Worth Reporting - In-Boundary Fraud?

[Anonymous]

This whole thread is based on the premise that some schools are so much worse than others that it is worth whistleblowing on someone to to send a child to the worse school in the name off equity.

Meanwhile, just about every other thread here has cheerleaders saying the other school is just as good and anyone who doesn't send their kids there is racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only people mad about this are the ones that overpaid to live in-bounds and are equally mad at “those” OOB students taking up space in “their” schools. Or maybe charter lottery winners who don’t like thinking their kids aren’t in the best school possible. If you don’t like it, petition OSSE to change the policy. Don’t be petty and spiteful.

Wrong. IB people don’t really care about this (although nobody likes an entitled cheater), but those who play the lottery for the scarce OOB spots, who are being cheated out of their chances, presumably do.

Yeah no. Deal feeders take a handful of spots total. Maybe more from Hardy through Hyde, etc. But you’re very transparent that you’re making this up. Those of us that are OOB don’t actually care because we know we haven’t been able to get in OOB in a decade. Nice try though.

There would be more spots if there weren’t affluent cheaters like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People who can afford this sleight of hand are doing it at the expense of those folks who cannot afford it and so have to, as PP says, play by the rules. Sure, go ahead. But pls don’t bother talking about equity in education because you have lost all credibility.

Where are your kids in school? And you think it’s better that those middle class families all move to Maryland?

No "middle class family" can afford an apartment in Ward 3 in addition to their home in Shaw.

Of course they can. Tons of people rent EOTP houses and rent in Ward 3. Happens all of the time. It’s just a question of doing it for a year or making it a permanent move. And if they bought 10 years ago, their mortgage is probably half what newer families pay. We could rent our Ward 4 rowhouse for $1-1.5k more than our mortgage.

So what HHI are we talking?

Yeah, really curious how the PP defines “middle class”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only people mad about this are the ones that overpaid to live in-bounds and are equally mad at “those” OOB students taking up space in “their” schools. Or maybe charter lottery winners who don’t like thinking their kids aren’t in the best school possible. If you don’t like it, petition OSSE to change the policy. Don’t be petty and spiteful.

For real. This is an issue for the Wilson feeder schools. No one else cares.

Except the people who want into the Wilson feeders. They care. They care because they can’t get in because other people who are rich enough to afford it will lie.

I guess you don’t care about equity as much as you say you do.

When you trot out this little “as much as you say you do” line, who are you speaking to? The voices in your head.

Any actual response to the point that ignoring, if not encouraging people who have the money to cheat the system is not equitable? Anything? Do you think the rich deserve more just because they can afford it?

it sounds like they are following the rules and if the had more money, they would just buy an inbounds house. That's what the rich who want to stay public do- they purchase a house in an acceptable school district. It's not cheating, it's how the system was designed to work

It might not be technically illegal, but it certainly goes against what the system of neighborhood schools was designed to do. It is meant to allow kids who live near each other to go to school together, not to put those into the same school who can afford to own or rent a piece of real estate in the same neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

This family is breaking rules at a minimum. To enroll at a school as an in-boundary student, one is required to verify residency (not ownership). OP clearly stated that her "friend" does not plan to live there. Thus at a minimum it is cheating.

I find it disgusting, however I don't imagine that the offending person cares at all what others think as they are bragging about being cheaters. Unfortunately these people exist. It would be very hard to prove and very hard to enforce. I would cease any contact with this family as they clearly are not people I would want around my kids. Or people I would want to be around myself for that matter.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people mad about this are the ones that overpaid to live in-bounds and are equally mad at “those” OOB students taking up space in “their” schools. Or maybe charter lottery winners who don’t like thinking their kids aren’t in the best school possible. If you don’t like it, petition OSSE to change the policy. Don’t be petty and spiteful.

For real. This is an issue for the Wilson feeder schools. No one else cares.

Except the people who want into the Wilson feeders. They care. They care because they can’t get in because other people who are rich enough to afford it will lie.

I guess you don’t care about equity as much as you say you do.

When you trot out this little “as much as you say you do” line, who are you speaking to? The voices in your head.

Any actual response to the point that ignoring, if not encouraging people who have the money to cheat the system is not equitable? Anything? Do you think the rich deserve more just because they can afford it?

it sounds like they are following the rules and if the had more money, they would just buy an inbounds house. That's what the rich who want to stay public do- they purchase a house in an acceptable school district. It's not cheating, it's how the system was designed to work

It might not be technically illegal, but it certainly goes against what the system of neighborhood schools was designed to do. It is meant to allow kids who live near each other to go to school together, not to put those into the same school who can afford to own or rent a piece of real estate in the same neighborhood.

The spirit of neighborhood schools in the US is segregation. That’s why busing was a thing.

[Anonymous]

Fine, they can move in for a month, enroll as in-bound, then let the apartment sit empty. That’s explicitly allowed in the enrollment handbook. Everyone happy now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only people mad about this are the ones that overpaid to live in-bounds and are equally mad at “those” OOB students taking up space in “their” schools. Or maybe charter lottery winners who don’t like thinking their kids aren’t in the best school possible. If you don’t like it, petition OSSE to change the policy. Don’t be petty and spiteful.

It sounds like you are projecting. People who bought IB don’t dislike this because they overpaid and are envious of others having the same for less (we certainly didn’t, having bought over ten years ago), but because a) most people don’t like cheaters, and b) people want their kids to go to school with others who live nearby. That’s why they chose a neighborhood school and not a charter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This family is breaking rules at a minimum. To enroll at a school as an in-boundary student, one is required to verify residency (not ownership). OP clearly stated that her "friend" does not plan to live there. Thus at a minimum it is cheating.

I find it disgusting, however I don't imagine that the offending person cares at all what others think as they are bragging about being cheaters. Unfortunately these people exist. It would be very hard to prove and very hard to enforce. I would cease any contact with this family as they clearly are not people I would want around my kids. Or people I would want to be around myself for that matter.

+1. If you want to avoid poor people, you need to be able to live in bounds. That's how the system works, the kids in the nice neighborhoods go to neighborhood schools which feed into middle schools (also comprised of neighborhood schools in expensive neighborhoods) and then similar middle schools feed into high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people mad about this are the ones that overpaid to live in-bounds and are equally mad at “those” OOB students taking up space in “their” schools. Or maybe charter lottery winners who don’t like thinking their kids aren’t in the best school possible. If you don’t like it, petition OSSE to change the policy. Don’t be petty and spiteful.

For real. This is an issue for the Wilson feeder schools. No one else cares.

Except the people who want into the Wilson feeders. They care. They care because they can’t get in because other people who are rich enough to afford it will lie.

I guess you don’t care about equity as much as you say you do.

When you trot out this little “as much as you say you do” line, who are you speaking to? The voices in your head.

Any actual response to the point that ignoring, if not encouraging people who have the money to cheat the system is not equitable? Anything? Do you think the rich deserve more just because they can afford it?

it sounds like they are following the rules and if the had more money, they would just buy an inbounds house. That's what the rich who want to stay public do- they purchase a house in an acceptable school district. It's not cheating, it's how the system was designed to work

It might not be technically illegal, but it certainly goes against what the system of neighborhood schools was designed to do. It is meant to allow kids who live near each other to go to school together, not to put those into the same school who can afford to own or rent a piece of real estate in the same neighborhood.

The spirit of neighborhood schools in the US is segregation. That’s why busing was a thing.

Also contradictory with the “let the real middle class people have their OOB seats” argument.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people mad about this are the ones that overpaid to live in-bounds and are equally mad at “those” OOB students taking up space in “their” schools. Or maybe charter lottery winners who don’t like thinking their kids aren’t in the best school possible. If you don’t like it, petition OSSE to change the policy. Don’t be petty and spiteful.

For real. This is an issue for the Wilson feeder schools. No one else cares.

Except the people who want into the Wilson feeders. They care. They care because they can’t get in because other people who are rich enough to afford it will lie.

I guess you don’t care about equity as much as you say you do.

When you trot out this little “as much as you say you do” line, who are you speaking to? The voices in your head.

Any actual response to the point that ignoring, if not encouraging people who have the money to cheat the system is not equitable? Anything? Do you think the rich deserve more just because they can afford it?

it sounds like they are following the rules and if the had more money, they would just buy an inbounds house. That's what the rich who want to stay public do- they purchase a house in an acceptable school district. It's not cheating, it's how the system was designed to work

It might not be technically illegal, but it certainly goes against what the system of neighborhood schools was designed to do. It is meant to allow kids who live near each other to go to school together, not to put those into the same school who can afford to own or rent a piece of real estate in the same neighborhood.

The spirit of neighborhood schools in the US is segregation. That’s why busing was a thing.

So now we desegregate by allowing affluent families get in by owning or renting extra real estate, and taking up the few spots that could go to at-risk kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only people mad about this are the ones that overpaid to live in-bounds and are equally mad at “those” OOB students taking up space in “their” schools. Or maybe charter lottery winners who don’t like thinking their kids aren’t in the best school possible. If you don’t like it, petition OSSE to change the policy. Don’t be petty and spiteful.

For real. This is an issue for the Wilson feeder schools. No one else cares.

Except the people who want into the Wilson feeders. They care. They care because they can’t get in because other people who are rich enough to afford it will lie.

I guess you don’t care about equity as much as you say you do.

When you trot out this little “as much as you say you do” line, who are you speaking to? The voices in your head.

Any actual response to the point that ignoring, if not encouraging people who have the money to cheat the system is not equitable? Anything? Do you think the rich deserve more just because they can afford it?

it sounds like they are following the rules and if the had more money, they would just buy an inbounds house. That's what the rich who want to stay public do- they purchase a house in an acceptable school district. It's not cheating, it's how the system was designed to work

It might not be technically illegal, but it certainly goes against what the system of neighborhood schools was designed to do. It is meant to allow kids who live near each other to go to school together, not to put those into the same school who can afford to own or rent a piece of real estate in the same neighborhood.

The spirit of neighborhood schools in the US is segregation. That’s why busing was a thing.

Also contradictory with the “let the real middle class people have their OOB seats” argument.

What are you trying to say?

[Anonymous]

Who cares? At least they OWN the property in-bounds. That is like 1 billion times better than all the rest of shady residency and boundary fraud that is going on all the time.

[Anonymous]

I’m sorry, are we opposing this because we value neighborhood schools or because we care about the at risk kids? There’s so much pearl clutching happening I’m starting to feel lost…

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Anonymous wrote:The only people mad about this are the ones that overpaid to live in-bounds and are equally mad at “those” OOB students taking up space in “their” schools. Or maybe charter lottery winners who don’t like thinking their kids aren’t in the best school possible. If you don’t like it, petition OSSE to change the policy. Don’t be petty and spiteful.

For real. This is an issue for the Wilson feeder schools. No one else cares.

Except the people who want into the Wilson feeders. They care. They care because they can’t get in because other people who are rich enough to afford it will lie.

I guess you don’t care about equity as much as you say you do.

When you trot out this little “as much as you say you do” line, who are you speaking to? The voices in your head.

Any actual response to the point that ignoring, if not encouraging people who have the money to cheat the system is not equitable? Anything? Do you think the rich deserve more just because they can afford it?

it sounds like they are following the rules and if the had more money, they would just buy an inbounds house. That's what the rich who want to stay public do- they purchase a house in an acceptable school district. It's not cheating, it's how the system was designed to work

It might not be technically illegal, but it certainly goes against what the system of neighborhood schools was designed to do. It is meant to allow kids who live near each other to go to school together, not to put those into the same school who can afford to own or rent a piece of real estate in the same neighborhood.

The spirit of neighborhood schools in the US is segregation. That’s why busing was a thing.

So now we desegregate by allowing affluent families get in by owning or renting extra real estate, and taking up the few spots that could go to at-risk kids?

I’m not saying working the rules is ok, I’m explaining why you’ll get the side eye for being so fired up about it.