Spirit Coach

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sad that the teammates especially the captains did not stand against this abuse of teammates by coach

That’s pretty hard to do when there is an imbalance of power.

An imbalance of power?

Between coach and players. Read the article in the Washington Post.

The players, who typically make a minimum salary of $22,000, have no collective bargaining agreement, and most could have been fired by Burke at any time. (The league says compensation is higher because of free year-round housing.) Under the NWSL’s current system, player rights are controlled by the Spirit even after players’ contracts expire.

“The head coach is the power broker in a system of rules built on disempowering players,” said Meghann Burke, the executive director of the NWSL players’ union. “It shouldn’t be surprising, then, that players would be reluctant to speak out when a coach abuses his authority.”

The NWSL had no formal harassment policy until this year. A spokesperson said players were given “live trainings” on policies in 2017 and 2019, but all three players said they didn’t know that and had no idea whom to turn to in instances of abuse.

One top NWSL administrator has been fired since the anti-harassment policy took effect. But the former Spirit players said they would have been unlikely to speak up because of fears of retaliation and concerns about their jobs.

“People quite literally can’t say anything,” McCullough said. “They fear for their contracts. That is their way of living.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/08/11/richie-burke-nwsl-spirit-verbal-abuse/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think he used racial slurs, too. You okay with that?

That you thing? Or he used racial slurs? Not ok to use racial slurs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he used racial slurs, too. You okay with that?

That you thing? Or he used racial slurs? Not ok to use racial slurs.

*think

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simply put -- being an asshole is a firing offense. People on hear talking about how college or NFL coaches communicate with players have zero clue about real life.

The world of athletics works differently than "real life" . Just like The military works different. If you have never been a high level athlete you just wouldn't understand. Im sure we won't be able to agree on this and thats ok. Just understand competitive athletes are wired different than "real life" An over abundance of testosterone from both male and female athletes as well as a field full of type A personalities. It actually turns out to be "real life". Its not for everyone. The problem is everyone wants to be a part of it but actually wants it conformed to their standards. Its just the way this culture is becoming softer.

This is flat-out bullsht. I was athlete at very highest level - coaches don't have tantrums at that level - top athletes already hold themselves to higher standards and are more critical of themselves than any outsider could ever be. Top coaches play the longer game with a nudge or readjustment. They know the difference between success and failure is tiny and won't risk messing it up with gross unfocused interventions. Looks less flashy than tipping over the Gatorade jug or throwing their cap on floor - but "real life" it turns out isn't like the movies... it is almost like DMV kiddie soccer coaches have never experienced the top level (college D1 programs and 2nd or 3rd tier pro-leagues are not it!) and are just following a script that they should let their asshole flag fly free to "toughen them up".

It's particularly sad when you see the life-defeated dads on sidelines of kiddie soccer buying into this "what it takes to be a winner" nonsense and projecting their "almost made it" baggage - and then they drive home in the 6 year old minivan to their crappy mediocre lives...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simply put -- being an asshole is a firing offense. People on hear talking about how college or NFL coaches communicate with players have zero clue about real life.

The world of athletics works differently than "real life" . Just like The military works different. If you have never been a high level athlete you just wouldn't understand. Im sure we won't be able to agree on this and thats ok. Just understand competitive athletes are wired different than "real life" An over abundance of testosterone from both male and female athletes as well as a field full of type A personalities. It actually turns out to be "real life". Its not for everyone. The problem is everyone wants to be a part of it but actually wants it conformed to their standards. Its just the way this culture is becoming softer.

This is flat-out bullsht. I was athlete at very highest level - coaches don't have tantrums at that level - top athletes already hold themselves to higher standards and are more critical of themselves than any outsider could ever be. Top coaches play the longer game with a nudge or readjustment. They know the difference between success and failure is tiny and won't risk messing it up with gross unfocused interventions. Looks less flashy than tipping over the Gatorade jug or throwing their cap on floor - but "real life" it turns out isn't like the movies... it is almost like DMV kiddie soccer coaches have never experienced the top level (college D1 programs and 2nd or 3rd tier pro-leagues are not it!) and are just following a script that they should let their asshole flag fly free to "toughen them up".

It's particularly sad when you see the life-defeated dads on sidelines of kiddie soccer buying into this "what it takes to be a winner" nonsense and projecting their "almost made it" baggage - and then they drive home in the 6 year old minivan to their crappy mediocre lives...

You sound bitter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simply put -- being an asshole is a firing offense. People on hear talking about how college or NFL coaches communicate with players have zero clue about real life.

The world of athletics works differently than "real life" . Just like The military works different. If you have never been a high level athlete you just wouldn't understand. Im sure we won't be able to agree on this and thats ok. Just understand competitive athletes are wired different than "real life" An over abundance of testosterone from both male and female athletes as well as a field full of type A personalities. It actually turns out to be "real life". Its not for everyone. The problem is everyone wants to be a part of it but actually wants it conformed to their standards. Its just the way this culture is becoming softer.

This is flat-out bullsht. I was athlete at very highest level - coaches don't have tantrums at that level - top athletes already hold themselves to higher standards and are more critical of themselves than any outsider could ever be. Top coaches play the longer game with a nudge or readjustment. They know the difference between success and failure is tiny and won't risk messing it up with gross unfocused interventions. Looks less flashy than tipping over the Gatorade jug or throwing their cap on floor - but "real life" it turns out isn't like the movies... it is almost like DMV kiddie soccer coaches have never experienced the top level (college D1 programs and 2nd or 3rd tier pro-leagues are not it!) and are just following a script that they should let their asshole flag fly free to "toughen them up".

It's particularly sad when you see the life-defeated dads on sidelines of kiddie soccer buying into this "what it takes to be a winner" nonsense and projecting their "almost made it" baggage - and then they drive home in the 6 year old minivan to their crappy mediocre lives...

You sound bitter.

Bitter. You misread the tone. It is hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simply put -- being an asshole is a firing offense. People on hear talking about how college or NFL coaches communicate with players have zero clue about real life.

The world of athletics works differently than "real life" . Just like The military works different. If you have never been a high level athlete you just wouldn't understand. Im sure we won't be able to agree on this and thats ok. Just understand competitive athletes are wired different than "real life" An over abundance of testosterone from both male and female athletes as well as a field full of type A personalities. It actually turns out to be "real life". Its not for everyone. The problem is everyone wants to be a part of it but actually wants it conformed to their standards. Its just the way this culture is becoming softer.

This is flat-out bullsht. I was athlete at very highest level - coaches don't have tantrums at that level - top athletes already hold themselves to higher standards and are more critical of themselves than any outsider could ever be. Top coaches play the longer game with a nudge or readjustment. They know the difference between success and failure is tiny and won't risk messing it up with gross unfocused interventions. Looks less flashy than tipping over the Gatorade jug or throwing their cap on floor - but "real life" it turns out isn't like the movies... it is almost like DMV kiddie soccer coaches have never experienced the top level (college D1 programs and 2nd or 3rd tier pro-leagues are not it!) and are just following a script that they should let their asshole flag fly free to "toughen them up".

It's particularly sad when you see the life-defeated dads on sidelines of kiddie soccer buying into this "what it takes to be a winner" nonsense and projecting their "almost made it" baggage - and then they drive home in the 6 year old minivan to their crappy mediocre lives...

i started reading expected to get some insight, and then when i finished i understand you have none. i recommend you expand on "Top coaches play the longer game with a nudge or readjustment". while that itself is overly lacking detail, it's at least something that could be a good conversation.

but then you went and created a vision for all of the readers. and then you did a bait and switch of a professional coach and a weekend dad.

[Anonymous]

Minivans are cool with a wife and kids pulling into a soccer game compared to bald old single guy cruising his Porsche with spoiler into the Coastal Flats mall parking lot

[Anonymous]

I like when posters say “Coach here” like that means something. It doesn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simply put -- being an asshole is a firing offense. People on hear talking about how college or NFL coaches communicate with players have zero clue about real life.

The world of athletics works differently than "real life" . Just like The military works different. If you have never been a high level athlete you just wouldn't understand. Im sure we won't be able to agree on this and thats ok. Just understand competitive athletes are wired different than "real life" An over abundance of testosterone from both male and female athletes as well as a field full of type A personalities. It actually turns out to be "real life". Its not for everyone. The problem is everyone wants to be a part of it but actually wants it conformed to their standards. Its just the way this culture is becoming softer.

This is flat-out bullsht. I was athlete at very highest level - coaches don't have tantrums at that level - top athletes already hold themselves to higher standards and are more critical of themselves than any outsider could ever be. Top coaches play the longer game with a nudge or readjustment. They know the difference between success and failure is tiny and won't risk messing it up with gross unfocused interventions. Looks less flashy than tipping over the Gatorade jug or throwing their cap on floor - but "real life" it turns out isn't like the movies... it is almost like DMV kiddie soccer coaches have never experienced the top level (college D1 programs and 2nd or 3rd tier pro-leagues are not it!) and are just following a script that they should let their asshole flag fly free to "toughen them up".

It's particularly sad when you see the life-defeated dads on sidelines of kiddie soccer buying into this "what it takes to be a winner" nonsense and projecting their "almost made it" baggage - and then they drive home in the 6 year old minivan to their crappy mediocre lives...

i started reading expected to get some insight, and then when i finished i understand you have none. i recommend you expand on "Top coaches play the longer game with a nudge or readjustment". while that itself is overly lacking detail, it's at least something that could be a good conversation.

but then you went and created a vision for all of the readers. and then you did a bait and switch of a professional coach and a weekend dad.

DP. Actually, I think it is relevant because the soccer dad's who embrace or at least accept the bully coaches at lower levels help to create athletes who do not feel empowered to confront abusers. I read some of the comments to one of the articles in the WaPo, and most of them were critical of the athletes who spoke up, calling them soft. Seriously? Sorry all of you mostly males who think that it is ok for coaches to scream in the face of youth or adult athletes or to constantly threaten them with no playing time or being cut from the team or to use racial slurs. It's not ok, and it doesn't need to be that way.

No sport is worth sacrificing your health and well-being as a hostage to a bully coach.

[Anonymous]

I think the point is there is a culture of crappy coaching running from the most amateur to the "professional" (although using that term loosely - because let's be honest about the level we are talking about here) in soccer that is completely alien to best practices even of a decade ago. It is performative and emotion-driven rather than analytical and carefully calculating. What is amusing is the braying crowd equates these kind of antics as being anything to do with coaching - or in the case of the PP as "good coaching ".

Sorry you don't think I have good insight - I just have my perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Minivans are cool with a wife and kids pulling into a soccer game compared to bald old single guy cruising his Porsche with spoiler into the Coastal Flats mall parking lot

I rather be the old guy with the Porsche.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Minivans are cool with a wife and kids pulling into a soccer game compared to bald old single guy cruising his Porsche with spoiler into the Coastal Flats mall parking lot

I rather be the old guy with the Porsche.

+1
He is also not going to be the guy on sidelines spouting off on "what it takes to be a winner".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simply put -- being an asshole is a firing offense. People on hear talking about how college or NFL coaches communicate with players have zero clue about real life.

The world of athletics works differently than "real life" . Just like The military works different. If you have never been a high level athlete you just wouldn't understand. Im sure we won't be able to agree on this and thats ok. Just understand competitive athletes are wired different than "real life" An over abundance of testosterone from both male and female athletes as well as a field full of type A personalities. It actually turns out to be "real life". Its not for everyone. The problem is everyone wants to be a part of it but actually wants it conformed to their standards. Its just the way this culture is becoming softer.

This is flat-out bullsht. I was athlete at very highest level - coaches don't have tantrums at that level - top athletes already hold themselves to higher standards and are more critical of themselves than any outsider could ever be. Top coaches play the longer game with a nudge or readjustment. They know the difference between success and failure is tiny and won't risk messing it up with gross unfocused interventions. Looks less flashy than tipping over the Gatorade jug or throwing their cap on floor - but "real life" it turns out isn't like the movies... it is almost like DMV kiddie soccer coaches have never experienced the top level (college D1 programs and 2nd or 3rd tier pro-leagues are not it!) and are just following a script that they should let their asshole flag fly free to "toughen them up".

It's particularly sad when you see the life-defeated dads on sidelines of kiddie soccer buying into this "what it takes to be a winner" nonsense and projecting their "almost made it" baggage - and then they drive home in the 6 year old minivan to their crappy mediocre lives...

I call BS on you. I’ve been at the highest level of sports too. Plenty of coaches throw tantrums. GTFO.

[Anonymous]

What are you really arguing about? You support toxic racist people?