Will the Mayor allow schools to open inside restaurants and gyms?

[Anonymous]

I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its the same three women having the same conversation on every thread. So tired.

You do get a restaurant a) has a smaller space and serves smaller amounts of people and b) people don't spend 8 hours in a restaurant.

But hey keep whining because you have to spend time with your kids. We are going on a hike.

Wrong. Because of turnover, restaurants serve several times the number of people. A restaurant that can say seat 15 people at any one time may serve 100 people over the day, with NO MASKS. Whereas the plan to return to school was limited to ELEVEN kids in a cohort that doesn't change. If you can't see the difference between 100 different people every day, with no masks, day in and day out, and a stable cohort of 11 masked kids ... maybe you shouldn't even be giving your opinion. Because you are dumb.

Masks help and it depends on the quality of the mask but they are not a fix or cure. Its ultimately not going to stop covid from spreading in the schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its the same three women having the same conversation on every thread. So tired.

You do get a restaurant a) has a smaller space and serves smaller amounts of people and b) people don't spend 8 hours in a restaurant.

But hey keep whining because you have to spend time with your kids. We are going on a hike.

Wrong. Because of turnover, restaurants serve several times the number of people. A restaurant that can say seat 15 people at any one time may serve 100 people over the day, with NO MASKS. Whereas the plan to return to school was limited to ELEVEN kids in a cohort that doesn't change. If you can't see the difference between 100 different people every day, with no masks, day in and day out, and a stable cohort of 11 masked kids ... maybe you shouldn't even be giving your opinion. Because you are dumb.

Except it doesn't work that way.

The longer that people are in the same enclosed space -- even with masks -- the more likely there will transmission. This can be mitigated with open windows or significant ventilation.

Working in a restaurant or bar is high risk. For patrons, it is less risky, largely because they aren't in the environment as long.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90569949/watch-how-coronavirus-spreads-indoors-in-a-room-a-bar-and-a-classroom

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its the same three women having the same conversation on every thread. So tired.

You do get a restaurant a) has a smaller space and serves smaller amounts of people and b) people don't spend 8 hours in a restaurant.

But hey keep whining because you have to spend time with your kids. We are going on a hike.

Wrong. Because of turnover, restaurants serve several times the number of people. A restaurant that can say seat 15 people at any one time may serve 100 people over the day, with NO MASKS. Whereas the plan to return to school was limited to ELEVEN kids in a cohort that doesn't change. If you can't see the difference between 100 different people every day, with no masks, day in and day out, and a stable cohort of 11 masked kids ... maybe you shouldn't even be giving your opinion. Because you are dumb.

Except it doesn't work that way.

The longer that people are in the same enclosed space -- even with masks -- the more likely there will transmission. This can be mitigated with open windows or significant ventilation.

Working in a restaurant or bar is high risk. For patrons, it is less risky, largely because they aren't in the environment as long.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90569949/watch-how-coronavirus-spreads-indoors-in-a-room-a-bar-and-a-classroom

A graphic created by a Spanish newspaper? Come on. What we actually know (including from Spain) is that schools are not big spreaders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

I have my own job. I told my kid he didn't need to sit in front of the screen, so he spends most of the DL "learning" time running around the living room and jumping on the couch. I'm a-ok with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

I have my own job. I told my kid he didn't need to sit in front of the screen, so he spends most of the DL "learning" time running around the living room and jumping on the couch. I'm a-ok with that.

Then what is your job as a parent? My goodness.

I think its fine if your kid doesn't want to or can't pay attention to DL. I do the same with my child esp in the afternoon.

And where is this evidence that kids have the same ailments as office drones?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

Hmm. So an adult NEEDS a gym to get exercise, and it's unfair to close gyms (for public safety), but if a child needs school for physical and mental health, tough? How about all the full grown adults currently filling gyms and bars and restaurants take up running, stock a home bar, and learn to cook?

[Anonymous]

Um, no. Schools have no right to infiltrate private businesses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

I have my own job. I told my kid he didn't need to sit in front of the screen, so he spends most of the DL "learning" time running around the living room and jumping on the couch. I'm a-ok with that.

So, you are one of those parents who really doesn't parent. You need to stop complaining then. Take your kid for a walk and learn to parent. You cannot complain DL is the problem when you are the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

Hmm. So an adult NEEDS a gym to get exercise, and it's unfair to close gyms (for public safety), but if a child needs school for physical and mental health, tough? How about all the full grown adults currently filling gyms and bars and restaurants take up running, stock a home bar, and learn to cook?

If you have a child who needs school for physical and mental health that is YOUR problem. Adults without children owe your children nothing and should not be forced to share in the burden of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

Hmm. So an adult NEEDS a gym to get exercise, and it's unfair to close gyms (for public safety), but if a child needs school for physical and mental health, tough? How about all the full grown adults currently filling gyms and bars and restaurants take up running, stock a home bar, and learn to cook?

Or you could just take up teaching and learn how to provide your children with whatever it is they need to fulfill their mental and physical health?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

Hmm. So an adult NEEDS a gym to get exercise, and it's unfair to close gyms (for public safety), but if a child needs school for physical and mental health, tough? How about all the full grown adults currently filling gyms and bars and restaurants take up running, stock a home bar, and learn to cook?

If you have a child who needs school for physical and mental health that is YOUR problem. Adults without children owe your children nothing and should not be forced to share in the burden of them.

So 99% of people with children should not be parents because most parents rely on schools to ensure their kids mental and physical health. Very, very few parents would choose to homeschool.

Anyway, good luck having a functioning society where only parents who are willing to homeschool, or who can afford private school, have kids. It'll be a fun few years before the whole system collapses. Have fun!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

Hmm. So an adult NEEDS a gym to get exercise, and it's unfair to close gyms (for public safety), but if a child needs school for physical and mental health, tough? How about all the full grown adults currently filling gyms and bars and restaurants take up running, stock a home bar, and learn to cook?

If you have a child who needs school for physical and mental health that is YOUR problem. Adults without children owe your children nothing and should not be forced to share in the burden of them.

So 99% of people with children should not be parents because most parents rely on schools to ensure their kids mental and physical health. Very, very few parents would choose to homeschool.

Anyway, good luck having a functioning society where only parents who are willing to homeschool, or who can afford private school, have kids. It'll be a fun few years before the whole system collapses. Have fun!

We have public DL, which works well especially with involved parents (and you have good teachers). We've always supplemented so transitioning to DL wasn't a big deal.