Guiliani, Trump, and Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do we start a new Rudy thread for Venezuela or just extend this one?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyer-and-the-venezuelan-president-how-giuliani-got-involved-in-back-channel-talks-with-maduro/2019/12/29/289dc6aa-235f-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.html

Giuliani, Parnas, shadow foreign policy, wealthy-business executive linked to money-laundering through Miami real estate sales...sound familiar?

A passage from Fiona Hill's deposition transcript:

... My jaw dropped when I saw the indictments of these two gentlemen, of Fruman and Parnas. So it becomes clear that they were certainly up to no good. But that was what I was already hearing.

"And I was also told by Amos [Hochstein, former U.S. Energy Envoy to Ukraine] and other colleagues that they had some linkages, so I also want to, you know, get you to step back at this period. This is, you know, March, April, into May, where we were having a standoff over Venezuela. And the Russians at this particular juncture were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine.

In other words, if we were going to exert some semblance of the Monroe Doctrine of, you know, Russia keeping out of our backyard, because this is after the Russians had sent in these hundred operatives essentially to, you know, basically secure the Venezuelan Government and, you know, to preempt what they were obviously taking to be some kind of U.S. military action, they were basically signaling: You know, you have your Monroe doctrine. You want us out of your backyard. Well, you know, we have our own version of this. You're in our backyard in Ukraine. And we were getting that sent to us, you know, kind of informally through channels. It was in the Russian press, various commentators.

And I was asked to go out to Russia in this time frame to basically tell the Russians to knock this off. I was given a special assignment by the National Security Council with the agreement with the State Department to get the Russians to back off.

So, in the course of my discussions with my colleagues [names redacted], I also found out that there were Ukrainian energy interests that had been in the mix in Venezuelan energy sectors as well as the names again of Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman, and this gentleman Harry Sargeant came up. And my colleagues [names redacted] said these guys were notorious in Florida and that they were bad news.

Q. And you understood that they were working with Rudy Giuliani at that point?

A. I did at this point.

Holy moly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do we start a new Rudy thread for Venezuela or just extend this one?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyer-and-the-venezuelan-president-how-giuliani-got-involved-in-back-channel-talks-with-maduro/2019/12/29/289dc6aa-235f-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.html

Giuliani, Parnas, shadow foreign policy, wealthy-business executive linked to money-laundering through Miami real estate sales...sound familiar?

A passage from Fiona Hill's deposition transcript:

... My jaw dropped when I saw the indictments of these two gentlemen, of Fruman and Parnas. So it becomes clear that they were certainly up to no good. But that was what I was already hearing.

"And I was also told by Amos [Hochstein, former U.S. Energy Envoy to Ukraine] and other colleagues that they had some linkages, so I also want to, you know, get you to step back at this period. This is, you know, March, April, into May, where we were having a standoff over Venezuela. And the Russians at this particular juncture were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine.

In other words, if we were going to exert some semblance of the Monroe Doctrine of, you know, Russia keeping out of our backyard, because this is after the Russians had sent in these hundred operatives essentially to, you know, basically secure the Venezuelan Government and, you know, to preempt what they were obviously taking to be some kind of U.S. military action, they were basically signaling: You know, you have your Monroe doctrine. You want us out of your backyard. Well, you know, we have our own version of this. You're in our backyard in Ukraine. And we were getting that sent to us, you know, kind of informally through channels. It was in the Russian press, various commentators.

And I was asked to go out to Russia in this time frame to basically tell the Russians to knock this off. I was given a special assignment by the National Security Council with the agreement with the State Department to get the Russians to back off.

So, in the course of my discussions with my colleagues [names redacted], I also found out that there were Ukrainian energy interests that had been in the mix in Venezuelan energy sectors as well as the names again of Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman, and this gentleman Harry Sargeant came up. And my colleagues [names redacted] said these guys were notorious in Florida and that they were bad news.

Q. And you understood that they were working with Rudy Giuliani at that point?

A. I did at this point.

Holy moly

Why do all roads lead to Putin? This is so disappointing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do we start a new Rudy thread for Venezuela or just extend this one?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyer-and-the-venezuelan-president-how-giuliani-got-involved-in-back-channel-talks-with-maduro/2019/12/29/289dc6aa-235f-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.html

Giuliani, Parnas, shadow foreign policy, wealthy-business executive linked to money-laundering through Miami real estate sales...sound familiar?

A passage from Fiona Hill's deposition transcript:

... My jaw dropped when I saw the indictments of these two gentlemen, of Fruman and Parnas. So it becomes clear that they were certainly up to no good. But that was what I was already hearing.

"And I was also told by Amos [Hochstein, former U.S. Energy Envoy to Ukraine] and other colleagues that they had some linkages, so I also want to, you know, get you to step back at this period. This is, you know, March, April, into May, where we were having a standoff over Venezuela. And the Russians at this particular juncture were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine.

In other words, if we were going to exert some semblance of the Monroe Doctrine of, you know, Russia keeping out of our backyard, because this is after the Russians had sent in these hundred operatives essentially to, you know, basically secure the Venezuelan Government and, you know, to preempt what they were obviously taking to be some kind of U.S. military action, they were basically signaling: You know, you have your Monroe doctrine. You want us out of your backyard. Well, you know, we have our own version of this. You're in our backyard in Ukraine. And we were getting that sent to us, you know, kind of informally through channels. It was in the Russian press, various commentators.

And I was asked to go out to Russia in this time frame to basically tell the Russians to knock this off. I was given a special assignment by the National Security Council with the agreement with the State Department to get the Russians to back off.

So, in the course of my discussions with my colleagues [names redacted], I also found out that there were Ukrainian energy interests that had been in the mix in Venezuelan energy sectors as well as the names again of Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman, and this gentleman Harry Sargeant came up. And my colleagues [names redacted] said these guys were notorious in Florida and that they were bad news.

Q. And you understood that they were working with Rudy Giuliani at that point?

A. I did at this point.

Holy moly

Why do all roads lead to Putin? This is so disappointing

Do we know more about this story?

[Anonymous]

The documentation about Rudy and Eric Prince doing this same stuff in Venezeula, is coming out.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/476300-us-officials-say-erik-prince-may-have-violated-venezuela-sanctions

It's almost like there is a pattern or something.

[Anonymous]

Pompeo canceled his trip to Ukraine

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/01/politics/pompeo-ukraine-trip-postponed/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pompeo canceled his trip to Ukraine

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/01/politics/pompeo-ukraine-trip-postponed/index.html

Does that mean Taylor can stay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The documentation about Rudy and Eric Prince doing this same stuff in Venezeula, is coming out.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/476300-us-officials-say-erik-prince-may-have-violated-venezuela-sanctions

It's almost like there is a pattern or something.

Such a rogues gallery of people in charge of our foreign policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parnas really really REALLY wants to share all his SDNY evidence with the House Intel Committee.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lev-parnas-rudy-giuliani-associate-pushes-to-share-his-information-with-the-house-intelligence-committee

Parnas’s lawyer today:
“Earlier this morning, the Court granted Lev Parnas’ request to allow production of certain materials to HPSCI in the Impeachment Inquiry, which we are doing. As the Government produces additional materials, we will seek similar judicial Orders.”

[Anonymous]

Social media posts, such as this one from November, are par for the course. Lying is second nature to folks like this. They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[Anonymous]

Looks like Zalensky gave in and hired someone with ties to Rudy

So, Russia and Trump are winning.

[Anonymous]

And, the story changes (again)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do we start a new Rudy thread for Venezuela or just extend this one?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyer-and-the-venezuelan-president-how-giuliani-got-involved-in-back-channel-talks-with-maduro/2019/12/29/289dc6aa-235f-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.html

Giuliani, Parnas, shadow foreign policy, wealthy-business executive linked to money-laundering through Miami real estate sales...sound familiar?

A passage from Fiona Hill's deposition transcript:

... My jaw dropped when I saw the indictments of these two gentlemen, of Fruman and Parnas. So it becomes clear that they were certainly up to no good. But that was what I was already hearing.

"And I was also told by Amos [Hochstein, former U.S. Energy Envoy to Ukraine] and other colleagues that they had some linkages, so I also want to, you know, get you to step back at this period. This is, you know, March, April, into May, where we were having a standoff over Venezuela. And the Russians at this particular juncture were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine.

In other words, if we were going to exert some semblance of the Monroe Doctrine of, you know, Russia keeping out of our backyard, because this is after the Russians had sent in these hundred operatives essentially to, you know, basically secure the Venezuelan Government and, you know, to preempt what they were obviously taking to be some kind of U.S. military action, they were basically signaling: You know, you have your Monroe doctrine. You want us out of your backyard. Well, you know, we have our own version of this. You're in our backyard in Ukraine. And we were getting that sent to us, you know, kind of informally through channels. It was in the Russian press, various commentators.

And I was asked to go out to Russia in this time frame to basically tell the Russians to knock this off. I was given a special assignment by the National Security Council with the agreement with the State Department to get the Russians to back off.

So, in the course of my discussions with my colleagues [names redacted], I also found out that there were Ukrainian energy interests that had been in the mix in Venezuelan energy sectors as well as the names again of Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman, and this gentleman Harry Sargeant came up. And my colleagues [names redacted] said these guys were notorious in Florida and that they were bad news.

Q. And you understood that they were working with Rudy Giuliani at that point?

A. I did at this point.

Holy moly

Why do all roads lead to Putin? This is so disappointing

You know damn well why all roads lead to Putin. I’ve posted the graphic a zillion times.

[Anonymous]

What's been deleted/redacted from the blue lines in the 3 posts before this one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's been deleted/redacted from the blue lines in the 3 posts before this one?

I mean the ones from 1/18, 2/11, and today at 20:26. I see a blue line like the background of a quote, in each, and nothing there although the posts look like they were intended to include quotes or twitter links or something.

[Anonymous]

Le Carre's latest anti-American propaganda novel, Running Agents in the Field, reads likes today's headlines with respect to Trump, Putin, and Ukraine.