FOIA request Across VA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing this thread reveals that I keep saying to people in real life is all these CRT people have zero clue what they’re talking about. Not even just with CRT which is a given. They want to say what happens in education but people don’t even know what FOIA does and doesn’t cover, the difference between curriculum and standards, what is in a lesson plan. It’s wild. Who the hell gave any of you the notion you should have control over what and how schools teach when you know NOTHING about even the most basic concepts related to school?

Not OP and someone who knows all the terms you mentioned (have even seen the program of studies as given to teachers). CRT is a floating signifier, but I can usually tell when someone means the whole worldview of Kendi/DiAngelo versus the writings of Crenshaw versus the straw man the left makes of the rights’ concerns.

However: I think it is utterly wild that you can say parents should not have input on the education of the children they are raising. Parents (and guardians/caregivers) are a child’s first and most important teachers. Of course they have a say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing this thread reveals that I keep saying to people in real life is all these CRT people have zero clue what they’re talking about. Not even just with CRT which is a given. They want to say what happens in education but people don’t even know what FOIA does and doesn’t cover, the difference between curriculum and standards, what is in a lesson plan. It’s wild. Who the hell gave any of you the notion you should have control over what and how schools teach when you know NOTHING about even the most basic concepts related to school?

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing this thread reveals that I keep saying to people in real life is all these CRT people have zero clue what they’re talking about. Not even just with CRT which is a given. They want to say what happens in education but people don’t even know what FOIA does and doesn’t cover, the difference between curriculum and standards, what is in a lesson plan. It’s wild. Who the hell gave any of you the notion you should have control over what and how schools teach when you know NOTHING about even the most basic concepts related to school?

Not OP and someone who knows all the terms you mentioned (have even seen the program of studies as given to teachers). CRT is a floating signifier, but I can usually tell when someone means the whole worldview of Kendi/DiAngelo versus the writings of Crenshaw versus the straw man the left makes of the rights’ concerns.

However: I think it is utterly wild that you can say parents should not have input on the education of the children they are raising. Parents (and guardians/caregivers) are a child’s first and most important teachers. Of course they have a say.

We are not talking about input. We are talking about political groups demanding “they” take back “their” schools and trying to get books, curriculum, etc. removed or rewritten for their personal agenda. Yet don’t even know what CRT is or what the difference is between standards and curriculum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you actually want to see curricula. There might be a rights issue there because it needs to be purchased. Either way you aren’t going to find what you’re looking for.

Curriculum is usually available on school district websites.

No it isn’t. If it exists it’s copyrighted. Rarely does a full curriculum exist to hand to teachers though.

Does Virginia exempt copyrighted materials? Federally, isn't research, criticism, news etc. fair use? In Virginia, can requested docs simply be inspected so they don't require reproduction.

No. Curriculum would be a product that a company produced and a district paid for. It is intellectual property. It would not be subject to FOIA’s. FOIA is for internal communication, data, records.

you should get any communications that discuss or distribute it with the copyrighted material redacted or removed. You can also get any communications with the provider not protected by an exemption

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Culturally responsive teaching isn’t critical race theory and it isn’t a curriculum, it’s an approach to how you teach. Trying to FOIA culturally responsive teaching is like trying to FOIA rigor or high standards, it’s a mindset and paradigm.

If I foia'd rigor, I would probably get a voluminous response that would cost me a fortune.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The thing this thread reveals that I keep saying to people in real life is all these CRT people have zero clue what they’re talking about. Not even just with CRT which is a given. They want to say what happens in education but people don’t even know what FOIA does and doesn’t cover, the difference between curriculum and standards, what is in a lesson plan. It’s wild. Who the hell gave any of you the notion you should have control over what and how schools teach when you know NOTHING about even the most basic concepts related to school?

Not OP and someone who knows all the terms you mentioned (have even seen the program of studies as given to teachers). CRT is a floating signifier, but I can usually tell when someone means the whole worldview of Kendi/DiAngelo versus the writings of Crenshaw versus the straw man the left makes of the rights’ concerns.

However: I think it is utterly wild that you can say parents should not have input on the education of the children they are raising. Parents (and guardians/caregivers) are a child’s first and most important teachers. Of course they have a say.

We are not talking about input. We are talking about political groups demanding “they” take back “their” schools and trying to get books, curriculum, etc. removed or rewritten for their personal agenda. Yet don’t even know what CRT is or what the difference is between standards and curriculum.

Point me to a real actual group doing this. Not an opinion piece by a scared op-ed writer, but a real group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The thing this thread reveals that I keep saying to people in real life is all these CRT people have zero clue what they’re talking about. Not even just with CRT which is a given. They want to say what happens in education but people don’t even know what FOIA does and doesn’t cover, the difference between curriculum and standards, what is in a lesson plan. It’s wild. Who the hell gave any of you the notion you should have control over what and how schools teach when you know NOTHING about even the most basic concepts related to school?

Not OP and someone who knows all the terms you mentioned (have even seen the program of studies as given to teachers). CRT is a floating signifier, but I can usually tell when someone means the whole worldview of Kendi/DiAngelo versus the writings of Crenshaw versus the straw man the left makes of the rights’ concerns.

However: I think it is utterly wild that you can say parents should not have input on the education of the children they are raising. Parents (and guardians/caregivers) are a child’s first and most important teachers. Of course they have a say.

We are not talking about input. We are talking about political groups demanding “they” take back “their” schools and trying to get books, curriculum, etc. removed or rewritten for their personal agenda. Yet don’t even know what CRT is or what the difference is between standards and curriculum.

Point me to a real actual group doing this. Not an opinion piece by a scared op-ed writer, but a real group.

Fight For Schools and Parents Against Critical Theory. Both in Loudoun. My neighbors have a “We the Parents Stand Up” sign in their front window. Part of that group at the LCPS school board meeting that made national news. Yes these are real groups led by political operatives.

[Anonymous]

Oh to clarify- the we the parents stand up is a sign for the Stand Up Virginia group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The thing this thread reveals that I keep saying to people in real life is all these CRT people have zero clue what they’re talking about. Not even just with CRT which is a given. They want to say what happens in education but people don’t even know what FOIA does and doesn’t cover, the difference between curriculum and standards, what is in a lesson plan. It’s wild. Who the hell gave any of you the notion you should have control over what and how schools teach when you know NOTHING about even the most basic concepts related to school?

Not OP and someone who knows all the terms you mentioned (have even seen the program of studies as given to teachers). CRT is a floating signifier, but I can usually tell when someone means the whole worldview of Kendi/DiAngelo versus the writings of Crenshaw versus the straw man the left makes of the rights’ concerns.

However: I think it is utterly wild that you can say parents should not have input on the education of the children they are raising. Parents (and guardians/caregivers) are a child’s first and most important teachers. Of course they have a say.

We are not talking about input. We are talking about political groups demanding “they” take back “their” schools and trying to get books, curriculum, etc. removed or rewritten for their personal agenda. Yet don’t even know what CRT is or what the difference is between standards and curriculum.

Point me to a real actual group doing this. Not an opinion piece by a scared op-ed writer, but a real group.

Fight For Schools and Parents Against Critical Theory. Both in Loudoun. My neighbors have a “We the Parents Stand Up” sign in their front window. Part of that group at the LCPS school board meeting that made national news. Yes these are real groups led by political operatives.

I find there is a distinction between political operatives using their skills to advocate for a cause they believe in personally and astroturf. Even if few people in today's climate want to believe it could happen, I do. Maybe these parents, however uninformed, really just want have a freaking input in their own kids' education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The thing this thread reveals that I keep saying to people in real life is all these CRT people have zero clue what they’re talking about. Not even just with CRT which is a given. They want to say what happens in education but people don’t even know what FOIA does and doesn’t cover, the difference between curriculum and standards, what is in a lesson plan. It’s wild. Who the hell gave any of you the notion you should have control over what and how schools teach when you know NOTHING about even the most basic concepts related to school?

Not OP and someone who knows all the terms you mentioned (have even seen the program of studies as given to teachers). CRT is a floating signifier, but I can usually tell when someone means the whole worldview of Kendi/DiAngelo versus the writings of Crenshaw versus the straw man the left makes of the rights’ concerns.

However: I think it is utterly wild that you can say parents should not have input on the education of the children they are raising. Parents (and guardians/caregivers) are a child’s first and most important teachers. Of course they have a say.

We are not talking about input. We are talking about political groups demanding “they” take back “their” schools and trying to get books, curriculum, etc. removed or rewritten for their personal agenda. Yet don’t even know what CRT is or what the difference is between standards and curriculum.

Point me to a real actual group doing this. Not an opinion piece by a scared op-ed writer, but a real group.

Fight For Schools and Parents Against Critical Theory. Both in Loudoun. My neighbors have a “We the Parents Stand Up” sign in their front window. Part of that group at the LCPS school board meeting that made national news. Yes these are real groups led by political operatives.

I find there is a distinction between political operatives using their skills to advocate for a cause they believe in personally and astroturf. Even if few people in today's climate want to believe it could happen, I do. Maybe these parents, however uninformed, really just want have a freaking input in their own kids' education.

We are NOT TALKING about parents who want input. We are talking about parents with a political agenda terrorizing school board meetings, lying about curriculum, trying to get school board members and state attorneys recalled. They want money for school choice and to destroy public schools. This is northern Virginia. They’re not hillbillies, they know very well what they’re doing even if they’re following someone doing this with larger political motivations.

[Anonymous]

"Unfortunately, we did not receive a request for information from you last week.

Given the breadth of your first request and reasonable costs associated with reviewing numerous existing documents and converting that information into a presentable form, it is reasonable to anticipate that the cost will exceed $200.

Pursuant to existing policy, we must request that you agree to pay a deposit of $200 before continuing to process this request. This deposit will be credited toward the final cost of supplying the requested material.

As per your second request, our high schools are grades 9 through 12 for the 2020-21 academic year."

WOW JUST WOW

[Anonymous]

What’s the wow? We told you you would incur the cost of pulling the information. That’s how it works. Pay it or don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Unfortunately, we did not receive a request for information from you last week.

Given the breadth of your first request and reasonable costs associated with reviewing numerous existing documents and converting that information into a presentable form, it is reasonable to anticipate that the cost will exceed $200.

Pursuant to existing policy, we must request that you agree to pay a deposit of $200 before continuing to process this request. This deposit will be credited toward the final cost of supplying the requested material.

As per your second request, our high schools are grades 9 through 12 for the 2020-21 academic year."

WOW JUST WOW

That is 100% normal. Do you have a final cost from them? I'd get that before putting down $200.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s the wow? We told you you would incur the cost of pulling the information. That’s how it works. Pay it or don’t.

this. If there was no requirement to pay the cost, people would use FOIA to bankrupt municipalities

[Anonymous]

Request Item #1: A (PDF) copy of the CRT lesson plan being taught to students by grade level.
No such document(s) or record(s) exists. Berkeley County Schools absolutely
does not teach students to hate the color of their skin. We do teach them to be accepting and
respectful to all, regardless of their race, gender, or any other difference. A discussion about
white privilege, racism, anti-racism, etc., may occur in classes based on content standards or
organic purposes - particularly in history or English classes - which does not denote teaching
critical race theory.


They are teaching about "White Privilege"..... There is no such thing as white Privilege...