Will the Mayor allow schools to open inside restaurants and gyms?

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Anonymous wrote:Kids eat two meals a day unmasked in my classroom and hang out there for seven hours at a time. Remind me how that’s less risky than “indoor dining”? It’s the same thing, except restaurants are much cleaner.

It's less risky because it's the same small cohort. Not a roving set of potentially hundreds of different adult patrons every week. And you can also strictly reduce the time unmasked.

Assuming parents aren't rushing to Ohio and Wisconsin over the holiday and coming back with infected kids.

Ok, and assuming teachers and staff aren't either? Some of the research I've seen suggests that most school/daycare staff infections are due to the ADULTS getting it in the community and then not observing proper masking and social distancing at work.

This. If the teachers their jobs thoughtfully, this COVID transmission would be a rare and minor issue in classrooms. They're the threat, not the students.

That is a ridiculous assertion. Unless you're testing everyone regularly and you prove that students aren't asymptomatically spreading it to teachers, you have no idea who "the threat" is. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is why I hope schools stay shuttered all year. No matter what teachers do, you think you have the right to accuse them of somehow sabotaging your children. If they go back to work, they're "behaving recklessly and spreading the virus to children". If they do virtual learning, they are lazy and they hate children. Enjoy being with your own children and stop trying to cast blame on teachers for your personal problems.

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definitely not THIS. it's an absurdly harmful and untenable approach that schools must be shut down until we have some kind of 100% proof of lack of transmission. That's an impossible standard that will result in kids never going back to school.

My point is that parents refuse to take any personal responsibility for their children potentially infecting others, consent to or advocate for pool testing, or show a slight modicum of respect or appreciation for what teachers do (either online or in person-apparently either way you are destroying children's lives). Then, they expect us to continually apologize for the pandemic as if it was our doing. Stop.

Huh? What a bizarre, inaccurate view of the world? When have patents done any of this?!

Literally earlier in this thread and many others? Like this: "This. If the teachers their jobs thoughtfully, this COVID transmission would be a rare and minor issue in classrooms. They're the threat, not the students." or "Some of the research I've seen suggests that most school/daycare staff infections are due to the ADULTS getting it in the community and then not observing proper masking and social distancing at work." The new line is that all school outbreaks are due to adults not following safety precautions. Ludicrous.

That's not the "new line" -- that's an actual observation from actual public health experts.

Oh really? Show us that data please.

look it up yourself- it’s in the CHOP white papers. I’m tired of posting facts you guys just ignore in favor of hyperbole.

So you have no data or facts, you’re just spouting off more teacher bashing and blame passing. Got it, we definitely take you and your “science” seriously.

"oh ho ho! the above poster didn't directly link me to a document which I could Google in literally less than 30 seconds! and if I don't take the time to look for or read it, I can claim it isn't real! i subscribe to the 'ostrich head in the sand' philosophy of argumentation! if I don't see it, then it isn't real! as a side note, this makes it very difficult to believe in the germ theory of disease."

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Anonymous wrote:Kids eat two meals a day unmasked in my classroom and hang out there for seven hours at a time. Remind me how that’s less risky than “indoor dining”? It’s the same thing, except restaurants are much cleaner.

It's less risky because it's the same small cohort. Not a roving set of potentially hundreds of different adult patrons every week. And you can also strictly reduce the time unmasked.

Assuming parents aren't rushing to Ohio and Wisconsin over the holiday and coming back with infected kids.

Ok, and assuming teachers and staff aren't either? Some of the research I've seen suggests that most school/daycare staff infections are due to the ADULTS getting it in the community and then not observing proper masking and social distancing at work.

This. If the teachers their jobs thoughtfully, this COVID transmission would be a rare and minor issue in classrooms. They're the threat, not the students.

That is a ridiculous assertion. Unless you're testing everyone regularly and you prove that students aren't asymptomatically spreading it to teachers, you have no idea who "the threat" is. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is why I hope schools stay shuttered all year. No matter what teachers do, you think you have the right to accuse them of somehow sabotaging your children. If they go back to work, they're "behaving recklessly and spreading the virus to children". If they do virtual learning, they are lazy and they hate children. Enjoy being with your own children and stop trying to cast blame on teachers for your personal problems.

^^This

definitely not THIS. it's an absurdly harmful and untenable approach that schools must be shut down until we have some kind of 100% proof of lack of transmission. That's an impossible standard that will result in kids never going back to school.

My point is that parents refuse to take any personal responsibility for their children potentially infecting others, consent to or advocate for pool testing, or show a slight modicum of respect or appreciation for what teachers do (either online or in person-apparently either way you are destroying children's lives). Then, they expect us to continually apologize for the pandemic as if it was our doing. Stop.

Huh? What a bizarre, inaccurate view of the world? When have patents done any of this?!

Literally earlier in this thread and many others? Like this: "This. If the teachers their jobs thoughtfully, this COVID transmission would be a rare and minor issue in classrooms. They're the threat, not the students." or "Some of the research I've seen suggests that most school/daycare staff infections are due to the ADULTS getting it in the community and then not observing proper masking and social distancing at work." The new line is that all school outbreaks are due to adults not following safety precautions. Ludicrous.

That's not the "new line" -- that's an actual observation from actual public health experts.

Oh really? Show us that data please.

look it up yourself- it’s in the CHOP white papers. I’m tired of posting facts you guys just ignore in favor of hyperbole.

So you have no data or facts, you’re just spouting off more teacher bashing and blame passing. Got it, we definitely take you and your “science” seriously.

"oh ho ho! the above poster didn't directly link me to a document which I could Google in literally less than 30 seconds! and if I don't take the time to look for or read it, I can claim it isn't real! i subscribe to the 'ostrich head in the sand' philosophy of argumentation! if I don't see it, then it isn't real! as a side note, this makes it very difficult to believe in the germ theory of disease."

It's nobody else's job to research your baseless claims. That's not how making an argument works. YOU put it out there and now you're acting so put out about it. I can see through that.
LOL about comparing it to germ theory.