If you can get re-infected with CV19 because there’s no immunity after, why will a vaccine work?

[Anonymous]

I think we don't know the long term efficacy of the vaccine because the test subjects were injected not that long ago, right? In any case it looks like the data supports the notion that the vaccine gives almost all people immunity for at least a reasonable length of time. In that time infection rates will be driven down. Maybe you'll need another vaccine next fall. Maybe you won't. A vaccine is one very important tool. It's not a silver bullet. Eventually once infection rates are low enough covid will sort of fade into the background. People still get whooping cough and measles but we don't freak out about it. We get vaccinated if we are eligible and get on with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think we don't know the long term efficacy of the vaccine because the test subjects were injected not that long ago, right? In any case it looks like the data supports the notion that the vaccine gives almost all people immunity for at least a reasonable length of time. In that time infection rates will be driven down. Maybe you'll need another vaccine next fall. Maybe you won't. A vaccine is one very important tool. It's not a silver bullet. Eventually once infection rates are low enough covid will sort of fade into the background. People still get whooping cough and measles but we don't freak out about it. We get vaccinated if we are eligible and get on with it.

We do freak out when there's measles outbreaks due to antivaxxers.

[Anonymous]

I was on an all hands meeting at NIAID where you could submit questions ahead of time and then Dr Fauchi answered them on the call and he was asked about this question. They are hoping that the vaccine will prevent it for a few years but they won’t know that for sure until it plays out over time. If it doesn’t offer protection for years you will need to get a yearly booster like you get with the flu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was on an all hands meeting at NIAID where you could submit questions ahead of time and then Dr Fauchi answered them on the call and he was asked about this question. They are hoping that the vaccine will prevent it for a few years but they won’t know that for sure until it plays out over time. If it doesn’t offer protection for years you will need to get a yearly booster like you get with the flu.

And why is that a big deal? Who cares if we need an annual shot?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was on an all hands meeting at NIAID where you could submit questions ahead of time and then Dr Fauchi answered them on the call and he was asked about this question. They are hoping that the vaccine will prevent it for a few years but they won’t know that for sure until it plays out over time. If it doesn’t offer protection for years you will need to get a yearly booster like you get with the flu.

And why is that a big deal? Who cares if we need an annual shot?

I don’t think it is a big deal. The question was dealing with how long the vaccine would be good for and answer was basically worst case scenario you get a yearly booster.

[Anonymous]

Myths:
1. Long haulers
2. Covid does anything more to your heart than the flu.
3. Wear a mask when you’re running.

You’re welcome.


1) cite?
2) cite?
3) cite?


Please and thank you.


1. Common sense.
2. Common sense.
3. Common sense.

You’re welcome again. No further responses other than go back to your bunker.

Sorry , I'll take science over common sense.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/09/03/what-covid-19-is-doing-to-the-heart-even-after-recovery

[Anonymous]

I think part of the conventional wisdom regarding "you can get re-infected" (and yes there have been a very small number of documented cases) is so that people who think they had it already aren't running around like everything is normal.

My entire family had it - I am 99.9% sure of this even though we didn't get positive tests because they weren't available in late March to us. However, we were around people who did get positive Covid tests, we all had symptoms, and we all tested positive for antibodies ~2 months later.

However, we don't run around without masks and have large gatherings just because we know we are almost certainly still immune. You just never know. Maybe, despite all these factors, we didn't have it. Maybe one of us is that rare person who mounted antibodies but yet didn't get long-term T-cell immunity from it. So until more is known, it is safer to assume that you can get reinfected.

There was just a study out that indicated immunity should last years if not decades. So I think more will be known soon. My suspicion is that immunity will be quite long-lasting, either from having the disease or the vaccine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Myths:
1. Long haulers
2. Covid does anything more to your heart than the flu.
3. Wear a mask when you’re running.

You’re welcome.


1) cite?
2) cite?
3) cite?


Please and thank you.


1. Common sense.
2. Common sense.
3. Common sense.

You’re welcome again. No further responses other than go back to your bunker.

Sorry , I'll take science over common sense.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/09/03/what-covid-19-is-doing-to-the-heart-even-after-recovery

Funny how we’re not seeing anyone from the MLB, NBA, or NFL or pro soccer league leagues not returning after they’ve had covid. You would think leagues would be cancelling their seasons with all of these studies showing permanent heart damage. And spare me your one example of the Red Sox pitcher, who probably had the heart damage before he even got covid.

[Anonymous]

And also spare me your examples of obese college “athletes.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And also spare me your examples of obese college “athletes.”

If you don’t think Jamain Stephens was worth noting, how about Chad Dorrill? He was white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Myths:
1. Long haulers
2. Covid does anything more to your heart than the flu.
3. Wear a mask when you’re running.

You’re welcome.


1) cite?
2) cite?
3) cite?


Please and thank you.


1. Common sense.
2. Common sense.
3. Common sense.

You’re welcome again. No further responses other than go back to your bunker.

Sorry , I'll take science over common sense.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/09/03/what-covid-19-is-doing-to-the-heart-even-after-recovery

Funny how we’re not seeing anyone from the MLB, NBA, or NFL or pro soccer league leagues not returning after they’ve had covid. You would think leagues would be cancelling their seasons with all of these studies showing permanent heart damage. And spare me your one example of the Red Sox pitcher, who probably had the heart damage before he even got covid.

That article is about an MLB pitcher who had to sit out the season because of myocarditis caused by COVID. Do you read?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Myths:
1. Long haulers
2. Covid does anything more to your heart than the flu.
3. Wear a mask when you’re running.

You’re welcome.


1) cite?
2) cite?
3) cite?


Please and thank you.


1. Common sense.
2. Common sense.
3. Common sense.

You’re welcome again. No further responses other than go back to your bunker.

Sorry , I'll take science over common sense.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/09/03/what-covid-19-is-doing-to-the-heart-even-after-recovery

Funny how we’re not seeing anyone from the MLB, NBA, or NFL or pro soccer league leagues not returning after they’ve had covid. You would think leagues would be cancelling their seasons with all of these studies showing permanent heart damage. And spare me your one example of the Red Sox pitcher, who probably had the heart damage before he even got covid.

I don’t thin PP was suggesting people can experience heart problems after COVID, just saying this is also a risk from other common diseases, like the flu. Some people seem to think COVID is unique in its side effects. I don’t think it’s been here long enough to know for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think we don't know the long term efficacy of the vaccine because the test subjects were injected not that long ago, right? In any case it looks like the data supports the notion that the vaccine gives almost all people immunity for at least a reasonable length of time. In that time infection rates will be driven down. Maybe you'll need another vaccine next fall. Maybe you won't. A vaccine is one very important tool. It's not a silver bullet. Eventually once infection rates are low enough covid will sort of fade into the background. People still get whooping cough and measles but we don't freak out about it. We get vaccinated if we are eligible and get on with it.

Vaccines are the closest thing to a silver bullet that modern medicine has to offer. If we had 100% vaccination rates for whooping cough and measles, they would disappear completely. This already happened with smallpox and almost happened with polio.

Even though the vaccine is new, it probably does give long term immunity because test subjects developed the type of antibodies that stick around for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Myths:
1. Long haulers
2. Covid does anything more to your heart than the flu.
3. Wear a mask when you’re running.

You’re welcome.


1) cite?
2) cite?
3) cite?


Please and thank you.


1. Common sense.
2. Common sense.
3. Common sense.

You’re welcome again. No further responses other than go back to your bunker.

Sorry , I'll take science over common sense.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/09/03/what-covid-19-is-doing-to-the-heart-even-after-recovery

Funny how we’re not seeing anyone from the MLB, NBA, or NFL or pro soccer league leagues not returning after they’ve had covid. You would think leagues would be cancelling their seasons with all of these studies showing permanent heart damage. And spare me your one example of the Red Sox pitcher, who probably had the heart damage before he even got covid.

That article is about an MLB pitcher who had to sit out the season because of myocarditis caused by COVID. Do you read?

Pulling up an example or 2 doesn’t prove anything. Everyone has an anecdote. Why aren’t sports leagues collapsing? That pitcher’s case was incredibly rare.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2020/11/01/new-research-at-mgh-reveals-rarity-of-red-sox-lhp-eduardo-rodriguezs-covid-19-complications/amp/.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Myths:
1. Long haulers
2. Covid does anything more to your heart than the flu.
3. Wear a mask when you’re running.

You’re welcome.


1) cite?
2) cite?
3) cite?


Please and thank you.


1. Common sense.
2. Common sense.
3. Common sense.

You’re welcome again. No further responses other than go back to your bunker.

Sorry , I'll take science over common sense.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/09/03/what-covid-19-is-doing-to-the-heart-even-after-recovery

Funny how we’re not seeing anyone from the MLB, NBA, or NFL or pro soccer league leagues not returning after they’ve had covid. You would think leagues would be cancelling their seasons with all of these studies showing permanent heart damage. And spare me your one example of the Red Sox pitcher, who probably had the heart damage before he even got covid.

I don’t thin PP was suggesting people can experience heart problems after COVID, just saying this is also a risk from other common diseases, like the flu. Some people seem to think COVID is unique in its side effects. I don’t think it’s been here long enough to know for sure.

DP. COVID is not truly unique, because it creates side effects that are sometimes also seen with flus. But such side effects are extremely rare with most flus. We haven't seen anything like COVID since the 1917 Spanish Flu.

In my experience, people who cite "common sense" usually lack it. It's right up there with with "trust me," and "a prominent radiologist said," as bogus answers.