Stuart Hobson MS

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many negative threads. The school seems great this year virtually. Is there a lot of differentiation in-person, how are the teachers, are there fights in the school?

. The IB % is only around a quarter. Unless you think PR is the main problem, that’s all you really need to know. You can make the best of the school, or avoid it. Those are your choices. It’s only going to so good with kids who read 2 or 3 grade levels behind yours in the same science and social studies classes.

IB% doesn’t mean much on the Hill. Brent and Maury students who go to SH are OOB.

I doubt there are many Brent and Maury kids going to SH.

Not many but definitely some

There's a small growing cadre at EH.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering if parents who are in boundary would still mind a lot out of boundary students attending if they were at grade level or above?

Well, when they all say in boundary, that's not really what they are talking about. It's just a coded way of saying white.

. This Asian IB mom disagrees that it’s a coded way of saying white. It’s a not so coded way of saying high SES/mostly working at or above grade level because your family is UMC, like more than 80% of residents of the SH catchment area. If DC didn’t want neighborhood schools, it should have ditched them decades ago, like my hometown (San Fran).

As an actual SH parent I can confirm that plenty of my kid's OOB peers are in the advanced cohort. Nearly all of the students attend because they live in catchment and/or attended Watkins, Ludlow Taylor, or JO Wilson in 5th grade. And there are plenty of black middle class families at SH.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering if parents who are in boundary would still mind a lot out of boundary students attending if they were at grade level or above?

Well, when they all say in boundary, that's not really what they are talking about. It's just a coded way of saying white.

. This Asian IB mom disagrees that it’s a coded way of saying white. It’s a not so coded way of saying high SES/mostly working at or above grade level because your family is UMC, like more than 80% of residents of the SH catchment area. If DC didn’t want neighborhood schools, it should have ditched them decades ago, like my hometown (San Fran).

As an actual SH parent I can confirm that plenty of my kid's OOB peers are in the advanced cohort. Nearly all of the students attend because they live in catchment and/or attended Watkins, Ludlow Taylor, or JO Wilson in 5th grade. And there are plenty of black middle class families at SH.

OK, but DCPS still insists that SH lumps kids who read at a 3rd or 4th grade level into the same science and social studies classes as students who can work at a HS level in those subjects. The unfortunate, and permanent seeming, arrangement has been a turn-off for many of us for years. The strong former head, who quit last year, didn't seem to like it much either.

Also, SH has a much larger and equally intractable problem. The school doesn't feed into a HS that appeals to UMC Hill parents. SH feeds into Eastern, and some of the catchment area feeds into Dunbar. Both schools are dead ends.

The dearth of a halfway decent by-right HS is the main reason IB families in the feeders run off to the language immersion feeders to DCI, BASIS and Washington Latin. Many of us would try Hobson if it fed to a remotely acceptable HS. It doesn't, and almost certainly, won't for at least a generation. We can't all count on our kids testing into Walls, or feel confident that Banneker, McKinley Tech or Ellington would work for our families.

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Do Deal or Hardy do differentiated social studies or science? SH seems to be in line with them on advanced/accelerated math and English tracks.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering if parents who are in boundary would still mind a lot out of boundary students attending if they were at grade level or above?

Well, when they all say in boundary, that's not really what they are talking about. It's just a coded way of saying white.

. This Asian IB mom disagrees that it’s a coded way of saying white. It’s a not so coded way of saying high SES/mostly working at or above grade level because your family is UMC, like more than 80% of residents of the SH catchment area. If DC didn’t want neighborhood schools, it should have ditched them decades ago, like my hometown (San Fran).

As an actual SH parent I can confirm that plenty of my kid's OOB peers are in the advanced cohort. Nearly all of the students attend because they live in catchment and/or attended Watkins, Ludlow Taylor, or JO Wilson in 5th grade. And there are plenty of black middle class families at SH.

OK, but DCPS still insists that SH lumps kids who read at a 3rd or 4th grade level into the same science and social studies classes as students who can work at a HS level in those subjects. The unfortunate, and permanent seeming, arrangement has been a turn-off for many of us for years. The strong former head, who quit last year, didn't seem to like it much either.

Also, SH has a much larger and equally intractable problem. The school doesn't feed into a HS that appeals to UMC Hill parents. SH feeds into Eastern, and some of the catchment area feeds into Dunbar. Both schools are dead ends.

The dearth of a halfway decent by-right HS is the main reason IB families in the feeders run off to the language immersion feeders to DCI, BASIS and Washington Latin. Many of us would try Hobson if it fed to a remotely acceptable HS. It doesn't, and almost certainly, won't for at least a generation. We can't all count on our kids testing into Walls, or feel confident that Banneker, McKinley Tech or Ellington would work for our families.

This has less of an impact than you may think. The curriculum is the curriculum -- it's not like it would change any with an entirely advanced cohort. The SS and science at SH looks a lot like that at Deal and Hardy, just with more brown faces in classrooms (and on screen these days). And if you find public education serving all needs objectionable rather than self-segregating, private school may be a better option for you.

These thread are just so freaking tired

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering if parents who are in boundary would still mind a lot out of boundary students attending if they were at grade level or above?

Well, when they all say in boundary, that's not really what they are talking about. It's just a coded way of saying white.

. This Asian IB mom disagrees that it’s a coded way of saying white. It’s a not so coded way of saying high SES/mostly working at or above grade level because your family is UMC, like more than 80% of residents of the SH catchment area. If DC didn’t want neighborhood schools, it should have ditched them decades ago, like my hometown (San Fran).

As an actual SH parent I can confirm that plenty of my kid's OOB peers are in the advanced cohort. Nearly all of the students attend because they live in catchment and/or attended Watkins, Ludlow Taylor, or JO Wilson in 5th grade. And there are plenty of black middle class families at SH.

OK, but DCPS still insists that SH lumps kids who read at a 3rd or 4th grade level into the same science and social studies classes as students who can work at a HS level in those subjects. The unfortunate, and permanent seeming, arrangement has been a turn-off for many of us for years. The strong former head, who quit last year, didn't seem to like it much either.

Also, SH has a much larger and equally intractable problem. The school doesn't feed into a HS that appeals to UMC Hill parents. SH feeds into Eastern, and some of the catchment area feeds into Dunbar. Both schools are dead ends.

The dearth of a halfway decent by-right HS is the main reason IB families in the feeders run off to the language immersion feeders to DCI, BASIS and Washington Latin. Many of us would try Hobson if it fed to a remotely acceptable HS. It doesn't, and almost certainly, won't for at least a generation. We can't all count on our kids testing into Walls, or feel confident that Banneker, McKinley Tech or Ellington would work for our families.

This has less of an impact than you may think. The curriculum is the curriculum -- it's not like it would change any with an entirely advanced cohort. The SS and science at SH looks a lot like that at Deal and Hardy, just with more brown faces in classrooms (and on screen these days). And if you find public education serving all needs objectionable rather than self-segregating, private school may be a better option for you.

These thread are just so freaking tired

Is this a joke? Of course it would change? You could have deeper discussions, move through it faster so that you could actually finish the entire curriculum and not leave any part untouched, etc. Have you no knowledge of gifted programs?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering if parents who are in boundary would still mind a lot out of boundary students attending if they were at grade level or above?

Well, when they all say in boundary, that's not really what they are talking about. It's just a coded way of saying white.

. This Asian IB mom disagrees that it’s a coded way of saying white. It’s a not so coded way of saying high SES/mostly working at or above grade level because your family is UMC, like more than 80% of residents of the SH catchment area. If DC didn’t want neighborhood schools, it should have ditched them decades ago, like my hometown (San Fran).

As an actual SH parent I can confirm that plenty of my kid's OOB peers are in the advanced cohort. Nearly all of the students attend because they live in catchment and/or attended Watkins, Ludlow Taylor, or JO Wilson in 5th grade. And there are plenty of black middle class families at SH.

OK, but DCPS still insists that SH lumps kids who read at a 3rd or 4th grade level into the same science and social studies classes as students who can work at a HS level in those subjects. The unfortunate, and permanent seeming, arrangement has been a turn-off for many of us for years. The strong former head, who quit last year, didn't seem to like it much either.

Also, SH has a much larger and equally intractable problem. The school doesn't feed into a HS that appeals to UMC Hill parents. SH feeds into Eastern, and some of the catchment area feeds into Dunbar. Both schools are dead ends.

The dearth of a halfway decent by-right HS is the main reason IB families in the feeders run off to the language immersion feeders to DCI, BASIS and Washington Latin. Many of us would try Hobson if it fed to a remotely acceptable HS. It doesn't, and almost certainly, won't for at least a generation. We can't all count on our kids testing into Walls, or feel confident that Banneker, McKinley Tech or Ellington would work for our families.

This has less of an impact than you may think. The curriculum is the curriculum -- it's not like it would change any with an entirely advanced cohort. The SS and science at SH looks a lot like that at Deal and Hardy, just with more brown faces in classrooms (and on screen these days). And if you find public education serving all needs objectionable rather than self-segregating, private school may be a better option for you.

These thread are just so freaking tired

Is this a joke? Of course it would change? You could have deeper discussions, move through it faster so that you could actually finish the entire curriculum and not leave any part untouched, etc. Have you no knowledge of gifted programs?

right, because every DCUM child is gifted and delicate and will be damaged by being in classes with lesser children.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering if parents who are in boundary would still mind a lot out of boundary students attending if they were at grade level or above?

Well, when they all say in boundary, that's not really what they are talking about. It's just a coded way of saying white.

. This Asian IB mom disagrees that it’s a coded way of saying white. It’s a not so coded way of saying high SES/mostly working at or above grade level because your family is UMC, like more than 80% of residents of the SH catchment area. If DC didn’t want neighborhood schools, it should have ditched them decades ago, like my hometown (San Fran).

As an actual SH parent I can confirm that plenty of my kid's OOB peers are in the advanced cohort. Nearly all of the students attend because they live in catchment and/or attended Watkins, Ludlow Taylor, or JO Wilson in 5th grade. And there are plenty of black middle class families at SH.

OK, but DCPS still insists that SH lumps kids who read at a 3rd or 4th grade level into the same science and social studies classes as students who can work at a HS level in those subjects. The unfortunate, and permanent seeming, arrangement has been a turn-off for many of us for years. The strong former head, who quit last year, didn't seem to like it much either.

Also, SH has a much larger and equally intractable problem. The school doesn't feed into a HS that appeals to UMC Hill parents. SH feeds into Eastern, and some of the catchment area feeds into Dunbar. Both schools are dead ends.

The dearth of a halfway decent by-right HS is the main reason IB families in the feeders run off to the language immersion feeders to DCI, BASIS and Washington Latin. Many of us would try Hobson if it fed to a remotely acceptable HS. It doesn't, and almost certainly, won't for at least a generation. We can't all count on our kids testing into Walls, or feel confident that Banneker, McKinley Tech or Ellington would work for our families.

This has less of an impact than you may think. The curriculum is the curriculum -- it's not like it would change any with an entirely advanced cohort. The SS and science at SH looks a lot like that at Deal and Hardy, just with more brown faces in classrooms (and on screen these days). And if you find public education serving all needs objectionable rather than self-segregating, private school may be a better option for you.

These thread are just so freaking tired

It sounds like you have never had a child in a class where there is a significant number of kids who are very far behind. The biggest issue is that the people who are on grade level or above spend so much time learning nothing, because so much attention is focused on catching the other students up. If everyone was at the same level, there would be no time wasted.

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A sweeping statement but there’s more than a kernel of truth to it. For most of us in the SH district, life is is too short to risk sending our children.[vimeo]

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Everybody should avoid Stuart Hobson threads because they're old hat from the initial post.

The parents who come here to complain that the school doesn't serve the IB population at all well are invariably called the usual names - racist, elitist, snobs, misinformed about best educational practices etc.

Bowser, Charles Allen and the other city council members are just fine with the way SH runs. Once IB parents figure this out, the great majority have better things to do than bother with the program, which improves, but at a snail's pace.

The crux of the problem with IB enrollment at SH isn't in fact mainly one of weak advertising/PR on the merits of enrolling your children. Neither is the problem rooted in overt racism on the part of the IB community (claims to the contrary by boosters not withstanding).

The real problem is that, objectively speaking, SH's program isn't competitive. It can't compete with half a dozen superior DC public middle schools, let alone the suburban schools and privates IB families routinely leave DCPS for.

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Anonymous wrote:Any current parents: The virtual learning experience is similar to how it is in person? (ex: the same amount of class assignments, teachers as nice, we don't really get h.w.)

I think when they were in person they covered more material than they have this year, and gone more in-depth on the material they covered. It's hard for me to compare the amount of homework. Generally when my kids were in person, they had some homework, but not a ton. We've always found the teachers to be nice -- in person and virtually.

Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering if parents who are in boundary would still mind a lot out of boundary students attending if they were at grade level or above?

Well, when they all say in boundary, that's not really what they are talking about. It's just a coded way of saying white.

. This Asian IB mom disagrees that it’s a coded way of saying white. It’s a not so coded way of saying high SES/mostly working at or above grade level because your family is UMC, like more than 80% of residents of the SH catchment area. If DC didn’t want neighborhood schools, it should have ditched them decades ago, like my hometown (San Fran).

As an actual SH parent I can confirm that plenty of my kid's OOB peers are in the advanced cohort. Nearly all of the students attend because they live in catchment and/or attended Watkins, Ludlow Taylor, or JO Wilson in 5th grade. And there are plenty of black middle class families at SH.

OK, but DCPS still insists that SH lumps kids who read at a 3rd or 4th grade level into the same science and social studies classes as students who can work at a HS level in those subjects. The unfortunate, and permanent seeming, arrangement has been a turn-off for many of us for years. The strong former head, who quit last year, didn't seem to like it much either.

Also, SH has a much larger and equally intractable problem. The school doesn't feed into a HS that appeals to UMC Hill parents. SH feeds into Eastern, and some of the catchment area feeds into Dunbar. Both schools are dead ends.

The dearth of a halfway decent by-right HS is the main reason IB families in the feeders run off to the language immersion feeders to DCI, BASIS and Washington Latin. Many of us would try Hobson if it fed to a remotely acceptable HS. It doesn't, and almost certainly, won't for at least a generation. We can't all count on our kids testing into Walls, or feel confident that Banneker, McKinley Tech or Ellington would work for our families.

This has less of an impact than you may think. The curriculum is the curriculum -- it's not like it would change any with an entirely advanced cohort. The SS and science at SH looks a lot like that at Deal and Hardy, just with more brown faces in classrooms (and on screen these days). And if you find public education serving all needs objectionable rather than self-segregating, private school may be a better option for you.

These thread are just so freaking tired

Is this a joke? Of course it would change? You could have deeper discussions, move through it faster so that you could actually finish the entire curriculum and not leave any part untouched, etc. Have you no knowledge of gifted programs?

OK -- so now you're just moving the goal posts. Are you just the same troll on here ad nauseum about GTE?

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody should avoid Stuart Hobson threads because they're old hat from the initial post.

The parents who come here to complain that the school doesn't serve the IB population at all well are invariably called the usual names - racist, elitist, snobs, misinformed about best educational practices etc.

Bowser, Charles Allen and the other city council members are just fine with the way SH runs. Once IB parents figure this out, the great majority have better things to do than bother with the program, which improves, but at a snail's pace.

The crux of the problem with IB enrollment at SH isn't in fact mainly one of weak advertising/PR on the merits of enrolling your children. Neither is the problem rooted in overt racism on the part of the IB community (claims to the contrary by boosters not withstanding).

The real problem is that, objectively speaking, SH's program isn't competitive. It can't compete with half a dozen superior DC public middle schools, let alone the suburban schools and privates IB families routinely leave DCPS for.

My child's cohort is on track to start HS with Algebra II and reads at 12th grade level. Nothing extraordinary compared to many peers. You don't actually know this school

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody should avoid Stuart Hobson threads because they're old hat from the initial post.

The parents who come here to complain that the school doesn't serve the IB population at all well are invariably called the usual names - racist, elitist, snobs, misinformed about best educational practices etc.

Bowser, Charles Allen and the other city council members are just fine with the way SH runs. Once IB parents figure this out, the great majority have better things to do than bother with the program, which improves, but at a snail's pace.

The crux of the problem with IB enrollment at SH isn't in fact mainly one of weak advertising/PR on the merits of enrolling your children. Neither is the problem rooted in overt racism on the part of the IB community (claims to the contrary by boosters not withstanding).

The real problem is that, objectively speaking, SH's program isn't competitive. It can't compete with half a dozen superior DC public middle schools, let alone the suburban schools and privates IB families routinely leave DCPS for.

My child's cohort is on track to start HS with Algebra II and reads at 12th grade level. Nothing extraordinary compared to many peers. You don't actually know this school

How does your child feel about the social studies and science gen ed classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everybody should avoid Stuart Hobson threads because they're old hat from the initial post.

The parents who come here to complain that the school doesn't serve the IB population at all well are invariably called the usual names - racist, elitist, snobs, misinformed about best educational practices etc.

Bowser, Charles Allen and the other city council members are just fine with the way SH runs. Once IB parents figure this out, the great majority have better things to do than bother with the program, which improves, but at a snail's pace.

The crux of the problem with IB enrollment at SH isn't in fact mainly one of weak advertising/PR on the merits of enrolling your children. Neither is the problem rooted in overt racism on the part of the IB community (claims to the contrary by boosters not withstanding).

The real problem is that, objectively speaking, SH's program isn't competitive. It can't compete with half a dozen superior DC public middle schools, let alone the suburban schools and privates IB families routinely leave DCPS for.

My child's cohort is on track to start HS with Algebra II and reads at 12th grade level. Nothing extraordinary compared to many peers. You don't actually know this school

How does your child feel about the social studies and science gen ed classes.

DP. My SH 8th grade kid has enjoyed both the science and social studies classes, albeit less so during COVID because science hands-on is less and SS didn't have field trips that would normally be included. My other kid who went on to SWW was well-prepared for the high school curricula in both AP level classes for both.