Anyone else turning down in person?

[Anonymous]

We turned down a spot for our 2nd Grader. I might have considered if it had been for both kids or just my 4th grader- he has been more impacted from a mental health perspective. But our younger child is pretty happy/successful with the arrangement at home, the logistics of having two kids in different scenarios seemed overwhelming, the virus is spreading so quickly right now, and we are fortunate enough to have the flexibility to continue at home learning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 2 kids in ES, we aren't accepting even if we were offered. I think a lot of this decision depends on the adults and how they have handled the situation at home, zoom calls, play dates, mask wearing, social distancing, visiting relatives interstate, traveling, skiing etc. We've supported our kids and kept them informed. They like being at home. They like being together. Do they miss school and their friends? For sure. Are they learning, yes. Is DL perfect? Far from it. We'll wait for the surge and numbers to go down to what they were like in the fall.

This is a sensible approach

So wealthy people who travel out of state (despite public health guidelines) and have pricey hobbies like skiing are also better equipped to manage DL. Who knew? Lots of people are "supporting their kids," but they are having trouble with managing working and DL. Some have to work in person. Some can WFH, but aren't super-flexible and trying to aork and manage DL is a strain. Kids also have different reactions to DL -- for some, it's great and they love it and are learning. Others have a much harder time learning through a screen. So many of you are basically congratulating yourselves for being wealthy and having a SAHP or flexible jobs, like you care more about public health than other people do (despite all the travel you do for your mental health). I mean, I'm happy you're keeping your kid home, since it means it's safer for the teachers and kids who do go back. But can you stop with the patting yourselves on the back about your decision?

OMG seriously. +1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 2 kids in ES, we aren't accepting even if we were offered. I think a lot of this decision depends on the adults and how they have handled the situation at home, zoom calls, play dates, mask wearing, social distancing, visiting relatives interstate, traveling, skiing etc. We've supported our kids and kept them informed. They like being at home. They like being together. Do they miss school and their friends? For sure. Are they learning, yes. Is DL perfect? Far from it. We'll wait for the surge and numbers to go down to what they were like in the fall.

This is a sensible approach

So wealthy people who travel out of state (despite public health guidelines) and have pricey hobbies like skiing are also better equipped to manage DL. Who knew? Lots of people are "supporting their kids," but they are having trouble with managing working and DL. Some have to work in person. Some can WFH, but aren't super-flexible and trying to aork and manage DL is a strain. Kids also have different reactions to DL -- for some, it's great and they love it and are learning. Others have a much harder time learning through a screen. So many of you are basically congratulating yourselves for being wealthy and having a SAHP or flexible jobs, like you care more about public health than other people do (despite all the travel you do for your mental health). I mean, I'm happy you're keeping your kid home, since it means it's safer for the teachers and kids who do go back. But can you stop with the patting yourselves on the back about your decision?

I understand your sentiments but that is the purpose of this particular thread. It’s for people who turned down in-person.

Also should mention that outside of your bubble (for example awards 7 & 8) the vast majority of parents are turning down in-person too, and is has nothing to do with them being wealthy.

No, it has to be with them being uninformed, with zero public outreach plan or attempt to bring people better information, and no attempt to build trust within those communities, not even a basic ad campaign for the vaccine or anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 2 kids in ES, we aren't accepting even if we were offered. I think a lot of this decision depends on the adults and how they have handled the situation at home, zoom calls, play dates, mask wearing, social distancing, visiting relatives interstate, traveling, skiing etc. We've supported our kids and kept them informed. They like being at home. They like being together. Do they miss school and their friends? For sure. Are they learning, yes. Is DL perfect? Far from it. We'll wait for the surge and numbers to go down to what they were like in the fall.

This is a sensible approach

So wealthy people who travel out of state (despite public health guidelines) and have pricey hobbies like skiing are also better equipped to manage DL. Who knew? Lots of people are "supporting their kids," but they are having trouble with managing working and DL. Some have to work in person. Some can WFH, but aren't super-flexible and trying to aork and manage DL is a strain. Kids also have different reactions to DL -- for some, it's great and they love it and are learning. Others have a much harder time learning through a screen. So many of you are basically congratulating yourselves for being wealthy and having a SAHP or flexible jobs, like you care more about public health than other people do (despite all the travel you do for your mental health). I mean, I'm happy you're keeping your kid home, since it means it's safer for the teachers and kids who do go back. But can you stop with the patting yourselves on the back about your decision?

I understand your sentiments but that is the purpose of this particular thread. It’s for people who turned down in-person.

Also should mention that outside of your bubble (for example awards 7 & 8) the vast majority of parents are turning down in-person too, and is has nothing to do with them being wealthy.

No, it has to be with them being uninformed, with zero public outreach plan or attempt to bring people better information, and no attempt to build trust within those communities, not even a basic ad campaign for the vaccine or anything.

Ouch. What an elitist comment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 2 kids in ES, we aren't accepting even if we were offered. I think a lot of this decision depends on the adults and how they have handled the situation at home, zoom calls, play dates, mask wearing, social distancing, visiting relatives interstate, traveling, skiing etc. We've supported our kids and kept them informed. They like being at home. They like being together. Do they miss school and their friends? For sure. Are they learning, yes. Is DL perfect? Far from it. We'll wait for the surge and numbers to go down to what they were like in the fall.

This is a sensible approach

So wealthy people who travel out of state (despite public health guidelines) and have pricey hobbies like skiing are also better equipped to manage DL. Who knew? Lots of people are "supporting their kids," but they are having trouble with managing working and DL. Some have to work in person. Some can WFH, but aren't super-flexible and trying to aork and manage DL is a strain. Kids also have different reactions to DL -- for some, it's great and they love it and are learning. Others have a much harder time learning through a screen. So many of you are basically congratulating yourselves for being wealthy and having a SAHP or flexible jobs, like you care more about public health than other people do (despite all the travel you do for your mental health). I mean, I'm happy you're keeping your kid home, since it means it's safer for the teachers and kids who do go back. But can you stop with the patting yourselves on the back about your decision?

I understand your sentiments but that is the purpose of this particular thread. It’s for people who turned down in-person.

Also should mention that outside of your bubble (for example awards 7 & 8) the vast majority of parents are turning down in-person too, and is has nothing to do with them being wealthy.

No, it has to be with them being uninformed, with zero public outreach plan or attempt to bring people better information, and no attempt to build trust within those communities, not even a basic ad campaign for the vaccine or anything.

Ouch. What an elitist comment.

NP. Sometimes the truth hurts.

[Anonymous]

We turned it down for our 1st and 4th graders. Even though DL classes will be unbearably large, the DL teachers for both grades are the better teachers at our school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a disaster for DL for us. Tearing marriage apart with stress. We can’t do it. But I’d still turn it down.

Spare us the drama. What is the point of this thread? To guilt parents who take spots into facing up to the reality that they're horrible parents?

We gladly took a spot, like a fellow parent who's a well-respected pediatrician in our neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 2 kids in ES, we aren't accepting even if we were offered. I think a lot of this decision depends on the adults and how they have handled the situation at home, zoom calls, play dates, mask wearing, social distancing, visiting relatives interstate, traveling, skiing etc. We've supported our kids and kept them informed. They like being at home. They like being together. Do they miss school and their friends? For sure. Are they learning, yes. Is DL perfect? Far from it. We'll wait for the surge and numbers to go down to what they were like in the fall.

This is a sensible approach

So wealthy people who travel out of state (despite public health guidelines) and have pricey hobbies like skiing are also better equipped to manage DL. Who knew? Lots of people are "supporting their kids," but they are having trouble with managing working and DL. Some have to work in person. Some can WFH, but aren't super-flexible and trying to aork and manage DL is a strain. Kids also have different reactions to DL -- for some, it's great and they love it and are learning. Others have a much harder time learning through a screen. So many of you are basically congratulating yourselves for being wealthy and having a SAHP or flexible jobs, like you care more about public health than other people do (despite all the travel you do for your mental health). I mean, I'm happy you're keeping your kid home, since it means it's safer for the teachers and kids who do go back. But can you stop with the patting yourselves on the back about your decision?

I understand your sentiments but that is the purpose of this particular thread. It’s for people who turned down in-person.

Also should mention that outside of your bubble (for example awards 7 & 8) the vast majority of parents are turning down in-person too, and is has nothing to do with them being wealthy.

No, it has to be with them being uninformed, with zero public outreach plan or attempt to bring people better information, and no attempt to build trust within those communities, not even a basic ad campaign for the vaccine or anything.

Ouch. What an elitist comment.

NP. Sometimes the truth hurts.

It’s not elitist, when you have a history of mistrust you have to work harder. This is basic public health 101 here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:in our Ward 4 school, demand was almost nil. Like 10 students for a 500-student elementary school.

Not sure I believe this. If this is really the case then I would suspect that there has not been support for reopening starting at the top. Has your principal signaled that it would be a bad experience? I feel like our principal did this when CARES classrooms were shaping up. He’d send these messages to make it sound as unappealing as possible. It was almost comical it was so easy to see what he was at. I have a dear friend who has been behaving like this too. She is very determined that they will not go back inperson and each time I suggest that I would consider it she tries to overwhelm me with resources and numbers while insinuating that parents who want their kids to go back are irresponsible/lazy/selfish. I really think it’s her sense of FOMO talking. For me, it’s about the teacher. My child’s teacher will be teaching inperson and I love her so we may take a spot.

[Anonymous]

It’s clear to me that there are parents who have decided their kids are staying virtual no matter what but don’t want to think their kids are missing out so they are doing all they can to dissuade parents are are considering it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s clear to me that there are parents who have decided their kids are staying virtual no matter what but don’t want to think their kids are missing out so they are doing all they can to dissuade parents are are considering it.

And doing so by suggesting or implying, or outright stating, that parents who send their kids back don't care about public health or teachers, or are selfish, or just can't stand to be with their kids or think school is just child care, or whatever. It's gross. DL isn't working well for everyone. Even people who can manage it logistically may be stressed and stretched. Even kids who are doing okay may be having problems or struggles that are worsening as this stretches out, or experiencing substantially suboptimal learning. People may genuinely believe that their school is capable of safely managing the necessary protocols and procedures to make the classroom reasonably safe. People who are very, very, very careful in other aspects of their lives with respect to risk, and who avoid risky, frivolous or unnecessary activities, may believe this is a tradeoff worth making. You can decide to keep your kid at home without denigrating those who decide to accept a spot in the classroom.

And the people talking about how they are okay with DL because their kids are fine in their pods with their tutors, or because their kids don't need the socialization because they manage their mental health with ski trips and AirBnBs, are just showing their asses. Being well-off doesn't mean that you're more selfless or care more about public health than someone who doesn't have the money to hire a teacher or the space to host a pod, or who has to work in person, or whatever.

[Anonymous]

People who make snarky comments about families in Ward 7 and 8 - this is what you don't get. If the kid gets sick, the the parent gets sick this family might be destitute. Some of us don't get paid leave or have short term disability. If we plan to be at work (in person or not) and then have to rearrange because school closed that day for whatever reason our jobs consider us unreliable and problem employees.

Keeping our kids in our "bubble" with our rotation of childcare providers is safer for us.

[Anonymous]

at my title I school - Ward 1 - a family spent two weeks in LA and posted tons of maskless photos on social.

they fought and fought to put their kid in a CARES classroom - i know them, they don't parent their child which is why he's a handful. they have had IP tutors in their home; traveled on planes, etc.

at the same time we have a child who is doing DL in his mother's car while she is at work. was she denied a CARES room to make space for the rich kid (those parents whine a lot to the school)?

I won't choose IPL for my kid, but its needed for a kid like this. But then we need to kick out the riches who don't practice good behavior out of school -

[Anonymous]

If you are going back in person what is the schools protocol to tell you if someone is positive. Just read two cares outbreaks took 10 and 11 days to notify families!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 2 kids in ES, we aren't accepting even if we were offered. I think a lot of this decision depends on the adults and how they have handled the situation at home, zoom calls, play dates, mask wearing, social distancing, visiting relatives interstate, traveling, skiing etc. We've supported our kids and kept them informed. They like being at home. They like being together. Do they miss school and their friends? For sure. Are they learning, yes. Is DL perfect? Far from it. We'll wait for the surge and numbers to go down to what they were like in the fall.

This is a sensible approach

So wealthy people who travel out of state (despite public health guidelines) and have pricey hobbies like skiing are also better equipped to manage DL. Who knew? Lots of people are "supporting their kids," but they are having trouble with managing working and DL. Some have to work in person. Some can WFH, but aren't super-flexible and trying to aork and manage DL is a strain. Kids also have different reactions to DL -- for some, it's great and they love it and are learning. Others have a much harder time learning through a screen. So many of you are basically congratulating yourselves for being wealthy and having a SAHP or flexible jobs, like you care more about public health than other people do (despite all the travel you do for your mental health). I mean, I'm happy you're keeping your kid home, since it means it's safer for the teachers and kids who do go back. But can you stop with the patting yourselves on the back about your decision?

OMG seriously. +1

Hey guess what. We are doing Airbnbs and skiing and all sorts of stuff where we can drive to our destination and continue to isolate. The kids’ standardized test scores are better than they have ever been and they are telling us that this has been their best school year ever. And we are doing all of this for Jess than we spent for a really crappy aftercare program. Get creative people.