Midsize University with Good Business School and Traditional Campus Feel (not in South)

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - part of why I want to expand my student's search beyond VA is b/c UVA and W&M are so tough to get into. No other VA schools really appeal to my kid so want to make sure there's a good back-up plan that includes some good out of state options. Ivies, Notre Dame, Carnegie Mellon, WashU prob out of reach unless said kid just nails the SAT and/or cures cancer later this school year, but lots of good options at the tiers below that.

Again, thanks for good suggestions. And to the PP, I don't think this thread is useless at all. Appreciate the ideas. Some of these schools were not on the radar at all.

Check Naviance before you conclude a school is out of reach. Naviance for our MD public shows many kids with these stats being admitted to Carnegie Mellon,

According to Bethesda magazine, out of 248 students from B-CC, Blair, Whitman, WJ, and RM who applied to Carnegie Mellon, only 30 got in. So it can't be that many!

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly as a Virginia resident with those stats and interests I would try to get into the McIntire school at UVa.

UVa is as prototypically Southern as you can get.

U. of Miami while actually being at the Southern tip of the US, is culturally very non-Southern. Miami as a city isn't Southern either.

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Anonymous wrote:Xavier
Fordham
Syracuse
Delaware
Pitt

These are good additions, and I like Villanova for your kid.

Villanova SOB is tough admit, and even harder to transfer when there. Big yawn on this school. Take themselves way too seriously. DS got the vibe that this is the actual school where fun goes to die. The new upperclass dorm is gorgeous. DS took it off his list.

Providence is a big nooooooo. Immediate surrounding area is a dump. Providence is a cool little city though. Read Reddit Providence College for real reviews, then hop over to Niche. Like BC, business school is heavy white finance bros. Not a diverse school. There's always a twinge of New England arrogance. Lehigh same with big fat Greek life. Just being honest on our end.

I would visit Providence College. I am from New England and I always thought of it as a working class version of BC or Holy Cross. No New England snobbery there.

Uh, what?! If you'd have said "a less selective version of BC or Holy Cross" I'd be with you, but as someone who went there I would say it's every bit the preppy, rich, Catholic vibe of BC or Holy Cross. Not working class in vibe at all.

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St. John's University
Stony Brook
Delaware

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Xavier
Fordham
Syracuse
Delaware
Pitt

These are good additions, and I like Villanova for your kid.

Villanova SOB is tough admit, and even harder to transfer when there. Big yawn on this school. Take themselves way too seriously. DS got the vibe that this is the actual school where fun goes to die. The new upperclass dorm is gorgeous. DS took it off his list.

Providence is a big nooooooo. Immediate surrounding area is a dump. Providence is a cool little city though. Read Reddit Providence College for real reviews, then hop over to Niche. Like BC, business school is heavy white finance bros. Not a diverse school. There's always a twinge of New England arrogance. Lehigh same with big fat Greek life. Just being honest on our end.

Just out of curiosity, what are some schools that you like?

Pp again. Just sent a text to DS who stressed applying direct admit to biz schools. Hard to transfer into competitive biz schools in sophomore year. First three were his top choices in order of the love he had for their business schools with specific concentrations. He only wanted urban mid-size:

Northeastern - He had/still has a paid internship turned co-op since sophomore year HS. Was stoked for co-op, but felt he could make better use of that extra year on his own. Wasn't feeling the 5 year slog unless for an MBA. Wants to study abroad instead. Plus, Boston was his home city for 5 years.
GWU - No credit to Dcum, we felt your hate for GW lol. He stood out from the usual wanna be on-the-hill suspects. He researched biz school hard, fell in love with location, and the students he got to know. Also loves politics as a pastime, not a career.
Fordham University - Bachelor of Science Gabelli School of Business. Strong alumni, network, gender imbalance to his advantage, beautiful contained campus, easy to city. Arthur Ave is their college town. NYU, Pace, Suny Maritime, CUNY students hang out with Fordham students. Mixed but leans liberal
Hofstra - Crazy I know, but there's a few reasons why. One being the Zarb School of Business, which is excellent.
Stevens Institute of Technology - phenomenal Bachelor of Science Business & Technology degree. Hoboken is amazing, campus is gorgeous. Serious gender imbalance with incel reputation. This really bothered him. He's extroverted, likes/ respects girls a lot, and didn't want to be associated with that reputation, regardless if it's unfounded. Beautiful new University Center and housing is state of the art. Beats most colleges out there for sure.
Babson - Wellesley and too small. All biz, all the time. Ranked #1 Entrepreneurship
BC - Carroll School of Management - not his people
BU - Not a contained campus. Grade deflation is very real! Questrom School of Business is excellent.
UMass Amherst - Outlier in terms of size and location, but he loved the business school & campus dining is outstanding. Quietly relieved he chose private. K-12 public funds private college. My only requirement.
Pace - Offered him, and many students, the world. He couldn't get past it's ranking, but also wanted a campus.
Providence - Providence is a great little city. Contained campus surrounded by nothing. Alcohol is a pastime. He liked that it's equidistant NY/Boston. Conservative bro vibe.
Villanova - Felt nothing, nada, zippo, indifferent. Has a couple of 2020 friends there, and they love it. Well respected business school.

OP, your son has the stats for these schools. He still has the option not to send test score. Cross that bridge when he has scores. Pick and choose which schools to send them to based on college's average test score.

You need a hobby.

Nice - insult someone being helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:UPenn
Carnegie Mellon
Notre Dame
Wash U
Georgetown
BC

1300's? Prob not.

and ND's 25th percentile is 1400 (and I don't think OP 's kid is a recruited athlete).

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The College of New Jersey
UMass-Amherst
American U
Lipscomb
RPI
Sacred Heart
Marquette
Ithaca
Seton Hall
Duquesne

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Babson. And a bit bigger then you're looking for but check out Syracuse

+10 Boston schools because unless you’re at a top school with awesome recruiting, the internships are especially critical and it’s easier to get great internships in schools in cities.

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Anonymous wrote:Xavier
Fordham
Syracuse
Delaware
Pitt

These are good additions, and I like Villanova for your kid.

Villanova SOB is tough admit, and even harder to transfer when there. Big yawn on this school. Take themselves way too seriously. DS got the vibe that this is the actual school where fun goes to die. The new upperclass dorm is gorgeous. DS took it off his list.

Providence is a big nooooooo. Immediate surrounding area is a dump. Providence is a cool little city though. Read Reddit Providence College for real reviews, then hop over to Niche. Like BC, business school is heavy white finance bros. Not a diverse school. There's always a twinge of New England arrogance. Lehigh same with big fat Greek life. Just being honest on our end.

Agree!

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Anonymous wrote:Miami Ohio

Ditto. 2 of my nieces from OH are middle class, so they could only afford in-state Ohio schools. One majored in Finance + landed at JP Morgan + one managed to get her BA/Masters in Accounting in 4 years+ passed CPA on first try. Got job at KPMG.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Xavier
Fordham
Syracuse
Delaware
Pitt

These are good additions, and I like Villanova for your kid.

Villanova SOB is tough admit, and even harder to transfer when there. Big yawn on this school. Take themselves way too seriously. DS got the vibe that this is the actual school where fun goes to die. The new upperclass dorm is gorgeous. DS took it off his list.

Providence is a big nooooooo. Immediate surrounding area is a dump. Providence is a cool little city though. Read Reddit Providence College for real reviews, then hop over to Niche. Like BC, business school is heavy white finance bros. Not a diverse school. There's always a twinge of New England arrogance. Lehigh same with big fat Greek life. Just being honest on our end.

I would visit Providence College. I am from New England and I always thought of it as a working class version of BC or Holy Cross. No New England snobbery there.

Uh, what?! If you'd have said "a less selective version of BC or Holy Cross" I'd be with you, but as someone who went there I would say it's every bit the preppy, rich, Catholic vibe of BC or Holy Cross. Not working class in vibe at all.

BC School of Management undergrad alum here to weigh in (with PC friends). Totally agree with the PC grad - I would never describe PC as the working class at all. The city of Providence is quite different than Chestnut Hill/Brookline (and perhaps that's where you get a more blue collar idea?), and BC may be more competitive, but these schools have generally similar populations. I'd agree these are not diverse schools, but they are not snobby at all. And at BC, the Jesuit tradition is strong in creating a very warm, accepting, and cohesive community and actually provide a moral compass for undergrads that I did not find in the highly competitive school I attended for grad school. The description of BC management students couldn't be more off.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Xavier
Fordham
Syracuse
Delaware
Pitt

These are good additions, and I like Villanova for your kid.

Villanova SOB is tough admit, and even harder to transfer when there. Big yawn on this school. Take themselves way too seriously. DS got the vibe that this is the actual school where fun goes to die. The new upperclass dorm is gorgeous. DS took it off his list.

Providence is a big nooooooo. Immediate surrounding area is a dump. Providence is a cool little city though. Read Reddit Providence College for real reviews, then hop over to Niche. Like BC, business school is heavy white finance bros. Not a diverse school. There's always a twinge of New England arrogance. Lehigh same with big fat Greek life. Just being honest on our end.

I would visit Providence College. I am from New England and I always thought of it as a working class version of BC or Holy Cross. No New England snobbery there.

Uh, what?! If you'd have said "a less selective version of BC or Holy Cross" I'd be with you, but as someone who went there I would say it's every bit the preppy, rich, Catholic vibe of BC or Holy Cross. Not working class in vibe at all.

BC School of Management undergrad alum here to weigh in (with PC friends). Totally agree with the PC grad - I would never describe PC as the working class at all. The city of Providence is quite different than Chestnut Hill/Brookline (and perhaps that's where you get a more blue collar idea?), and BC may be more competitive, but these schools have generally similar populations. I'd agree these are not diverse schools, but they are not snobby at all. And at BC, the Jesuit tradition is strong in creating a very warm, accepting, and cohesive community and actually provide a moral compass for undergrads that I did not find in the highly competitive school I attended for grad school. The description of BC management students couldn't be more off.

Pp here. That is fascinating! Seriously, I always thought it was the school where working class catholic went and the more well off went to BC and Holy Cross. I am not kidding!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Xavier
Fordham
Syracuse
Delaware
Pitt

These are good additions, and I like Villanova for your kid.

Villanova SOB is tough admit, and even harder to transfer when there. Big yawn on this school. Take themselves way too seriously. DS got the vibe that this is the actual school where fun goes to die. The new upperclass dorm is gorgeous. DS took it off his list.

Providence is a big nooooooo. Immediate surrounding area is a dump. Providence is a cool little city though. Read Reddit Providence College for real reviews, then hop over to Niche. Like BC, business school is heavy white finance bros. Not a diverse school. There's always a twinge of New England arrogance. Lehigh same with big fat Greek life. Just being honest on our end.

Just out of curiosity, what are some schools that you like?

Pp again. Just sent a text to DS who stressed applying direct admit to biz schools. Hard to transfer into competitive biz schools in sophomore year. First three were his top choices in order of the love he had for their business schools with specific concentrations. He only wanted urban mid-size:

Northeastern - He had/still has a paid internship turned co-op since sophomore year HS. Was stoked for co-op, but felt he could make better use of that extra year on his own. Wasn't feeling the 5 year slog unless for an MBA. Wants to study abroad instead. Plus, Boston was his home city for 5 years.
GWU - No credit to Dcum, we felt your hate for GW lol. He stood out from the usual wanna be on-the-hill suspects. He researched biz school hard, fell in love with location, and the students he got to know. Also loves politics as a pastime, not a career.
Fordham University - Bachelor of Science Gabelli School of Business. Strong alumni, network, gender imbalance to his advantage, beautiful contained campus, easy to city. Arthur Ave is their college town. NYU, Pace, Suny Maritime, CUNY students hang out with Fordham students. Mixed but leans liberal
Hofstra - Crazy I know, but there's a few reasons why. One being the Zarb School of Business, which is excellent.
Stevens Institute of Technology - phenomenal Bachelor of Science Business & Technology degree. Hoboken is amazing, campus is gorgeous. Serious gender imbalance with incel reputation. This really bothered him. He's extroverted, likes/ respects girls a lot, and didn't want to be associated with that reputation, regardless if it's unfounded. Beautiful new University Center and housing is state of the art. Beats most colleges out there for sure.
Babson - Wellesley and too small. All biz, all the time. Ranked #1 Entrepreneurship
BC - Carroll School of Management - not his people
BU - Not a contained campus. Grade deflation is very real! Questrom School of Business is excellent.
UMass Amherst - Outlier in terms of size and location, but he loved the business school & campus dining is outstanding. Quietly relieved he chose private. K-12 public funds private college. My only requirement.
Pace - Offered him, and many students, the world. He couldn't get past it's ranking, but also wanted a campus.
Providence - Providence is a great little city. Contained campus surrounded by nothing. Alcohol is a pastime. He liked that it's equidistant NY/Boston. Conservative bro vibe.
Villanova - Felt nothing, nada, zippo, indifferent. Has a couple of 2020 friends there, and they love it. Well respected business school.

OP, your son has the stats for these schools. He still has the option not to send test score. Cross that bridge when he has scores. Pick and choose which schools to send them to based on college's average test score.

BC SOM grad again here. "Not his people" is an interesting comment. At BC, students are friends across all the different schools? Kids primarily meet their friends based on which dorms they live in, not on their division or even their major. It starts freshman year but continues into sophomore etc. And even if you meet friends in class, business students have so many liberal arts core requirements that more than half of the classes for the first two years are in liberal arts. It was never a "thing" to be labeled as SOM vs A&S. Anyway - glad he found his place but I don't think you've accurately described many of the schools you dissed.

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University of Puget Sound converted its business school into a business major but it is a popular major. It's got a little under 3000 students so it may be too small for OP. Campus is spectacular. Town (Tacoma) is nice. Merit aid is available.

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Indiana. This seems to fit all of your requirements.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelley_School_of_Business