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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

And to be clear, I really like a lot of things about SH and I am very happy for the people who make it work. But it’s important to us that our child have a rigorous education starting in middle school. If SH had advanced science and social studies, we would go there in a heartbeat.

what MS has advanced science and social studies? I have no issue with people’s choices but I think people who demand that kids be surrounded only by other “advanced learners” in every single class realize that they’re demanding an environment that’s really catering to a specific desire, likely not realistic for most schools. have some self-awareness and realize you’re in a very niche group and that says more about you than the actual merits of SH for most of us. My kid has some specific needs and I don’t bash schools in general based on the fact that they won’t be a good fit for him. You can’t on the one hand moan about SH not being a neighborhood school and then have an extemely narrow definition of what that means.

Many suburban counties begin tracking in middle school. Some in elementary school, although I think that’s ridiculous.

Expecting a class full of on-grade level kids is hardly being in a “niche” group on the hill.

You live on the Hill. In a city. Proximate to very high-poverty census tracts.

Proximate to very high poverty census tracts, none of which are IB for SH.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

smart and loves learning, yet will be completely intellectually hobbled by being in the top quarter of his science class. does not compute.

You’re kidding yourself if you think the same amount of science will be taught.

I keep trying to tell you - you have a niche (and unrealistic) frame of reference. If you demand your kid be surrounded by PARCC 5s only you are looking for something unavailable in DC. Please don’t mistake your preferences for an informed judgment about the quality of SH (or the degree to which families there value education or how well the kids will do in HS and college.)

Let me introduce you to Deal.

Deal? The super-overcrowded school with tons of complaints here? And let me ask you for data showing that the outcomes are any different for high SES kids with parents who are college educated.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

And to be clear, I really like a lot of things about SH and I am very happy for the people who make it work. But it’s important to us that our child have a rigorous education starting in middle school. If SH had advanced science and social studies, we would go there in a heartbeat.

what MS has advanced science and social studies? I have no issue with people’s choices but I think people who demand that kids be surrounded only by other “advanced learners” in every single class realize that they’re demanding an environment that’s really catering to a specific desire, likely not realistic for most schools. have some self-awareness and realize you’re in a very niche group and that says more about you than the actual merits of SH for most of us. My kid has some specific needs and I don’t bash schools in general based on the fact that they won’t be a good fit for him. You can’t on the one hand moan about SH not being a neighborhood school and then have an extemely narrow definition of what that means.

Many suburban counties begin tracking in middle school. Some in elementary school, although I think that’s ridiculous.

Expecting a class full of on-grade level kids is hardly being in a “niche” group on the hill.

You live on the Hill. In a city. Proximate to very high-poverty census tracts.

Proximate to very high poverty census tracts, none of which are IB for SH.

Look around ... maybe not by census tract but by block. And unlike you I also consider the OOB kids as part of the story. (Given that many IB parents refuse to send their kids there.) Overall the Hill is not a homogeneous place.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

And to be clear, I really like a lot of things about SH and I am very happy for the people who make it work. But it’s important to us that our child have a rigorous education starting in middle school. If SH had advanced science and social studies, we would go there in a heartbeat.

what MS has advanced science and social studies? I have no issue with people’s choices but I think people who demand that kids be surrounded only by other “advanced learners” in every single class realize that they’re demanding an environment that’s really catering to a specific desire, likely not realistic for most schools. have some self-awareness and realize you’re in a very niche group and that says more about you than the actual merits of SH for most of us. My kid has some specific needs and I don’t bash schools in general based on the fact that they won’t be a good fit for him. You can’t on the one hand moan about SH not being a neighborhood school and then have an extemely narrow definition of what that means.

Many suburban counties begin tracking in middle school. Some in elementary school, although I think that’s ridiculous.

Expecting a class full of on-grade level kids is hardly being in a “niche” group on the hill.

You live on the Hill. In a city. Proximate to very high-poverty census tracts.

Proximate to very high poverty census tracts, none of which are IB for SH.

Look around ... maybe not by census tract but by block. And unlike you I also consider the OOB kids as part of the story. (Given that many IB parents refuse to send their kids there.) Overall the Hill is not a homogeneous place.

Overall, yes it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

And to be clear, I really like a lot of things about SH and I am very happy for the people who make it work. But it’s important to us that our child have a rigorous education starting in middle school. If SH had advanced science and social studies, we would go there in a heartbeat.

what MS has advanced science and social studies? I have no issue with people’s choices but I think people who demand that kids be surrounded only by other “advanced learners” in every single class realize that they’re demanding an environment that’s really catering to a specific desire, likely not realistic for most schools. have some self-awareness and realize you’re in a very niche group and that says more about you than the actual merits of SH for most of us. My kid has some specific needs and I don’t bash schools in general based on the fact that they won’t be a good fit for him. You can’t on the one hand moan about SH not being a neighborhood school and then have an extemely narrow definition of what that means.

Many suburban counties begin tracking in middle school. Some in elementary school, although I think that’s ridiculous.

Expecting a class full of on-grade level kids is hardly being in a “niche” group on the hill.

You live on the Hill. In a city. Proximate to very high-poverty census tracts.

Proximate to very high poverty census tracts, none of which are IB for SH.

Look around ... maybe not by census tract but by block. And unlike you I also consider the OOB kids as part of the story. (Given that many IB parents refuse to send their kids there.) Overall the Hill is not a homogeneous place.

Overall, yes it is.

It’s actually not, but I’m not surprised you think it is. Anyway, I’m not trying to argue SH can’t improve; just that so many parents act unbelievably entitled especially when all it would take to make SH an IB school is to ... send your kids there.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

And to be clear, I really like a lot of things about SH and I am very happy for the people who make it work. But it’s important to us that our child have a rigorous education starting in middle school. If SH had advanced science and social studies, we would go there in a heartbeat.

what MS has advanced science and social studies? I have no issue with people’s choices but I think people who demand that kids be surrounded only by other “advanced learners” in every single class realize that they’re demanding an environment that’s really catering to a specific desire, likely not realistic for most schools. have some self-awareness and realize you’re in a very niche group and that says more about you than the actual merits of SH for most of us. My kid has some specific needs and I don’t bash schools in general based on the fact that they won’t be a good fit for him. You can’t on the one hand moan about SH not being a neighborhood school and then have an extemely narrow definition of what that means.

Many suburban counties begin tracking in middle school. Some in elementary school, although I think that’s ridiculous.

Expecting a class full of on-grade level kids is hardly being in a “niche” group on the hill.

You live on the Hill. In a city. Proximate to very high-poverty census tracts.

Proximate to very high poverty census tracts, none of which are IB for SH.

Look around ... maybe not by census tract but by block. And unlike you I also consider the OOB kids as part of the story. (Given that many IB parents refuse to send their kids there.) Overall the Hill is not a homogeneous place.

Overall, yes it is.

It’s actually not, but I’m not surprised you think it is. Anyway, I’m not trying to argue SH can’t improve; just that so many parents act unbelievably entitled especially when all it would take to make SH an IB school is to ... send your kids there. [/quote

This is actually not true, and the reason for this is feeder rights. If IB parents suddenly started using SH in large numbers, you would just end up with a massively over-enrolled school, because JO and Watkins are heavily OOB.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

And to be clear, I really like a lot of things about SH and I am very happy for the people who make it work. But it’s important to us that our child have a rigorous education starting in middle school. If SH had advanced science and social studies, we would go there in a heartbeat.

what MS has advanced science and social studies? I have no issue with people’s choices but I think people who demand that kids be surrounded only by other “advanced learners” in every single class realize that they’re demanding an environment that’s really catering to a specific desire, likely not realistic for most schools. have some self-awareness and realize you’re in a very niche group and that says more about you than the actual merits of SH for most of us. My kid has some specific needs and I don’t bash schools in general based on the fact that they won’t be a good fit for him. You can’t on the one hand moan about SH not being a neighborhood school and then have an extemely narrow definition of what that means.

Many suburban counties begin tracking in middle school. Some in elementary school, although I think that’s ridiculous.

Expecting a class full of on-grade level kids is hardly being in a “niche” group on the hill.

You live on the Hill. In a city. Proximate to very high-poverty census tracts.

Proximate to very high poverty census tracts, none of which are IB for SH.

Look around ... maybe not by census tract but by block. And unlike you I also consider the OOB kids as part of the story. (Given that many IB parents refuse to send their kids there.) Overall the Hill is not a homogeneous place.

Overall, yes it is.

It’s actually not, but I’m not surprised you think it is. Anyway, I’m not trying to argue SH can’t improve; just that so many parents act unbelievably entitled especially when all it would take to make SH an IB school is to ... send your kids there.

This is spoken like someone who has never been to the hill neighborhood, let alone lived in it.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

And to be clear, I really like a lot of things about SH and I am very happy for the people who make it work. But it’s important to us that our child have a rigorous education starting in middle school. If SH had advanced science and social studies, we would go there in a heartbeat.

what MS has advanced science and social studies? I have no issue with people’s choices but I think people who demand that kids be surrounded only by other “advanced learners” in every single class realize that they’re demanding an environment that’s really catering to a specific desire, likely not realistic for most schools. have some self-awareness and realize you’re in a very niche group and that says more about you than the actual merits of SH for most of us. My kid has some specific needs and I don’t bash schools in general based on the fact that they won’t be a good fit for him. You can’t on the one hand moan about SH not being a neighborhood school and then have an extemely narrow definition of what that means.

Many suburban counties begin tracking in middle school. Some in elementary school, although I think that’s ridiculous.

Expecting a class full of on-grade level kids is hardly being in a “niche” group on the hill.

You live on the Hill. In a city. Proximate to very high-poverty census tracts.

Proximate to very high poverty census tracts, none of which are IB for SH.

Look around ... maybe not by census tract but by block. And unlike you I also consider the OOB kids as part of the story. (Given that many IB parents refuse to send their kids there.) Overall the Hill is not a homogeneous place.

Overall, yes it is.

It’s actually not, but I’m not surprised you think it is. Anyway, I’m not trying to argue SH can’t improve; just that so many parents act unbelievably entitled especially when all it would take to make SH an IB school is to ... send your kids there.

This is spoken like someone who has never been to the hill neighborhood, let alone lived in it.

This spoken like someone who has never been east of 8th st.

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No, that’s not all it would take. DCPS and SH have a good many other issues. Look at the trailer village at Deal if you doubt this. Planning isn’t the system’s strong suit.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

And to be clear, I really like a lot of things about SH and I am very happy for the people who make it work. But it’s important to us that our child have a rigorous education starting in middle school. If SH had advanced science and social studies, we would go there in a heartbeat.

what MS has advanced science and social studies? I have no issue with people’s choices but I think people who demand that kids be surrounded only by other “advanced learners” in every single class realize that they’re demanding an environment that’s really catering to a specific desire, likely not realistic for most schools. have some self-awareness and realize you’re in a very niche group and that says more about you than the actual merits of SH for most of us. My kid has some specific needs and I don’t bash schools in general based on the fact that they won’t be a good fit for him. You can’t on the one hand moan about SH not being a neighborhood school and then have an extemely narrow definition of what that means.

Many suburban counties begin tracking in middle school. Some in elementary school, although I think that’s ridiculous.

Expecting a class full of on-grade level kids is hardly being in a “niche” group on the hill.

You live on the Hill. In a city. Proximate to very high-poverty census tracts.

Proximate to very high poverty census tracts, none of which are IB for SH.

Look around ... maybe not by census tract but by block. And unlike you I also consider the OOB kids as part of the story. (Given that many IB parents refuse to send their kids there.) Overall the Hill is not a homogeneous place.

Overall, yes it is.

It’s actually not, but I’m not surprised you think it is. Anyway, I’m not trying to argue SH can’t improve; just that so many parents act unbelievably entitled especially when all it would take to make SH an IB school is to ... send your kids there.

This is spoken like someone who has never been to the hill neighborhood, let alone lived in it.

This spoken like someone who has never been east of 8th st.

Is this a joke? If you think east of 8th isn't mostly gentrified now, then I would suggest that you're the one who hasn't been on the Hill in awhile. Within the SH IB, it's actually the northern most parts of the JOW zone (west of 8th FWIW) that are generally the least gentrified. There actually isn't any generally non-gentrified part of the L-T zone, which extends to 12th. There are parts of the SE corner of Watkins that are mixed, but small parts.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

And to be clear, I really like a lot of things about SH and I am very happy for the people who make it work. But it’s important to us that our child have a rigorous education starting in middle school. If SH had advanced science and social studies, we would go there in a heartbeat.

what MS has advanced science and social studies? I have no issue with people’s choices but I think people who demand that kids be surrounded only by other “advanced learners” in every single class realize that they’re demanding an environment that’s really catering to a specific desire, likely not realistic for most schools. have some self-awareness and realize you’re in a very niche group and that says more about you than the actual merits of SH for most of us. My kid has some specific needs and I don’t bash schools in general based on the fact that they won’t be a good fit for him. You can’t on the one hand moan about SH not being a neighborhood school and then have an extemely narrow definition of what that means.

Many suburban counties begin tracking in middle school. Some in elementary school, although I think that’s ridiculous.

Expecting a class full of on-grade level kids is hardly being in a “niche” group on the hill.

You live on the Hill. In a city. Proximate to very high-poverty census tracts.

Proximate to very high poverty census tracts, none of which are IB for SH.

Look around ... maybe not by census tract but by block. And unlike you I also consider the OOB kids as part of the story. (Given that many IB parents refuse to send their kids there.) Overall the Hill is not a homogeneous place.

Overall, yes it is.

It’s actually not, but I’m not surprised you think it is. Anyway, I’m not trying to argue SH can’t improve; just that so many parents act unbelievably entitled especially when all it would take to make SH an IB school is to ... send your kids there.

This is spoken like someone who has never been to the hill neighborhood, let alone lived in it.

This spoken like someone who has never been east of 8th st.

Is this a joke? If you think east of 8th isn't mostly gentrified now, then I would suggest that you're the one who hasn't been on the Hill in awhile. Within the SH IB, it's actually the northern most parts of the JOW zone (west of 8th FWIW) that are generally the least gentrified. There actually isn't any generally non-gentrified part of the L-T zone, which extends to 12th. There are parts of the SE corner of Watkins that are mixed, but small parts.

I'm talking about the Hill/Ward 6 in general.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you never tire of your race baiting? Parents who want neighborhood schools in a city that kept neighborhood schools aren’t the enemy. If SH was at least 2/3 IB and 2/3 Black I highly doubt that anybody on this thread would be complaining.

that makes no sense. how does lotterying in to a charter on the other side of town show that what parents want is an IB school? parents that value neighborhood schools will send their kids to SH.

I would love to send my kid to SH. But as long as the city is going to stick kids several grade levels behind in the same classroom with advanced learners, I’m not going to do it.

is your kid that delicate? I’m pretty surprised at that viewpoint among parents who likely otherwise are not extreme helicopters.

Nope. But my kid is smart and loves learning and I want him to be challenged.

And to be clear, I really like a lot of things about SH and I am very happy for the people who make it work. But it’s important to us that our child have a rigorous education starting in middle school. If SH had advanced science and social studies, we would go there in a heartbeat.

what MS has advanced science and social studies? I have no issue with people’s choices but I think people who demand that kids be surrounded only by other “advanced learners” in every single class realize that they’re demanding an environment that’s really catering to a specific desire, likely not realistic for most schools. have some self-awareness and realize you’re in a very niche group and that says more about you than the actual merits of SH for most of us. My kid has some specific needs and I don’t bash schools in general based on the fact that they won’t be a good fit for him. You can’t on the one hand moan about SH not being a neighborhood school and then have an extemely narrow definition of what that means.

Many suburban counties begin tracking in middle school. Some in elementary school, although I think that’s ridiculous.

Expecting a class full of on-grade level kids is hardly being in a “niche” group on the hill.

You live on the Hill. In a city. Proximate to very high-poverty census tracts.

Proximate to very high poverty census tracts, none of which are IB for SH.

Look around ... maybe not by census tract but by block. And unlike you I also consider the OOB kids as part of the story. (Given that many IB parents refuse to send their kids there.) Overall the Hill is not a homogeneous place.

Overall, yes it is.

It’s actually not, but I’m not surprised you think it is. Anyway, I’m not trying to argue SH can’t improve; just that so many parents act unbelievably entitled especially when all it would take to make SH an IB school is to ... send your kids there.

This is spoken like someone who has never been to the hill neighborhood, let alone lived in it.

This spoken like someone who has never been east of 8th st.

Is this a joke? If you think east of 8th isn't mostly gentrified now, then I would suggest that you're the one who hasn't been on the Hill in awhile. Within the SH IB, it's actually the northern most parts of the JOW zone (west of 8th FWIW) that are generally the least gentrified. There actually isn't any generally non-gentrified part of the L-T zone, which extends to 12th. There are parts of the SE corner of Watkins that are mixed, but small parts.

I'm talking about the Hill/Ward 6 in general.

The Hill and Ward 6 are two totally different things. Chinatown is in W6, for example.

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Chinatown is in Ward 2 — not Ward 6.

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Anonymous wrote:Chinatown is in Ward 2 — not Ward 6.

Sorry, you’re right, I have a friend who lives just north of there and didn’t realize that little area was cleaved out. The point remains, but with the area around the Shaw metro and all of SW as better examples.

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Anonymous wrote:Chinatown is in Ward 2 — not Ward 6.

Sorry, you’re right, I have a friend who lives just north of there and didn’t realize that little area was cleaved out. The point remains, but with the area around the Shaw metro and all of SW as better examples.

Ok well getting back to my actual point - nobody should move to the middle of a high-poverty city with high-poverty blocks in the same Ward and close by, and expect that their kid is going to go to some all-UMC neighborhood school. It's just not realistic. That's not how cities work. That's not to say we shouldn't expect better for the schools, but that you should be realistic.