This is the type of claim commonly known as "horseshit". I am an atheist. I believe in good, bad, right, and wrong, as does every single other atheist I know. If this is where we get to tell others what they do and don't believe, let me know, because that will be fun. Completely worthless and false, but fun. |
Actually the Q I know are Catholic, College-educated mostly from North East. |
It’s not BS. Maybe “good” and “bad” are the wrong words to use, but I don’t see how you can believe in “right” or “wrong” as an atheist. If a tree grows it’s roots into the foundation of your house necessitating an expensive repair, you might say it’s “bad” (or bad for you anyway), but you wouldn’t say that the tree was morally wrong, right? Trees don’t make decisions. But how are you different from a tree? You have a brain, you can walk around, you experience love and empathy and emotions that a tree does not. However, like the tree, all of your actions are based on your biology. Anyone with *your* brain structure and your exact set of circumstances would always do and say exactly the same thing. Your mind, what you perceive as your “self,” is simply a set of synapses firing. You have no choice to do something or not do something any more than a tree has a choice to grow it’s roots into your foundation. If people have no choice to act or not act, and they are always going to respond in exactly the way that their biological brain and body dictates, then it makes no sense to say that anything is “right” or “wrong” or to believe in universal moral and ethical principles. I agree that people can do things that are “good” or “bad” for others, depending on your perspective, but it makes no sense to give things people do a moral or ethical twist. A mosquito might bite you and give you malaria, and that’s bad for you, but it doesn’t make the mosquito evil. That’s what mosquitoes do. If you are an atheist, believe in nothing beyond the physical world, and at the same time you believe that you can make “right” and “wrong” choices because *you* are made of something more than your brain and body, then you are going to have to explain to me exactly what that thing is. |
I and the other atheists posting here do not "have to explain" anything to you. It's clear you have set ideas of what atheism is that do not coincide with reality. Atheism is lack of god belief. That's it. |
But the people who post here are not all atheists. There’s a strong contingent of anti-theists who hide behind atheism. If you can’t be up front about your beliefs, there is a reason you are hiding them. |
Anti-theists are atheists who are against religion. They are not hiding behind atheism. |
That’s fine. I believe that I have Free Will because it was given to human beings by God, and through Him, we are given the ability to act in ways that are moral or evil. You believe that you have Free Will because it just really seems like you do, and it feels really good to believe. So, which one of us believes in science, and which of us believes in a comfortable fairy story again? It’s okay...you don’t owe me an explanation, but please stop pushing your fairy stories on others. |
+1 |
| I am Christian and I like antivaxxers, Qanon adherents, and most evangelicals and conservative Christians aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. Which is why they believe the things they do. |
Then you are stupid or dishonest. Or both. |
Do you believe that weather is real? Even though science can’t accurately predict it because of complexity? If so, why would you possibly imagine that something as complex as human behavior cannot be influenced by the environment and a million different choices? Every single event in the brain grows and multiplied into you. And you have a lot of control over it. I am not sure where you get the idea that the social construct and overlay of morality and right and wrong are not powerful and overwhelming motivators in this scheme. In fact, much of human behavior (to include empathy and selflessness) were developed because it is better for the group. Why would you think those long term evolutionary constructs aren’t real and guiding our behavior and expectations of our behavior today? What is “free will” to you? The ability to make choices? Well the rest of us have free will too. We aren’t some sort of automatons where we are not making millions of choices all the time. Sure, one set of choices might be the “easier” or “lazier” choice but we can overlay different orders on them from the rules of our society or group. This is not hard. |
It seems that thinking that atheists are "pushing fairy stories on others" makes pp feel more secure in his/her religion - feeling that being religious makes more sense than not being religious. Even the most intelligent religious people can pull these tricks on themselves. Sometimes being intelligent and well-read actually exacerbates the issue because it allows people to try to use their intellect to reinforce their fallacious thinking. |
It's called The Dunning Kruger effect and it is a researched thing. https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740 |
Yes - and it applies to anyone who assumes their advanced knowledge and intellectual ability automatically makes their position on an issue superior to others' position. |
You. |