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Anonymous wrote:All the people who hate babies and children are evidence that there is something deeply wrong with our society.
How so? Everyone is different. It takes all kinds.
Because it is a more commonly held opinion among young people now than those who like, much less want, kids. I wonder if it's a result of a combination of factors: more adults now didn't have siblings, so they are less exposed to children in their immediate circles (nephews, nieces, etc). Young working adults have moved to urban centers and only interact with other young working adults instead of a multigenerational neighborhood environment. Our society caters to the 20-30s set- bars, expensive restaurants, etc. Our government makes it too expensive to have kids and allows the penalization of mothers for doing so by not requiring parental leave among other things. Our culture also isolates mothers, partly by the shaming as seen on this thread (raise your kids by yourself, because male partners shouldn't have paternity leave, and continue to raise them by yourself until they're 3, and then keep them away from anywhere they might interact with me including restaurants, but also do this on your male partner's single income with no government handouts, and also somehow pay for college). People would rather have a dog and call it a child rather than have an actual child. It just seems deeply unnatural to me. Children should be cherished. People don't have to have kids if they don't want them, but the aggressive hatred of kids is sick.
I have never, in all my 48 years, met anyone with an aggressive hatred of kids. Where do you meet these people?
Respectfully, you aren't the young people I was discussing. I am a little older than my office mates, who are primarily white. college-educated men, and some women, in their late 20s and early 30s. I've often heard things like: Kids are so f*ing annoying, I hate kids, Kids are gross. Etc etc.
And even on page 2 of this thread, you have a person saying babies and toddlers annoy them. I was going to search out all the instances on this thread alone, but I don't have time or the inclination. On the same page you have 3 people saying kids don't belong at wineries, which, although not counting that as hatred, at least displays a dislike of the presence of kids in some public outdoor settings.
Well I have two kids (who I love more than anything). Yet I don’t like toddlers at wineries, noisy kids at restaurants annoy the sh!t out of me, and I don’t want you to force me to converse with your brilliant toddler because I’m just not as enamored with him as you are. Does that count as an aggressive hatred of kids to you? Because it doesn’t to me.
I mean you can argue with me all you want, but people are continually talking about how much they dislike kids, whether they have them or not. Not sure why you are trying to deny that this is a common sentiment, and one that was less commonly expressed a decade or so ago. I'm sorry that, for whatever reason, you feel personally victimized by my observation.
I’m just saying people not liking kids (which I agree is a common sentiment) and and “intense hatred of kids” are two completely different things.
Okay, then we are merely differing on the definition of terms. Replace the terms hate and hatred in my first two posts with "
strongly dislike" and I still stand by my original sentiment, which is that, overall, these
commonly-held very negative feelings about children show that there is something
very wrong with society.
NP. I think the other PPs point is that your interjection of adjectives into this discussion is unnecessary, and incorrect.
Moreover, I think you're wrong that this is a recent phenomenon. When I was in my 20s, I didn't like kids; neither did many of my friends. That's not exactly an uncommon sentiment among young adults. 20-25 years later, we all have kids, and all adore each others' kids.
Seems to me you just want to rant about how society is going to hell in a handbasket, and have seized on this as a vehicle for your complaints.
I guess I win for most controversial opinion considering how many people have pushed back. I’d just add that the child free movement is rising, and the birth rate continues to decline. So I’d expect that many of the people now who profess dislike (no adjective) of children now will continue to not have children.