Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers lost all credibility when they chose not to teach and sold the idea that it didn't really matter

You are aware that many of us worked in person throughout the pandemic, correct? Perhaps your district decided to close, but many did not.

- a teacher who taught virtually for 2 months at the start, and then went right back into the classroom

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers lost all credibility when they chose not to teach and sold the idea that it didn't really matter

Parents lost all credibility when we saw into your homes and witnessed how little parenting actually takes place.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

If you have all these degrees and certifications, why are you a teacher? You seem hell bent on convincing everyone it’s the hardest profession and everyone else’s jobs/lives are so much easier, so I can’t understand why you would do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers lost all credibility when they chose not to teach and sold the idea that it didn't really matter

When was that?

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers lost all credibility when they chose not to teach and sold the idea that it didn't really matter

Parents don't have a lot of credibility these days either. Everything is the schools responsibility and all parents do these days is whine....thread after thread

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

If you have all these degrees and certifications, why are you a teacher? You seem hell bent on convincing everyone it’s the hardest profession and everyone else’s jobs/lives are so much easier, so I can’t understand why you would do it.

Keep pushing and let's see what you are left with in terms of teachers. Moron.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

If you have all these degrees and certifications, why are you a teacher? You seem hell bent on convincing everyone it’s the hardest profession and everyone else’s jobs/lives are so much easier, so I can’t understand why you would do it.

While I have posted on this thread before, I’m not the only teacher posting BY FAR. I’m not “hell bent” on convincing you about anything.

As a teacher, I have a mission to correct inaccurate information when I see it, and it has been all over this thread.

And as far as all of my degrees and education, why WOULDN’T I want to be a teacher? It’s an honorable and meaningful profession. I do wish it wasn’t so disrespected. I work very hard and I do my job very well.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers lost all credibility when they chose not to teach and sold the idea that it didn't really matter

When was that?

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I’m an ES teacher. I did the best I could to teach online. I hated it. I went into our school every day and taught from there. Every ES teacher I know would have rather had the students in-person, at school. Nobody I know who works with ES students preferred online instruction. Nobody I know said it didn’t matter.

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Another ES teacher who fully agrees! I hated teaching online it adapted when I was forced to. Volunteered to go back in person the second it was allowed. Every teacher at my school knew online was bad for kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers lost all credibility when they chose not to teach and sold the idea that it didn't really matter

Parents lost all credibility when we saw into your homes and witnessed how little parenting actually takes place.

Just stop teaching. You clearly hate it.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

If you have all these degrees and certifications, why are you a teacher? You seem hell bent on convincing everyone it’s the hardest profession and everyone else’s jobs/lives are so much easier, so I can’t understand why you would do it.

Keep pushing and let's see what you are left with in terms of teachers. Moron.

But truly, why complain so incessantly that you should and can be paid more and then don’t go and get paid more? I get it, schools will go to dust if all teachers leave. Or maybe we’ll just outsource everything to India, since remote school is school. No one of this board can pay you more.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

If you have all these degrees and certifications, why are you a teacher? You seem hell bent on convincing everyone it’s the hardest profession and everyone else’s jobs/lives are so much easier, so I can’t understand why you would do it.

Keep pushing and let's see what you are left with in terms of teachers. Moron.

But truly, why complain so incessantly that you should and can be paid more and then don’t go and get paid more? I get it, schools will go to dust if all teachers leave. Or maybe we’ll just outsource everything to India, since remote school is school. No one of this board can pay you more.

I’ve posted several times on this thread. I have never complained. Instead, I have tried to explain my working conditions. I have never said I want more money. Instead, I have written that I could do my job more effectively and efficiently if I could get more planning time during work hours. I work 20+ extra hours every week because I only get 3-4 hours without students during the *entire work week.*

These are not complaints. They never have been. They have been explanations. The question of this thread was never about pay. It was about being overworked. I responded that yes, I am very, very overworked. I’m leaving the profession after 20 years, and I’m following many good teachers out the door.

Posters decided to make this a hostile thread attacking anything a teacher wrote. That is also part of the problem. At a time when we need to support teachers so they’ll stay and teach our children, some posters have decided to pile on the insults. Support could have been so easy, too… something simple like “we see the work you do. We acknowledge it.” Heck, I don’t even need THANKS, just an acknowledgment that this job can be hard would have been nice.

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Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

This sounds like the life of many professionals who sit in meetings all day.

But are they really all day? Do you have to prep for and lead these meetings, or just sit in them? Can you multitask during them?

These are the distinctions that I think makes teaching quite different. Teaching is the equivalent of leading 6+ hours of meetings 5 days a week.

Oh please, I work sixty hour work weeks to prepare for my zoom meetings. That's right, Saturdays and Sundays, not all day, but my evenings during the week are late and I can't remember the last time I didn't put in fifty hours to be at the top of my game. The competition is harsh in my industry, but I love what I do. I balance my family life and lack of sleep for the rewards of my work. I am so incredibly sick of hearing about these poor f g teachers like they are matrys or something. They chose their careers and clearly have the education to move to another career if their so unhappy with the work hours, as I could do the same. If you don't like your work move on, I for one am not cheering on teachers when I have to provide additional resources to my DC just to have them learn basic math and grammar. Why do I have to do this? The teachers constantly complain about how difficult it is to fit everything in on the curriculum and freely suggest we provide the extra help if we feel it is needed. JFC I would be fired if I talked about my job this way. If you don't like teaching, quit, I don't want you in a classroom with my children and any other child if you do not enjoy your job.

You’d better be homeschooling then, as voluntarily putting your kids in the custody of those terrible, awful martyr teachers on a regular basis would make you a terrible parent.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

If you have all these degrees and certifications, why are you a teacher? You seem hell bent on convincing everyone it’s the hardest profession and everyone else’s jobs/lives are so much easier, so I can’t understand why you would do it.

Keep pushing and let's see what you are left with in terms of teachers. Moron.

But truly, why complain so incessantly that you should and can be paid more and then don’t go and get paid more? I get it, schools will go to dust if all teachers leave. Or maybe we’ll just outsource everything to India, since remote school is school. No one of this board can pay you more.

I’ve posted several times on this thread. I have never complained. Instead, I have tried to explain my working conditions. I have never said I want more money. Instead, I have written that I could do my job more effectively and efficiently if I could get more planning time during work hours. I work 20+ extra hours every week because I only get 3-4 hours without students during the *entire work week.*

These are not complaints. They never have been. They have been explanations. The question of this thread was never about pay. It was about being overworked. I responded that yes, I am very, very overworked. I’m leaving the profession after 20 years, and I’m following many good teachers out the door.

Posters decided to make this a hostile thread attacking anything a teacher wrote. That is also part of the problem. At a time when we need to support teachers so they’ll stay and teach our children, some posters have decided to pile on the insults. Support could have been so easy, too… something simple like “we see the work you do. We acknowledge it.” Heck, I don’t even need THANKS, just an acknowledgment that this job can be hard would have been nice.

So you are leaving. Congrats!

I don’t think anyone is reacting to teachers saying they are overworked or describing their working conditions (no, I have read all of this insane thread). What I see are reactions to the insistence that that teachers are the only ones overworked, the most overworked, treated the worst, have the worst working conditions. Like no one else could possibly understand. And that any other overworked professional should suck it up because they’re paid more than teachers (which isn’t even true). You’re basically doing to other people what you’re complaining about having done to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

Don't you get holiday pay? My mom was a nurse and always volunteered to work holidays because she got holiday pay.

NP Well bully for your mom! My mom would have liked to have been there on Christmas morning with us. We had no local family so every other year was rough. It was just my dad and I. Holiday pay isn't that great.

“Christmas morning” in your own home isn’t tied to a calendar date. Sorry your mom sucked at problem solving.