importantly, stop judging.

Sounds like there was no reason to hold them back. Kinda sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few people back their tall, mature, academically and athletically gifted 5 year olds with birthdays months before the cut off. WHY?
I know one who made the decision when her kid was one (July birthday)

Is it just so your kid has advantages socially and athletically and breezes through?

Mine is tall, academically gifted, athletic and also incredibly immature - boy with July birthday. He's that one - the youngest, at least one head taller than everyone else, and disturbing the entire class. Be thankful that we held him back, otherwise the teacher would have spent the entire time trying to get him to listen.

Okay, look. If you want to give your child every advantage you can, then fine. Some might actually say that that's your job as a parent. But don't act as if you were doing the entire world a favor. I don't think the on-time October-to-December born kids who are having to compete against him(someone 15-to-17 months older) are feeling very thankful.

Of course they are. As a June baby, myself, I was generally one of the youngest in my class. In retrospect, maybe I should have been redshirted. However, given the choice, I think the kids who were too immature for class and caused constant interruptions, should have been redshirted, even if it meant they were nearly 2 years ahead of me. If an “on-time” child is struggling, they will not be grateful for anything that makes it harder to learn.

When I started K (which was more academic than most for the 70’s), I was at the bottom of the class. If any children were redshirted, I didn’t know and didn’t care. It wasn’t a competition that I resented someone else for winning by “cheating” (as the anti-redshirters claim). The issue was that I had trouble keeping up and learning how to read. It eventually clicked the following summer (I suspect a large part of my struggle was that I wasn’t developmentally ready for it). Then we moved and the new school system was using the same curriculum in 1st that I’d had in K. I went from the bottom of the K class to the top of the 1st class. That seems like more of a “competitive advantage” (although I hated it), than simply being older (I was still one of the youngest). I wonder if the anti-redshirters be okay with that, or would they think that in the interest of fairness, I should have been grade-skipped, putting me in a second grade class where compared to a young first-grader, everyone would have been older, essentially putting me in a “redshirted”class, (on-time everybody else with young me, vs redshirted kids with on-time students).

As a mother, I would much prefer that if kids aren’t ready to behave appropriately in a situation, the parents keep them at home until they are. If a younger child is causing a disruption, my children don’t gloat smugly about how they’re superior to the child in some imaginary competition. Rather, they get upset that somebody is interrupting the teacher, or personally bothering them, or messing with their stuff, etc.

Kids of any age can struggle at school. If you are getting your child help, it might help to hold them back, but otherwise you are better off sending them and letting the school help since you aren't willing. If you are unwilling to get your child help, then it cannot be that serious and you are just lazy.

DP who did not redshirt.

You are absolutely ridiculous. What is wrong with you people?

If your child is developmentally delayed you get them help. Doing nothing and just holding them back is harmful.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few people back their tall, mature, academically and athletically gifted 5 year olds with birthdays months before the cut off. WHY?
I know one who made the decision when her kid was one (July birthday)

Is it just so your kid has advantages socially and athletically and breezes through?

Mine is tall, academically gifted, athletic and also incredibly immature - boy with July birthday. He's that one - the youngest, at least one head taller than everyone else, and disturbing the entire class. Be thankful that we held him back, otherwise the teacher would have spent the entire time trying to get him to listen.

Okay, look. If you want to give your child every advantage you can, then fine. Some might actually say that that's your job as a parent. But don't act as if you were doing the entire world a favor. I don't think the on-time October-to-December born kids who are having to compete against him(someone 15-to-17 months older) are feeling very thankful.

Of course they are. As a June baby, myself, I was generally one of the youngest in my class. In retrospect, maybe I should have been redshirted. However, given the choice, I think the kids who were too immature for class and caused constant interruptions, should have been redshirted, even if it meant they were nearly 2 years ahead of me. If an “on-time” child is struggling, they will not be grateful for anything that makes it harder to learn.

When I started K (which was more academic than most for the 70’s), I was at the bottom of the class. If any children were redshirted, I didn’t know and didn’t care. It wasn’t a competition that I resented someone else for winning by “cheating” (as the anti-redshirters claim). The issue was that I had trouble keeping up and learning how to read. It eventually clicked the following summer (I suspect a large part of my struggle was that I wasn’t developmentally ready for it). Then we moved and the new school system was using the same curriculum in 1st that I’d had in K. I went from the bottom of the K class to the top of the 1st class. That seems like more of a “competitive advantage” (although I hated it), than simply being older (I was still one of the youngest). I wonder if the anti-redshirters be okay with that, or would they think that in the interest of fairness, I should have been grade-skipped, putting me in a second grade class where compared to a young first-grader, everyone would have been older, essentially putting me in a “redshirted”class, (on-time everybody else with young me, vs redshirted kids with on-time students).

As a mother, I would much prefer that if kids aren’t ready to behave appropriately in a situation, the parents keep them at home until they are. If a younger child is causing a disruption, my children don’t gloat smugly about how they’re superior to the child in some imaginary competition. Rather, they get upset that somebody is interrupting the teacher, or personally bothering them, or messing with their stuff, etc.

Kids of any age can struggle at school. If you are getting your child help, it might help to hold them back, but otherwise you are better off sending them and letting the school help since you aren't willing. If you are unwilling to get your child help, then it cannot be that serious and you are just lazy.

DP who did not redshirt.

You are absolutely ridiculous. What is wrong with you people?

If your child is developmentally delayed you get them help. Doing nothing and just holding them back is harmful.

Most of the people I know who held back did it on the advice of their pediatricians, who I think are probably a lot smarter than you.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few people back their tall, mature, academically and athletically gifted 5 year olds with birthdays months before the cut off. WHY?
I know one who made the decision when her kid was one (July birthday)

Is it just so your kid has advantages socially and athletically and breezes through?

Mine is tall, academically gifted, athletic and also incredibly immature - boy with July birthday. He's that one - the youngest, at least one head taller than everyone else, and disturbing the entire class. Be thankful that we held him back, otherwise the teacher would have spent the entire time trying to get him to listen.

Okay, look. If you want to give your child every advantage you can, then fine. Some might actually say that that's your job as a parent. But don't act as if you were doing the entire world a favor. I don't think the on-time October-to-December born kids who are having to compete against him(someone 15-to-17 months older) are feeling very thankful.

Of course they are. As a June baby, myself, I was generally one of the youngest in my class. In retrospect, maybe I should have been redshirted. However, given the choice, I think the kids who were too immature for class and caused constant interruptions, should have been redshirted, even if it meant they were nearly 2 years ahead of me. If an “on-time” child is struggling, they will not be grateful for anything that makes it harder to learn.

When I started K (which was more academic than most for the 70’s), I was at the bottom of the class. If any children were redshirted, I didn’t know and didn’t care. It wasn’t a competition that I resented someone else for winning by “cheating” (as the anti-redshirters claim). The issue was that I had trouble keeping up and learning how to read. It eventually clicked the following summer (I suspect a large part of my struggle was that I wasn’t developmentally ready for it). Then we moved and the new school system was using the same curriculum in 1st that I’d had in K. I went from the bottom of the K class to the top of the 1st class. That seems like more of a “competitive advantage” (although I hated it), than simply being older (I was still one of the youngest). I wonder if the anti-redshirters be okay with that, or would they think that in the interest of fairness, I should have been grade-skipped, putting me in a second grade class where compared to a young first-grader, everyone would have been older, essentially putting me in a “redshirted”class, (on-time everybody else with young me, vs redshirted kids with on-time students).

As a mother, I would much prefer that if kids aren’t ready to behave appropriately in a situation, the parents keep them at home until they are. If a younger child is causing a disruption, my children don’t gloat smugly about how they’re superior to the child in some imaginary competition. Rather, they get upset that somebody is interrupting the teacher, or personally bothering them, or messing with their stuff, etc.

Kids of any age can struggle at school. If you are getting your child help, it might help to hold them back, but otherwise you are better off sending them and letting the school help since you aren't willing. If you are unwilling to get your child help, then it cannot be that serious and you are just lazy.

DP who did not redshirt.

You are absolutely ridiculous. What is wrong with you people?

If your child is developmentally delayed you get them help. Doing nothing and just holding them back is harmful.

Most of the people I know who held back did it on the advice of their pediatricians, who I think are probably a lot smarter than you.

Yea I. Held back on the unanimous advice of my son’s preschool teachers and his pediatrician. Never ever regretted it.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few people back their tall, mature, academically and athletically gifted 5 year olds with birthdays months before the cut off. WHY?
I know one who made the decision when her kid was one (July birthday)

Is it just so your kid has advantages socially and athletically and breezes through?

Mine is tall, academically gifted, athletic and also incredibly immature - boy with July birthday. He's that one - the youngest, at least one head taller than everyone else, and disturbing the entire class. Be thankful that we held him back, otherwise the teacher would have spent the entire time trying to get him to listen.

Okay, look. If you want to give your child every advantage you can, then fine. Some might actually say that that's your job as a parent. But don't act as if you were doing the entire world a favor. I don't think the on-time October-to-December born kids who are having to compete against him(someone 15-to-17 months older) are feeling very thankful.

Of course they are. As a June baby, myself, I was generally one of the youngest in my class. In retrospect, maybe I should have been redshirted. However, given the choice, I think the kids who were too immature for class and caused constant interruptions, should have been redshirted, even if it meant they were nearly 2 years ahead of me. If an “on-time” child is struggling, they will not be grateful for anything that makes it harder to learn.

When I started K (which was more academic than most for the 70’s), I was at the bottom of the class. If any children were redshirted, I didn’t know and didn’t care. It wasn’t a competition that I resented someone else for winning by “cheating” (as the anti-redshirters claim). The issue was that I had trouble keeping up and learning how to read. It eventually clicked the following summer (I suspect a large part of my struggle was that I wasn’t developmentally ready for it). Then we moved and the new school system was using the same curriculum in 1st that I’d had in K. I went from the bottom of the K class to the top of the 1st class. That seems like more of a “competitive advantage” (although I hated it), than simply being older (I was still one of the youngest). I wonder if the anti-redshirters be okay with that, or would they think that in the interest of fairness, I should have been grade-skipped, putting me in a second grade class where compared to a young first-grader, everyone would have been older, essentially putting me in a “redshirted”class, (on-time everybody else with young me, vs redshirted kids with on-time students).

As a mother, I would much prefer that if kids aren’t ready to behave appropriately in a situation, the parents keep them at home until they are. If a younger child is causing a disruption, my children don’t gloat smugly about how they’re superior to the child in some imaginary competition. Rather, they get upset that somebody is interrupting the teacher, or personally bothering them, or messing with their stuff, etc.

Kids of any age can struggle at school. If you are getting your child help, it might help to hold them back, but otherwise you are better off sending them and letting the school help since you aren't willing. If you are unwilling to get your child help, then it cannot be that serious and you are just lazy.

DP who did not redshirt.

You are absolutely ridiculous. What is wrong with you people?

If your child is developmentally delayed you get them help. Doing nothing and just holding them back is harmful.

Most of the people I know who held back did it on the advice of their pediatricians, who I think are probably a lot smarter than you.

Yea I. Held back on the unanimous advice of my son’s preschool teachers and his pediatrician. Never ever regretted it.

Totally get asking preschool teachers - ours said unanimously to send our DD FWIW - but why ask your pediatrician? I'm not sure my pediatrician knows enough to comment on my child's behavior, social skills or academic ability. We see him once a year - I doubt he would know her name if we ran into him in the grocery store. On the extremely rare occasion we have to go in outside of our yearly visit (maaaaaaybe once a year) we always see a nurse. Not be snarky here, I just don't understand asking your pediatrician for guidance on whether or not to hold your kid back?

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The age gap of concern is the gap between the oldest redshirter and the youngest kid in the class. That is, by definition over 12 months based on how the system is designed. Its disingenious to focus on the oldest on age kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you trying to demonstrate facts with someone who has repeatedly shown that she is incapable of basic understanding? It is like arguing with a rock. This is the natural law antiredshirter. She lacks capacity. You can point out the facts of the academic year until you are blue in the face, and she will not comprehend. She needs compassion and serious help outside of DCUM. What she doesn't need is to be taken seriously.

Let me see if I can explain why redshirting and greenshirting are problematic with a few examples

Let's suppose that in a given school district, you decide to line up all the students in that district in order of their ages on a huge field, with the oldest on the left end and the youngest on the right end. Let's also suppose that you have 13 long ropes and that you want to use each rope to encircle all the students in a certain year by laying the rope along the grass around them. The rope on the left end would be placed around the feet of the 12th graders, while the rope on the right end would be placed around the feet of the Kindergarteners. In order for this to be able to work, the youngest student in any given year(aside from Kindergarten) would have to be older than the oldest student in the year below. For instance, let's suppose you have a redshirted 11th grader with an early October birthday. This means they would be standing to the left of roughly a quarter of the 12th graders. It would be impossible to encircle all the 12th graders without also encircling the redshirted 11th grader, and it would also be impossible to encircle all the 11th graders without also encircling the quarter of 12th graders younger than the redshirted 11th grader.

For another example, let's suppose that you print a list of the names of all the students in a given school district in order of age, with the name of the oldest on the top and the name of the youngest on the bottom. Let's suppose that you want to cut that list up such that you have one sheet for each grade. In order to be able to do this, the youngest student in any given year(aside from Kindergarten) would have to be older than the oldest student in the year below. In this case, you would simply make each cut between the name of the youngest student in grade N and the name of the oldest student in grade N-1. But let's suppose there's a greenshirted 12th grader with an early April birthday. This means their name would be listed below roughly a quarter of the 11th grader's names. Making the first cut right above the name of the oldest 11th grader would leave out that 12th grader, but making the first cut right below the name of the greenshirted 12th grader would include that oldest quarter of 11th graders. In other words, you'd be quite torn about where to make that first cut.

For a final example, let's suppose you record the exact ages of all the students in a given school district. Afterwards, you decide to make 13 disjoint closed intervals to represent each grade, where the lower bound represents the age of the youngest student in that grade and the upper bound represents the age of the oldest student in that grade. For those who don't know, two intervals are disjoint when their intersection is empty. For instance, the intervals [2, 3] and [4, 5] are disjoint because the upper boundary of one interval is less than the lower boundary of the other interval. However, the intervals [2, 4] and [3, 5] are not disjoint because their intersection is [3, 4], which obviously isn't empty. In order for all 13 intervals to be disjoint with each other, the youngest student in any given year(aside from Kindergarten) would have to be older than the oldest student in the year below. Let's suppose that the interval for 11th graders is [Q, R] and that the interval for 12th graders is [S, T]. As long as R<S, then the intervals will be disjoint. However, if there's a redshirted 11th grader with an early October birthday, then that pretty much guarantees that R>S, as R will reflect the age of the redshirted 11th grader, and S will reflect the age of someone who had turned 17 that month. In that case, the intersection would be [S, R], which obviously isn't empty.

I hope it's now crystal clear why I'm against redshirting and greenshirting.

Seek. Help.

Also TL;DR but good grief! +1!

Well, you really only need to read one of the paragraphs to get the idea. I just really wanted to drive home my point.

Well, you failed again. Unless your point is to prove that you are bonkers. In that case, good job!

I just thought of a much more simple way to explain what I'm getting at. You know how it defies nature to die someone older than you, right? Well, it also defies nature to graduate high school before someone older than you.

Do you think that for the graduation ceremony, everyone should line up by birthdates so the oldest get their diplomas first? That way the natural law will be satisfied.

It gives everyone a false sense of identity as if you hold your kids back and don't put them in advanced classes, you can scream they are so smart for all A's when they are only doing it as they are older and in dumbed down classes.

The bold isn't true. The older kids are usually enrolled in more difficult classes. They're usually the ones taking all honors and AP classes, as well os the ones who take Algebra in 7th grade and Calculus in 11th grade.

If you are putting a held back child into Algebra in 7th, they aren't any smarter, they are older. So, if they were smart, they would have been doing it in 6th or in 7th as an age appropriate student. In our school system smart kids take Algebra in 6th or 7th grade. Mine started Algebra in 6th. You cannot brag how smart your kid is if you held them back so they are 13 in 7th vs.12 and doing Algebra. They would be doing great if they weren't held back and doing Algebra in 7th. But, held back, they really should at least be in Geometry, if not Algebra 2.

And, no, its not the older kids in more difficult classes. Its the kids with high IQ's or willing to work hard. Age does not matter as much as IQ/smarts.

Honestly, math-tracks vary by race and gender. Here are the different math-tracks people have from grades 9 to 12 broken down by their race and their gender:

White boys:

Pre-Calculus
Calculus AB
Calculus BC
Multivariable Calculus

White girls and Asian boys:

Algebra II
Pre-Calculus
Calculus AB
Calculus BC

Asian girls and Latin boys:

Geometry
Algebra II
Pre-Calculus
Calculus AB

Latin girls and black boys:

Algebra I
Geometry
Algebra II
Pre-Calculus

Black girls:

Pre-Algebra
Algebra I
Geometry
Algebra II

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Anonymous wrote:I want a thread about why DCUM antiredshirt posters are so socially stunted and weird.

Agree. Unless it’s just one crazy person repeatedly posting…..

there is one poster who seems to post the same type of comment over and over. so i wonder if the majority of it is one person.

+1 this person also assumes everyone uses a 12/31 cut off. That person just posts the same nonsense over and over and seemingly never reads other posts or updates their outdated information.