DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why do kids from heterosexual families get to see their situation reflected in books in school and read about families like their own in books in school but kids with same sex parents are not allowed to do this?

Because the former is normal and the latter is not. And, look, I support gay marriage, detest the hateful discrimination to which gay people are subjected, and think we have a lot of work to do overcoming our historical prejudices. But that's the reason. And I think you know that.

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Out and proud with your bigotry.

+1 Just, saying it - gay people aren't normal. Here that coworkers, friends, relatives? Here that kid who's trying to figure out who they are and how they fit into this complicated world? You're not normal and so you have to be kept hidden, and you will be sued and fired if you aren't back in the ol closet.

Disney would not tolerate that and many others will not as well. Florida is on the losing side of this tiresome and dated nonsense. Find something productive to do Florida instead of hating on gay people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do kids from heterosexual families get to see their situation reflected in books in school and read about families like their own in books in school but kids with same sex parents are not allowed to do this?

Because the former is normal and the latter is not. And, look, I support gay marriage, detest the hateful discrimination to which gay people are subjected, and think we have a lot of work to do overcoming our historical prejudices. But that's the reason. And I think you know that.

[…]

Out and proud with your bigotry.

I'm just some rando on the Internet, so believe what you want to believe. But I'll just say, I'm not the enemy. I'm happy same sex marriage was legalized. I'm happy my gay family members and friends don't have to hide in the closet. I don't mind if books that my kids read reflect that there are gay people in the world. It's like I said, the argument would probably devolve into name calling and finger pointing pretty quickly.

[Anonymous]

Listen everyone wins here except regular people. Desantis gets to flex his conservative cred and the left has a rallying cry. This is a big nothing burger that is the political equivalent of releasing a chicken in a crowded hallway - gets everyone stirred up. The left gains allies and money, the right gains allies and money and then it will amount to nothing material at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Letter to the editor in today's Tampa Bay Times:

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/04/23/to-be-fair-shouldnt-the-villages-also-lose-its-special-district-status-letters/?itm_source=parsely-api

Please help me understand why our governor and Republican state legislators cannot find the time to address the needs of everyday taxpayers in this state. Instead of seeking ways to increase health care for the uninsured, reduce skyrocketing rents for soon-to-be homeless Floridians and address property insurance costs, they are busy attacking Disney and creating voting districts that favor their base. Yes, they are holding yet another special session in May (at taxpayers’ expense) to talk about property insurance, but where were these concerns in the regular legislative session. I suspect they were buried under the scripts of political theater designed to feature the governor. I guess I should be thankful that when I am homeless and uninsured at least I do not have to worry about textbooks in schools that might talk about the economic and racial divide in Florida or that teachers might accidentally launch into a sex education class in kindergarten. That is a solution looking for a problem.

Robin Frank, Tampa

I live in Florida and I am telling you, this is playing poorly here. We have actual needs that the legislature is just flat out ignoring in order to pursue these idiotic, harmful culture war bs battles.

Hopefully voters wake up and realize what the GOP brings to the table. They are only capable of hate and division.

Here's hoping. I don't love either person challenging DeSantis to be governor this time but - Jesus, I would take anything over this freak show. I know there are a lot of people who feel like I do, I just don't know if there's enough of us.

I’m moving to Florida in a few months, and look forward to voting against DeSantis.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do kids from heterosexual families get to see their situation reflected in books in school and read about families like their own in books in school but kids with same sex parents are not allowed to do this?

Because the former is normal and the latter is not. And, look, I support gay marriage, detest the hateful discrimination to which gay people are subjected, and think we have a lot of work to do overcoming our historical prejudices. But that's the reason. And I think you know that.

[…]

Out and proud with your bigotry.

+1 Just, saying it - gay people aren't normal. Here that coworkers, friends, relatives? Here that kid who's trying to figure out who they are and how they fit into this complicated world? You're not normal and so you have to be kept hidden, and you will be sued and fired if you aren't back in the ol closet.

Disney would not tolerate that and many others will not as well. Florida is on the losing side of this tiresome and dated nonsense. Find something productive to do Florida instead of hating on gay people.

I am the PP and I agree - sorry if that wasn't clear. I guess nothing should shock me anymore but the fact that we now have to relitigate whether gay people have the right to exist in public still shocks me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do kids from heterosexual families get to see their situation reflected in books in school and read about families like their own in books in school but kids with same sex parents are not allowed to do this?

Because the former is normal and the latter is not. And, look, I support gay marriage, detest the hateful discrimination to which gay people are subjected, and think we have a lot of work to do overcoming our historical prejudices. But that's the reason. And I think you know that.

[…]

Out and proud with your bigotry.

I'm just some rando on the Internet, so believe what you want to believe. But I'll just say, I'm not the enemy. I'm happy same sex marriage was legalized. I'm happy my gay family members and friends don't have to hide in the closet. I don't mind if books that my kids read reflect that there are gay people in the world. It's like I said, the argument would probably devolve into name calling and finger pointing pretty quickly.

You literally said being gay is not normal. If you don’t see that statement as bigotry, no one can help you. Is it new? Yes, historically it’s new for gay marriage and for people to be out. Is it abnormal? No, it’s not and saying it’s not normal is bigotry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listen everyone wins here except regular people. Desantis gets to flex his conservative cred and the left has a rallying cry. This is a big nothing burger that is the political equivalent of releasing a chicken in a crowded hallway - gets everyone stirred up. The left gains allies and money, the right gains allies and money and then it will amount to nothing material at all.

1) you’re a bigot
2) there is no both sides here. Making this a “both sides” thing lets the GOP’s opposition to human rights off the hook.
3) you’re a bigot. It’s not a terminal condition; I think with self reflection that you can change, but presently your categorization of people puts you squarely in bigot central.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do kids from heterosexual families get to see their situation reflected in books in school and read about families like their own in books in school but kids with same sex parents are not allowed to do this?

Because the former is normal and the latter is not. And, look, I support gay marriage, detest the hateful discrimination to which gay people are subjected, and think we have a lot of work to do overcoming our historical prejudices. But that's the reason. And I think you know that.

[…]

Out and proud with your bigotry.

I'm just some rando on the Internet, so believe what you want to believe. But I'll just say, I'm not the enemy. I'm happy same sex marriage was legalized. I'm happy my gay family members and friends don't have to hide in the closet. I don't mind if books that my kids read reflect that there are gay people in the world. It's like I said, the argument would probably devolve into name calling and finger pointing pretty quickly.

You literally said being gay is not normal. If you don’t see that statement as bigotry, no one can help you. Is it new? Yes, historically it’s new for gay marriage and for people to be out. Is it abnormal? No, it’s not and saying it’s not normal is bigotry.

I pretty clearly said that normal has different meanings. You are choosing to think that I'm saying gay people are not "normal" in the sense that they are deviant, aberrant, or some other opposite of "normal" that carries pejorative connotations. That's on you. Being gay is not "normal" in the sense that something like 90% of people aren't gay. Others have made a pretty good counter-argument to what I said by pointing out that a lot of "not normal" things are depicted in books. You are jumping to accusations of bigotry rather than pointing out ways in which my argument is weak. In that respect, I'm afraid you are very normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Letter to the editor in today's Tampa Bay Times:

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/04/23/to-be-fair-shouldnt-the-villages-also-lose-its-special-district-status-letters/?itm_source=parsely-api

Please help me understand why our governor and Republican state legislators cannot find the time to address the needs of everyday taxpayers in this state. Instead of seeking ways to increase health care for the uninsured, reduce skyrocketing rents for soon-to-be homeless Floridians and address property insurance costs, they are busy attacking Disney and creating voting districts that favor their base. Yes, they are holding yet another special session in May (at taxpayers’ expense) to talk about property insurance, but where were these concerns in the regular legislative session. I suspect they were buried under the scripts of political theater designed to feature the governor. I guess I should be thankful that when I am homeless and uninsured at least I do not have to worry about textbooks in schools that might talk about the economic and racial divide in Florida or that teachers might accidentally launch into a sex education class in kindergarten. That is a solution looking for a problem.

Robin Frank, Tampa

I live in Florida and I am telling you, this is playing poorly here. We have actual needs that the legislature is just flat out ignoring in order to pursue these idiotic, harmful culture war bs battles.

Hopefully voters wake up and realize what the GOP brings to the table. They are only capable of hate and division.

Here's hoping. I don't love either person challenging DeSantis to be governor this time but - Jesus, I would take anything over this freak show. I know there are a lot of people who feel like I do, I just don't know if there's enough of us.

I’m moving to Florida in a few months, and look forward to voting against DeSantis.

Why are you moving there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listen everyone wins here except regular people. Desantis gets to flex his conservative cred and the left has a rallying cry. This is a big nothing burger that is the political equivalent of releasing a chicken in a crowded hallway - gets everyone stirred up. The left gains allies and money, the right gains allies and money and then it will amount to nothing material at all.

1) you’re a bigot
2) there is no both sides here. Making this a “both sides” thing lets the GOP’s opposition to human rights off the hook.
3) you’re a bigot. It’s not a terminal condition; I think with self reflection that you can change, but presently your categorization of people puts you squarely in bigot central.

You aren't much of a critical thinker. If suggesting that instead of making a huge knee jerk reaction to Desantis meaningless actions re: Disney, the left should be working on things that actually affect the lives of ordinary Americans makes me a bigot then so be it. Both sides are competing for money and eyeballs and are engaged in a culture war that does nothing but create a stalemate and impede progress. They're so busy trying to one up each other that they can't even agree on the things that they agree upon. I'm tired of the circus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Letter to the editor in today's Tampa Bay Times:

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/04/23/to-be-fair-shouldnt-the-villages-also-lose-its-special-district-status-letters/?itm_source=parsely-api

Please help me understand why our governor and Republican state legislators cannot find the time to address the needs of everyday taxpayers in this state. Instead of seeking ways to increase health care for the uninsured, reduce skyrocketing rents for soon-to-be homeless Floridians and address property insurance costs, they are busy attacking Disney and creating voting districts that favor their base. Yes, they are holding yet another special session in May (at taxpayers’ expense) to talk about property insurance, but where were these concerns in the regular legislative session. I suspect they were buried under the scripts of political theater designed to feature the governor. I guess I should be thankful that when I am homeless and uninsured at least I do not have to worry about textbooks in schools that might talk about the economic and racial divide in Florida or that teachers might accidentally launch into a sex education class in kindergarten. That is a solution looking for a problem.

Robin Frank, Tampa

I live in Florida and I am telling you, this is playing poorly here. We have actual needs that the legislature is just flat out ignoring in order to pursue these idiotic, harmful culture war bs battles.

Hopefully voters wake up and realize what the GOP brings to the table. They are only capable of hate and division.

Here's hoping. I don't love either person challenging DeSantis to be governor this time but - Jesus, I would take anything over this freak show. I know there are a lot of people who feel like I do, I just don't know if there's enough of us.

I’m moving to Florida in a few months, and look forward to voting against DeSantis.

Why are you moving there?

To vote against desantis. The one I lost in the florida covid carnage deserves it.

[Anonymous]

Disney must have been getting some good stuff (worth way more than the cost of paying for their own fire department) out of the deal or they wouldn’t be threatening to sue now.

My guess is that not needing to go through government approvals and permitting for all construction on the property alone was outweighing any tax burden they may have otherwise had. Especially since they would have been throwing more money into those things for better service and to better protect their own assets anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disney must have been getting some good stuff (worth way more than the cost of paying for their own fire department) out of the deal or they wouldn’t be threatening to sue now.

My guess is that not needing to go through government approvals and permitting for all construction on the property alone was outweighing any tax burden they may have otherwise had. Especially since they would have been throwing more money into those things for better service and to better protect their own assets anyway.

Convenience and reliability

[Anonymous]

I haven’t read the whole thread, but just came to say that my money is on Disney. They are like the cockroaches that will survive the apocalypse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Letter to the editor in today's Tampa Bay Times:

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/04/23/to-be-fair-shouldnt-the-villages-also-lose-its-special-district-status-letters/?itm_source=parsely-api

Please help me understand why our governor and Republican state legislators cannot find the time to address the needs of everyday taxpayers in this state. Instead of seeking ways to increase health care for the uninsured, reduce skyrocketing rents for soon-to-be homeless Floridians and address property insurance costs, they are busy attacking Disney and creating voting districts that favor their base. Yes, they are holding yet another special session in May (at taxpayers’ expense) to talk about property insurance, but where were these concerns in the regular legislative session. I suspect they were buried under the scripts of political theater designed to feature the governor. I guess I should be thankful that when I am homeless and uninsured at least I do not have to worry about textbooks in schools that might talk about the economic and racial divide in Florida or that teachers might accidentally launch into a sex education class in kindergarten. That is a solution looking for a problem.

Robin Frank, Tampa

I live in Florida and I am telling you, this is playing poorly here. We have actual needs that the legislature is just flat out ignoring in order to pursue these idiotic, harmful culture war bs battles.

Hopefully voters wake up and realize what the GOP brings to the table. They are only capable of hate and division.

Here's hoping. I don't love either person challenging DeSantis to be governor this time but - Jesus, I would take anything over this freak show. I know there are a lot of people who feel like I do, I just don't know if there's enough of us.

I’m moving to Florida in a few months, and look forward to voting against DeSantis.

Just don’t be disappointed to find out that you’re in the minority down there.