Why aren't some people who believe in hell worried about it?

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically. [b]

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

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Anyone can join the “exclusive club.”

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone can join the “exclusive club.”

Anyone? Or do you have to beiieve in Jesus?

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

And you are just guessing.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

And you are just guessing.

who are you talking to?

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

And you are just guessing.

And you are deflecting.

Everyone who discusses this stuff is just guessing. There's no way of knowing until you're dead. Some of the stories are pretty outlandish, though and others are easily refuted by modern science, e.g., Jesus rising bodily to heaven. We now know that you can't live out of the earth's atmosphere, without oxygen

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

And you are just guessing.

And you are deflecting.

Everyone who discusses this stuff is just guessing. There's no way of knowing until you're dead. Some of the stories are pretty outlandish, though and others are easily refuted by modern science, e.g., Jesus rising bodily to heaven. We now know that you can't live out of the earth's atmosphere, without oxygen

The Savior is not dependent on food or water or oxygen or any other substance or power or person for life. Both as Jehovah and Messiah, He is the great I Am, the self-existing God. He simply is and ever will be.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

And you are just guessing.

And you are deflecting.

Everyone who discusses this stuff is just guessing. There's no way of knowing until you're dead. Some of the stories are pretty outlandish, though and others are easily refuted by modern science, e.g., Jesus rising bodily to heaven. We now know that you can't live out of the earth's atmosphere, without oxygen

The Savior is not dependent on food or water or oxygen or any other substance or power or person for life. Both as Jehovah and Messiah, He is the great I Am, the self-existing God. He simply is and ever will be.

Ah, right. But in those days it was thought that people breathed in heaven just like they do on earth. Jesus's special trick was the bodily ascension, not lack of need for oxygen.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

And you are just guessing.

And you are deflecting.

Everyone who discusses this stuff is just guessing. There's no way of knowing until you're dead. Some of the stories are pretty outlandish, though and others are easily refuted by modern science, e.g., Jesus rising bodily to heaven. We now know that you can't live out of the earth's atmosphere, without oxygen

The Savior is not dependent on food or water or oxygen or any other substance or power or person for life. Both as Jehovah and Messiah, He is the great I Am, the self-existing God. He simply is and ever will be.

He's like the toughest kid on the block - but for eternity - not just until everyone grows up and leaves the 'hood. /S

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

And you are just guessing.

And you are deflecting.

Everyone who discusses this stuff is just guessing. There's no way of knowing until you're dead. Some of the stories are pretty outlandish, though and others are easily refuted by modern science, e.g., Jesus rising bodily to heaven. We now know that you can't live out of the earth's atmosphere, without oxygen

The Savior is not dependent on food or water or oxygen or any other substance or power or person for life. Both as Jehovah and Messiah, He is the great I Am, the self-existing God. He simply is and ever will be.

He's like the toughest kid on the block - but for eternity - not just until everyone grows up and leaves the 'hood. /S

He came before as a lamb; He will come next as a Lion.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

And you are just guessing.

And you are deflecting.

Everyone who discusses this stuff is just guessing. There's no way of knowing until you're dead. Some of the stories are pretty outlandish, though and others are easily refuted by modern science, e.g., Jesus rising bodily to heaven. We now know that you can't live out of the earth's atmosphere, without oxygen

The Savior is not dependent on food or water or oxygen or any other substance or power or person for life. Both as Jehovah and Messiah, He is the great I Am, the self-existing God. He simply is and ever will be.

He's like the toughest kid on the block - but for eternity - not just until everyone grows up and leaves the 'hood. /S

He came before as a lamb; He will come next as a Lion.

How about creating a new thread to discuss this?

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

And you are just guessing.

And you are deflecting.

Everyone who discusses this stuff is just guessing. There's no way of knowing until you're dead. Some of the stories are pretty outlandish, though and others are easily refuted by modern science, e.g., Jesus rising bodily to heaven. We now know that you can't live out of the earth's atmosphere, without oxygen

The Savior is not dependent on food or water or oxygen or any other substance or power or person for life. Both as Jehovah and Messiah, He is the great I Am, the self-existing God. He simply is and ever will be.

He's like the toughest kid on the block - but for eternity - not just until everyone grows up and leaves the 'hood. /S

He came before as a lamb; He will come next as a Lion.

Maybe he's Putin -- or Trump, soon to be "reinstated."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re essentially asking why I, as a believing person, don’t worry God is wrong and exercising poor judgment.

This.

Also, my religion doesn’t teach people who aren’t our religion go to hell. It teaches that people who sin certain horrible sins and refuse to repent go to hell. That can include people in our religion. I could proselytize 24/7 and win converts, but I can’t make someone be a good person.

Does God make them bad (in the same way, for instance, that he creates them poor or sick), then give them (some of them, at least, depending on where they live) the opportunity to be converted to Christianity and become good?

Why are you obsessed with the idea that converting to Christianity is going to make someone good? If anything, some denominations teach that once you convert, you do not have an excuse for sinful behavior and are actually held to a higher standard. In some communities, people wait until they are very old or on their deathbed to be baptized so that a lifetime of sin is washed away.

Anyway, my particular denomination emphasizes free well. God makes people neither good nor bad. People choose their actions. They can also choose whether or not to repent.

Does this work? That is, does God accept these late-life conversions knowing that the motive is to allow for a lifetime of sin?

Your heart must believe it. It must be an honest and true choice. It’s not something you can do superficially, and not mean it authentically.

Anyone? Do you have to believe in Jesus Christ?

In Christianity, yes.

well that's not really the answer because you (or some pp) said, and I quote, "Anyone at any time can receive the gift of salvation." So do you have to believe in Jesus or can anyone receive the gift of salvation???

The Bible book, Romans, says ‘…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. God is just and fair. For God, sin is too serious to ignore. And so, for the sake of God’s justice, sin needs to be punished. A price has to be paid. The part of the Bible before the birth of Jesus Christ – the Old Testament – tells the history of the Hebrew people. They made amends for their sin by offering animals as sacrifices. The Bible book, Romans, says ‘the wages of sin is death…’ The stain of sin on humanity is so deep no-one but Jesus can remove it. And it can only be removed by Jesus – God in human form – sacrificing his own life. It is this spilling of Jesus’ innocent blood that forgives and saves humanity. The punishment that humanity deserves because of its sin, has been taken by Jesus once and for all. As the Bible book, 1 Peter, puts it, ‘by his wounds (we) are healed…’ The Bible says Jesus was given his name because he would save people from their sins. When an angel announced his birth to shepherds in Bethlehem, he described the baby Jesus as a ‘Saviour’.

Christians believe that Jesus’ death means that salvation is on offer to everyone. It is a free gift. It cannot be earned. [b]Anyone who puts their trust and faith in Jesus Christ, turning from their current way of life and declaring him to be the Son of God will receive salvation. As the Bible book Romans says, 'anyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.' Christians refer to this free gift of salvation from Jesus as ‘grace’. This is God’s plan for everyone. There is no other way to be saved. In the Bible book, John, Jesus says ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me’. The Bible book, 1 Timothy, speaks of ‘God our Saviour who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth’.

Well there's the problem right there. You have to belong to a certain exclusive cub to gain this alleged benefit. Much of the world doesn't even know of Jesus, and what about the people who died before he was born? Out of luck I guess.

And you are just guessing.

And you are deflecting.

Everyone who discusses this stuff is just guessing. There's no way of knowing until you're dead. Some of the stories are pretty outlandish, though and others are easily refuted by modern science, e.g., Jesus rising bodily to heaven. We now know that you can't live out of the earth's atmosphere, without oxygen

The Savior is not dependent on food or water or oxygen or any other substance or power or person for life. Both as Jehovah and Messiah, He is the great I Am, the self-existing God. He simply is and ever will be.

He's like the toughest kid on the block - but for eternity - not just until everyone grows up and leaves the 'hood. /S

He came before as a lamb; He will come next as a Lion.

Maybe he's Putin -- or Trump, soon to be "reinstated."