Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

+1 you're really not going to convince anyone that nurses have it easier. For a lot of reasons that should be obvious.

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Playing the suffering olympics versus nurses is not a good look for teachers.

Why not just tell us how your job is harder than those at meat-packing facilities.

You’re comparing apples to oranges there. Teachers have a 4 yr degree as a minimum. Many workers in meat packing aren’t even legal in this country. Not comparable. Teachers and nurses are similar in terms of education. Both professions have shortages but nobody wants to listen to those doing the job as to why they are leaving. In many cases, it’s an easy, cheap fix.

UGHHHH. You aren't getting the point. Different jobs have different features and are not comparable, and yet you insist on comparing them to say that teachers have it worst. You are COMPARING nurses and teachers to say teacher have it worse, not allowing that they are NOT COMPARABLE.

UGHHHHH. YOU aren’t getting the point.

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Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are arguing with, like, ONE teacher here.

Nope. And some of who agree with the teacher aren’t even teachers. We’re just - gasp! - rational parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers lost all credibility when they chose not to teach and sold the idea that it didn't really matter

They did teach. Their employers set the conditions of their employment, not you. Enjoy staying ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

If you have all these degrees and certifications, why are you a teacher? You seem hell bent on convincing everyone it’s the hardest profession and everyone else’s jobs/lives are so much easier, so I can’t understand why you would do it.

Keep pushing and let's see what you are left with in terms of teachers. Moron.

But truly, why complain so incessantly that you should and can be paid more and then don’t go and get paid more? I get it, schools will go to dust if all teachers leave. Or maybe we’ll just outsource everything to India, since remote school is school. No one of this board can pay you more.

I’ve posted several times on this thread. I have never complained. Instead, I have tried to explain my working conditions. I have never said I want more money. Instead, I have written that I could do my job more effectively and efficiently if I could get more planning time during work hours. I work 20+ extra hours every week because I only get 3-4 hours without students during the *entire work week.*

These are not complaints. They never have been. They have been explanations. The question of this thread was never about pay. It was about being overworked. I responded that yes, I am very, very overworked. I’m leaving the profession after 20 years, and I’m following many good teachers out the door.

Posters decided to make this a hostile thread attacking anything a teacher wrote. That is also part of the problem. At a time when we need to support teachers so they’ll stay and teach our children, some posters have decided to pile on the insults. Support could have been so easy, too… something simple like “we see the work you do. We acknowledge it.” Heck, I don’t even need THANKS, just an acknowledgment that this job can be hard would have been nice.

So you are leaving. Congrats!

I don’t think anyone is reacting to teachers saying they are overworked or describing their working conditions (no, I have read all of this insane thread). What I see are reactions to the insistence that that teachers are the only ones overworked, the most overworked, treated the worst, have the worst working conditions. Like no one else could possibly understand. And that any other overworked professional should suck it up because they’re paid more than teachers (which isn’t even true). You’re basically doing to other people what you’re complaining about having done to you.

And there it is. Did I mention other professions in that post? (Or in any of my others?) No. I HAVE posted earlier that I’m aware other professions are hard. I can acknowledge that, and I already have. Here I am doing it again.

Notice that was too much of an ask of you to do in return. See the problem?

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I am taking a sick day today and tomorrow in order to grade because final grades are due Friday. I lost most of my planning periods to coverage and meetings. I graded at home most evenings and weekends, but I also have my own children who needed me.

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So we have been arguing for 41 pages teachers, what can parents realistically do to improve conditions? I voted for a school board that I thought would support teachers. I would gladly vote for more funding for our local schools. I believe that we need smaller class sizes, particularly in ES. I have addressed the behavior problems in my kids that have been brought to my attention.

But, I will defend my kids when appropriate. Having been lied to several times by trusted adults about their behavior, I will ask questions and not just assume that you are right and they are wrong.(On the flip side, I won’t assume that they are right and you are wrong). And I won’t allow my kid to pick on other kids, but since the schools can’t stop the mean girl crap, I have given my DD permission to defend/protect herself as necessary, even if she too has to be mean in the process.

The people in charge of the system have pitted teachers against parents when really, we are all stuck in the same broken system trying to get through it. These fights are a distraction from the real problem. So how do we work together to actually fix things?

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Anonymous wrote:I am taking a sick day today and tomorrow in order to grade because final grades are due Friday. I lost most of my planning periods to coverage and meetings. I graded at home most evenings and weekends, but I also have my own children who needed me.

Fellow teacher here who did this recently, too. I know what you’re going through! I wish I could gift you some time.

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Anonymous wrote:Another ES teacher who fully agrees! I hated teaching online it adapted when I was forced to. Volunteered to go back in person the second it was allowed. Every teacher at my school knew online was bad for kids.

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When surveyed in the summer of 2020 we said we would teach in-person. While the hybrid model was not ideal it was nice to have the students back in the buildings.

2 ES Teachers

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

If you have all these degrees and certifications, why are you a teacher? You seem hell bent on convincing everyone it’s the hardest profession and everyone else’s jobs/lives are so much easier, so I can’t understand why you would do it.

Keep pushing and let's see what you are left with in terms of teachers. Moron.

But truly, why complain so incessantly that you should and can be paid more and then don’t go and get paid more? I get it, schools will go to dust if all teachers leave. Or maybe we’ll just outsource everything to India, since remote school is school. No one of this board can pay you more.

I’ve posted several times on this thread. I have never complained. Instead, I have tried to explain my working conditions. I have never said I want more money. Instead, I have written that I could do my job more effectively and efficiently if I could get more planning time during work hours. I work 20+ extra hours every week because I only get 3-4 hours without students during the *entire work week.*

These are not complaints. They never have been. They have been explanations. The question of this thread was never about pay. It was about being overworked. I responded that yes, I am very, very overworked. I’m leaving the profession after 20 years, and I’m following many good teachers out the door.

Posters decided to make this a hostile thread attacking anything a teacher wrote. That is also part of the problem. At a time when we need to support teachers so they’ll stay and teach our children, some posters have decided to pile on the insults. Support could have been so easy, too… something simple like “we see the work you do. We acknowledge it.” Heck, I don’t even need THANKS, just an acknowledgment that this job can be hard would have been nice.

So you are leaving. Congrats!

I don’t think anyone is reacting to teachers saying they are overworked or describing their working conditions (no, I have read all of this insane thread). What I see are reactions to the insistence that that teachers are the only ones overworked, the most overworked, treated the worst, have the worst working conditions. Like no one else could possibly understand. And that any other overworked professional should suck it up because they’re paid more than teachers (which isn’t even true). You’re basically doing to other people what you’re complaining about having done to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

If you have all these degrees and certifications, why are you a teacher? You seem hell bent on convincing everyone it’s the hardest profession and everyone else’s jobs/lives are so much easier, so I can’t understand why you would do it.

Keep pushing and let's see what you are left with in terms of teachers. Moron.

But truly, why complain so incessantly that you should and can be paid more and then don’t go and get paid more? I get it, schools will go to dust if all teachers leave. Or maybe we’ll just outsource everything to India, since remote school is school. No one of this board can pay you more.

I’ve posted several times on this thread. I have never complained. Instead, I have tried to explain my working conditions. I have never said I want more money. Instead, I have written that I could do my job more effectively and efficiently if I could get more planning time during work hours. I work 20+ extra hours every week because I only get 3-4 hours without students during the *entire work week.*

These are not complaints. They never have been. They have been explanations. The question of this thread was never about pay. It was about being overworked. I responded that yes, I am very, very overworked. I’m leaving the profession after 20 years, and I’m following many good teachers out the door.

Posters decided to make this a hostile thread attacking anything a teacher wrote. That is also part of the problem. At a time when we need to support teachers so they’ll stay and teach our children, some posters have decided to pile on the insults. Support could have been so easy, too… something simple like “we see the work you do. We acknowledge it.” Heck, I don’t even need THANKS, just an acknowledgment that this job can be hard would have been nice.

So you are leaving. Congrats!

I don’t think anyone is reacting to teachers saying they are overworked or describing their working conditions (no, I have read all of this insane thread). What I see are reactions to the insistence that that teachers are the only ones overworked, the most overworked, treated the worst, have the worst working conditions. Like no one else could possibly understand. And that any other overworked professional should suck it up because they’re paid more than teachers (which isn’t even true). You’re basically doing to other people what you’re complaining about having done to you.

And there it is. Did I mention other professions in that post? (Or in any of my others?) No. I HAVE posted earlier that I’m aware other professions are hard. I can acknowledge that, and I already have. Here I am doing it again.

Notice that was too much of an ask of you to do in return. See the problem?

No, since page 1 of this thread people have acknowledged that teachers feel overworked and there have been examples of how to appreciate teachers. There have been lots and lots of statements about "I get that you work hard."

But also, when there's a person who says they are a teacher and is taking a dump on nurses? That's just juvenile comparison that hurts the perception of the teaching profession more than anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

If you have all these degrees and certifications, why are you a teacher? You seem hell bent on convincing everyone it’s the hardest profession and everyone else’s jobs/lives are so much easier, so I can’t understand why you would do it.

Keep pushing and let's see what you are left with in terms of teachers. Moron.

But truly, why complain so incessantly that you should and can be paid more and then don’t go and get paid more? I get it, schools will go to dust if all teachers leave. Or maybe we’ll just outsource everything to India, since remote school is school. No one of this board can pay you more.

I’ve posted several times on this thread. I have never complained. Instead, I have tried to explain my working conditions. I have never said I want more money. Instead, I have written that I could do my job more effectively and efficiently if I could get more planning time during work hours. I work 20+ extra hours every week because I only get 3-4 hours without students during the *entire work week.*

These are not complaints. They never have been. They have been explanations. The question of this thread was never about pay. It was about being overworked. I responded that yes, I am very, very overworked. I’m leaving the profession after 20 years, and I’m following many good teachers out the door.

Posters decided to make this a hostile thread attacking anything a teacher wrote. That is also part of the problem. At a time when we need to support teachers so they’ll stay and teach our children, some posters have decided to pile on the insults. Support could have been so easy, too… something simple like “we see the work you do. We acknowledge it.” Heck, I don’t even need THANKS, just an acknowledgment that this job can be hard would have been nice.

So you are leaving. Congrats!

I don’t think anyone is reacting to teachers saying they are overworked or describing their working conditions (no, I have read all of this insane thread). What I see are reactions to the insistence that that teachers are the only ones overworked, the most overworked, treated the worst, have the worst working conditions. Like no one else could possibly understand. And that any other overworked professional should suck it up because they’re paid more than teachers (which isn’t even true). You’re basically doing to other people what you’re complaining about having done to you.

And there it is. Did I mention other professions in that post? (Or in any of my others?) No. I HAVE posted earlier that I’m aware other professions are hard. I can acknowledge that, and I already have. Here I am doing it again.

Notice that was too much of an ask of you to do in return. See the problem?

You realize we don't know which posts are your's versus someone else's, right? There are people here going hard on comparing teaching to other jobs to say it is the hardest/most underpaid.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

Don't you get holiday pay? My mom was a nurse and always volunteered to work holidays because she got holiday pay.

NP Well bully for your mom! My mom would have liked to have been there on Christmas morning with us. We had no local family so every other year was rough. It was just my dad and I. Holiday pay isn't that great.

“Christmas morning” in your own home isn’t tied to a calendar date. Sorry your mom sucked at problem solving.

This is ghoulish.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

+1 you're really not going to convince anyone that nurses have it easier. For a lot of reasons that should be obvious.

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Playing the suffering olympics versus nurses is not a good look for teachers.

Why not just tell us how your job is harder than those at meat-packing facilities.

You’re comparing apples to oranges there. Teachers have a 4 yr degree as a minimum. Many workers in meat packing aren’t even legal in this country. Not comparable. Teachers and nurses are similar in terms of education. Both professions have shortages but nobody wants to listen to those doing the job as to why they are leaving. In many cases, it’s an easy, cheap fix.

UGHHHH. You aren't getting the point. Different jobs have different features and are not comparable, and yet you insist on comparing them to say that teachers have it worst. You are COMPARING nurses and teachers to say teacher have it worse, not allowing that they are NOT COMPARABLE.

UGHHHHH. YOU aren’t getting the point.

What is your point?

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why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are? Because most people are overworked and no one cares about that. Families have gotten tired of teachers complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers lost all credibility when they chose not to teach and sold the idea that it didn't really matter

They did teach. Their employers set the conditions of their employment, not you. Enjoy staying ignorant.

Most did not teach and did not oppose the teaching bans.


The profession is dead.