Concurrent learning is stupid

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Anonymous wrote:Please explain what concurrent learning is?

Some kids stay home and log in. Some kids come to the classroom and log in . We teach both groups at the exact same time.

Fixed it for you (in bold), which is what makes it stupid.

And how do you suggest we make concurrent better. I'm not talking about in person instruction. I'm not talking about hybrid. I'm talking about concurrent. How would you improve it?

For A HS junior in APs, I’m hoping lectures to both groups, then asynchronous for home kids for the rest of the period and working with the in person kids leading a discussion, science lab, foreign language conversation, checking in 1:1, etc.

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This is why you don’t ask parents who don’t teach how to improve what they don’t know. We cannot give at home kids asynchronous stuff to only focus on the in person kids.

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It’s incredibly frustrating that we have to choose now, before all teachers get vaccinated, our preference for hybrid or in-person. This means that when all teachers are vaccinated, we will still be stuck in distance learning even after it is much safer to go.

Im choosing hybrid but I am so annoyed that I feel like I’m making a choice that might be bad for my child’s teachers, because they have been amazing and just deserve better than all the stuff they have had to deal with. I wish I could ask them their preference.

We chose DL in the fall when vaccines weren't even in the mix because we didn't trust the plan and DL is working fine for our family. If all teachers were vaxxed, air filters were in each room, and they sorted out the lunch issue we would be willing to do hybrid. The school systems have to snap the line somewhere on having families make a decision but a decision made in October has no relevance to the world in mid-March or April at this point.

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For A HS junior in APs, I’m hoping lectures to both groups, then asynchronous for home kids for the rest of the period and working with the in person kids leading a discussion, science lab, foreign language conversation, checking in 1:1, etc.

That's a big nonstarter. All the kids are in the same class, they all need the same time, attention and lessons. That's what is going to make concurrent suck for the in-person students, teachers have to offer the same thing to all the kids in the class.

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For A HS junior in APs, I’m hoping lectures to both groups, then asynchronous for home kids for the rest of the period and working with the in person kids leading a discussion, science lab, foreign language conversation, checking in 1:1, etc.

That's a big nonstarter. All the kids are in the same class, they all need the same time, attention and lessons. That's what is going to make concurrent suck for the in-person students, teachers have to offer the same thing to all the kids in the class.

Principals have a lot of autonomy and can give that to teachers, can allow teachers to teach hybrid how they choose. If they do that.

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For A HS junior in APs, I’m hoping lectures to both groups, then asynchronous for home kids for the rest of the period and working with the in person kids leading a discussion, science lab, foreign language conversation, checking in 1:1, etc.

That's a big nonstarter. All the kids are in the same class, they all need the same time, attention and lessons. That's what is going to make concurrent suck for the in-person students, teachers have to offer the same thing to all the kids in the class.

Principals have a lot of autonomy and can give that to teachers, can allow teachers to teach hybrid how they choose. If they do that.

Well here’s what this teacher can tell you: I will not punish the students at home with asynchronous work while giving a vastly superior education to my in person students. Everything we do has to be able to be done by BOTH groups, first of all because that’s the right thing to do and second of all because most of my students remained online.

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For A HS junior in APs, I’m hoping lectures to both groups, then asynchronous for home kids for the rest of the period and working with the in person kids leading a discussion, science lab, foreign language conversation, checking in 1:1, etc.

That's a big nonstarter. All the kids are in the same class, they all need the same time, attention and lessons. That's what is going to make concurrent suck for the in-person students, teachers have to offer the same thing to all the kids in the class.

Principals have a lot of autonomy and can give that to teachers, can allow teachers to teach hybrid how they choose. If they do that.

Well here’s what this teacher can tell you: I will not punish the students at home with asynchronous work while giving a vastly superior education to my in person students. Everything we do has to be able to be done by BOTH groups, first of all because that’s the right thing to do and second of all because most of my students remained online.

For a class that's 50-50, the in-person students would alternate. For a class that's mostly DL, it would be different.

This is where individual teachers and classes would look different. Just as they always have.

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They will not look different in the sense kids at home get all independent work while the in person kids get the actual teaching . So just get that idea out of your head.

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Anonymous wrote:They will not look different in the sense kids at home get all independent work while the in person kids get the actual teaching . So just get that idea out of your head.

That's an idea from a teacher, FYI.

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Anonymous wrote:Concurrent has been working in numerous jurisdictions and private schools - it works well.

Which jurisdictions and private schools?

It doesn’t work “well.” The teachers are ragged. They forget the online kids. They spend a lot of time reminding in person kids about masks and distance and handling bathroom requests and whatnot which disrupts instruction for the online kids. They have to finagle ways to try to make in person resemble in person without compromising mitigation. I am a teacher and I know many in multiple states. This is exhausting. We will do it but please don’t be fooled because it happens it happened “well.”

I am a teacher that has been doing concurrent since Fall in Arlington. I take great offense to this and it is not true. The first few weeks were tough but kids are so adaptable and shockingly enough they wear their masks, wash their hands, and follow the rules because it it the routine.

The online kids are just as good. They ask permission to leave the screen for the bathroom, they do not eat during class and they act as if they are in the classroom. My public school teacher friends are not even afforded that respect. Perhaps you naysayers are right - concurrent will not work for public school kids because the strict parenting is not there. In the first few weeks we had some slight issues with kids and would reach out to the parents - the kids came in the next day and lo and behold the mask stayed on without any problems.

As a teacher, we can do it and any teacher that says they cannot it just being negative or they are lazy. Kids can most certainly do and EXCEL. It amazes me all the negativity on here.

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Anonymous wrote:Concurrent has been working in numerous jurisdictions and private schools - it works well.

Which jurisdictions and private schools?

It doesn’t work “well.” The teachers are ragged. They forget the online kids. They spend a lot of time reminding in person kids about masks and distance and handling bathroom requests and whatnot which disrupts instruction for the online kids. They have to finagle ways to try to make in person resemble in person without compromising mitigation. I am a teacher and I know many in multiple states. This is exhausting. We will do it but please don’t be fooled because it happens it happened “well.”

Have you experience already doing it or are you guessing about this? Concurrent is working fine at my child’s private school. I fully support teachers, but the claim that concurrent is an awful idea is just not true. Kids in the classroom are socializing and happy to be back.

I'm the teacher who wrote the question. I currently teach concurrent, and I wouldn't say it's working fine. We've put in an incredible amount of effort to make it not that much worse than virtual was, and maybe for the less than half the kids who chose hybrid, the benefits of socializing at lunch, and childcare make up for the instructional loss. In the classroom there's significantly less socializing than there was when we were all virtual.

I assume that the parents who send their kids for the hybrid think it's working fine, or they wouldn't send their kids. I have a much clearer picture of their academics though, and the level of socialization in the classroom, and I wouldn't say it's fine.

And we are in a much better place technology wise, and ratio wise than the public schools. None of my teacher friends in public districts doing concurrent describe it as close to virtual in quality, except for the kids who live in households where adults aren't parenting.

I have been teaching concurrent since the fall in the Arlington diocese. More than half our kids are in person, with 30% choosing online because a parent or family member has a health condition. This has not been my experience. We have the kids socialize and talk, from a distance. The online kids are included in this through large monitors that are in the classroom (public schools might not have the ability). There is tremendously more socialization now because we can do activities as a group. It is far more interactive. The kids in classroom are doing better academically then my virtual kids for the most part, so I have to make sure my virtual kids are getting it and ask more questions. We are assessing them currently with standardized testing. We will know more if there is an education gap between the two groups or if we have fallen nationwide.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Concurrent has been working in numerous jurisdictions and private schools - it works well.

Which jurisdictions and private schools?

It doesn’t work “well.” The teachers are ragged. They forget the online kids. They spend a lot of time reminding in person kids about masks and distance and handling bathroom requests and whatnot which disrupts instruction for the online kids. They have to finagle ways to try to make in person resemble in person without compromising mitigation. I am a teacher and I know many in multiple states. This is exhausting. We will do it but please don’t be fooled because it happens it happened “well.”

I am a teacher that has been doing concurrent since Fall in Arlington. I take great offense to this and it is not true. The first few weeks were tough but kids are so adaptable and shockingly enough they wear their masks, wash their hands, and follow the rules because it it the routine.

The online kids are just as good. They ask permission to leave the screen for the bathroom, they do not eat during class and they act as if they are in the classroom. My public school teacher friends are not even afforded that respect. Perhaps you naysayers are right - concurrent will not work for public school kids because the strict parenting is not there. In the first few weeks we had some slight issues with kids and would reach out to the parents - the kids came in the next day and lo and behold the mask stayed on without any problems.

As a teacher, we can do it and any teacher that says they cannot it just being negative or they are lazy. Kids can most certainly do and EXCEL. It amazes me all the negativity on here.

It’s not negativity. It literally a difference in circumstances. You teach private. I teach in a title I school and half of my students have IEPs. We are truly worlds apart. I am glad it’s working for you but our circumstances and student needs are vastly different .

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Anonymous wrote:They will not look different in the sense kids at home get all independent work while the in person kids get the actual teaching . So just get that idea out of your head.

That's an idea from a teacher, FYI.

Then I’m sorry for your students because that’s a rotten thing to do to the at home kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Concurrent has been working in numerous jurisdictions and private schools - it works well.

Which jurisdictions and private schools?

It doesn’t work “well.” The teachers are ragged. They forget the online kids. They spend a lot of time reminding in person kids about masks and distance and handling bathroom requests and whatnot which disrupts instruction for the online kids. They have to finagle ways to try to make in person resemble in person without compromising mitigation. I am a teacher and I know many in multiple states. This is exhausting. We will do it but please don’t be fooled because it happens it happened “well.”

I am a teacher that has been doing concurrent since Fall in Arlington. I take great offense to this and it is not true. The first few weeks were tough but kids are so adaptable and shockingly enough they wear their masks, wash their hands, and follow the rules because it it the routine.

The online kids are just as good. They ask permission to leave the screen for the bathroom, they do not eat during class and they act as if they are in the classroom. My public school teacher friends are not even afforded that respect. Perhaps you naysayers are right - concurrent will not work for public school kids because the strict parenting is not there. In the first few weeks we had some slight issues with kids and would reach out to the parents - the kids came in the next day and lo and behold the mask stayed on without any problems.

As a teacher, we can do it and any teacher that says they cannot it just being negative or they are lazy. Kids can most certainly do and EXCEL. It amazes me all the negativity on here.

It’s not negativity. It literally a difference in circumstances. You teach private. I teach in a title I school and half of my students have IEPs. We are truly worlds apart. I am glad it’s working for you but our circumstances and student needs are vastly different .

Look at the thread title. There's a lot of plain old negativity.

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Anonymous wrote:We are tied to it because these are little kids having to make a zillion adjustments already and I don’t want them to have to make more. To me, a teacher makes or breaks the school year.

I recognize that to say it’s less than ideal is an understatement, but when we have to choose between several bad options, I think concurrent is better than changing around schools and teachers. Although the best option is to open schools completely sooner rather than later.

But the teacher might be at home and your kid will be in a class monitored by one of those hall monitors.