Organizing to lobby DC to allow larger class sizes under Phase 2/3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks - these are the guidelines today. Based on the information (misinformation?) provided by the CDC at the time.

There is new information about COVID published from real researched studies (not Trump medicine) that:
1. Spread from asymptomatic individuals is minimal
2. Spread from touching stuff is minimal

So this is new information this week - think about what this means.

In my mind the 2 most important elements are:
1. check everyone daily before entering the building.
2. Wear masks to limit spread from airborne transmission

of course lots of handwashing.

I expect the numbers will change for how many children can be in a room safely given precautions and this will align with new guidance received from the CDC.

#1 and #2 are false. There is no new study and both claims were back tracked. They just said they believe majority was transmitted by airborne droplets, but without much more contact tracing there is no certainty.

There is sufficient evidence that surfaces are less important than previously thought and that child transmission and risk is relatively low to shape public policy, in part, around those facts. If it were about kids, kids would be back in school. It’s clearly about teachers and, while teachers are important, I just don’t understand why public policy is being shaped around prioritizing their interests over Chikdrens’ interest when they are doing a paid, voluntary job. No one said doctors, nurses, policemen,, mailmen, delivery workers, firemen, EMS, grocery store workers, garbage man, metro employees, bus drivers, etc didn’t have to deliver the service for which they are paid.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks - these are the guidelines today. Based on the information (misinformation?) provided by the CDC at the time.

There is new information about COVID published from real researched studies (not Trump medicine) that:
1. Spread from asymptomatic individuals is minimal
2. Spread from touching stuff is minimal

So this is new information this week - think about what this means.

In my mind the 2 most important elements are:
1. check everyone daily before entering the building.
2. Wear masks to limit spread from airborne transmission

of course lots of handwashing.

I expect the numbers will change for how many children can be in a room safely given precautions and this will align with new guidance received from the CDC.

#1 and #2 are false. There is no new study and both claims were back tracked. They just said they believe majority was transmitted by airborne droplets, but without much more contact tracing there is no certainty.

There is sufficient evidence that surfaces are less important than previously thought and that child transmission and risk is relatively low to shape public policy, in part, around those facts. If it were about kids, kids would be back in school. It’s clearly about teachers and, while teachers are important, I just don’t understand why public policy is being shaped around prioritizing their interests over Chikdrens’ interest when they are doing a paid, voluntary job. No one said doctors, nurses, policemen,, mailmen, delivery workers, firemen, EMS, grocery store workers, garbage man, metro employees, bus drivers, etc didn’t have to deliver the service for which they are paid.

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Oh STFU. Those jobs MUST be in person. The ones that aren't are all online. And yes distance learning doesn't work for everyone but at the time it's what we had to do. You don't care about kids, you're just mad at your assumptions about the decision as to why DL was put in place.
I'm sorry you guys are too stupid to realize if all the teachers quit there won't be replacements so soon. You know we already have a teacher shortage right?

I wish it could only be hybrid for parents like this. The rest of the students whose parent's hearts aren't trash can return to full time, I'll glad teach them in person everyday since I am not at risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You CAN get it from surfaces, it just may only survive hours instead of days. Hand sanitizer still a good idea, folks!

Students in school are all together for “hours” so obviously surface transmission is likely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks - these are the guidelines today. Based on the information (misinformation?) provided by the CDC at the time.

There is new information about COVID published from real researched studies (not Trump medicine) that:
1. Spread from asymptomatic individuals is minimal
2. Spread from touching stuff is minimal

So this is new information this week - think about what this means.

In my mind the 2 most important elements are:
1. check everyone daily before entering the building.
2. Wear masks to limit spread from airborne transmission

of course lots of handwashing.

I expect the numbers will change for how many children can be in a room safely given precautions and this will align with new guidance received from the CDC.

#1 and #2 are false. There is no new study and both claims were back tracked. They just said they believe majority was transmitted by airborne droplets, but without much more contact tracing there is no certainty.

There is sufficient evidence that surfaces are less important than previously thought and that child transmission and risk is relatively low to shape public policy, in part, around those facts. If it were about kids, kids would be back in school. It’s clearly about teachers and, while teachers are important, I just don’t understand why public policy is being shaped around prioritizing their interests over Chikdrens’ interest when they are doing a paid, voluntary job. No one said doctors, nurses, policemen,, mailmen, delivery workers, firemen, EMS, grocery store workers, garbage man, metro employees, bus drivers, etc didn’t have to deliver the service for which they are paid.

+1

Oh STFU. Those jobs MUST be in person. The ones that aren't are all online. And yes distance learning doesn't work for everyone but at the time it's what we had to do. You don't care about kids, you're just mad at your assumptions about the decision as to why DL was put in place.
I'm sorry you guys are too stupid to realize if all the teachers quit there won't be replacements so soon. You know we already have a teacher shortage right?

I wish it could only be hybrid for parents like this. The rest of the students whose parent's hearts aren't trash can return to full time, I'll glad teach them in person everyday since I am not at risk.

My kid is in K. Tell me again how teaching doesn’t have to be in person. Incorrect. A fireman could give me instructions for putting out a fire over the phone, but way more houses would burn down so we tell firefighters they have to work in person. Distance teaching for K I’d approximately as effective. I’m not faulting the decision to go to DL initially. Now that we are opening many things way less important than schools back up and science shows schools down increase transmission all that much, reopening should be a no brainer. I’m happy to call teachers’ bluffs on mass quittimg, but I actually think hybrid learning is likely to result in an equal number of quitting teachers since they still get the exposure but don’t get dependable childcare either.

[Anonymous]

Tell me again why those jobs must be in person, but not teachers? We could have all auto checkouts, but way more stuff would get stolen, so stores wouldn’t go for it. We could have DL firefighting and EMS and police where they talk you through issues and how to make a report. We could go entirely telehealth and people requiring hands on care would be out of luck. We don’t do these things because the jobs would be performed nowhere near as effectively and we actually care. We should care that DL doesn’t work at the primary school level. I’d guess percentage wise it is no less effective that distance only fire, grocery stores and health services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks - these are the guidelines today. Based on the information (misinformation?) provided by the CDC at the time.

There is new information about COVID published from real researched studies (not Trump medicine) that:
1. Spread from asymptomatic individuals is minimal
2. Spread from touching stuff is minimal

So this is new information this week - think about what this means.

In my mind the 2 most important elements are:
1. check everyone daily before entering the building.
2. Wear masks to limit spread from airborne transmission

of course lots of handwashing.

I expect the numbers will change for how many children can be in a room safely given precautions and this will align with new guidance received from the CDC.

#1 and #2 are false. There is no new study and both claims were back tracked. They just said they believe majority was transmitted by airborne droplets, but without much more contact tracing there is no certainty.

There is sufficient evidence that surfaces are less important than previously thought and that child transmission and risk is relatively low to shape public policy, in part, around those facts. If it were about kids, kids would be back in school. It’s clearly about teachers and, while teachers are important, I just don’t understand why public policy is being shaped around prioritizing their interests over Chikdrens’ interest when they are doing a paid, voluntary job. No one said doctors, nurses, policemen,, mailmen, delivery workers, firemen, EMS, grocery store workers, garbage man, metro employees, bus drivers, etc didn’t have to deliver the service for which they are paid.

+1

Oh STFU. Those jobs MUST be in person. The ones that aren't are all online. And yes distance learning doesn't work for everyone but at the time it's what we had to do. You don't care about kids, you're just mad at your assumptions about the decision as to why DL was put in place.
I'm sorry you guys are too stupid to realize if all the teachers quit there won't be replacements so soon. You know we already have a teacher shortage right?

I wish it could only be hybrid for parents like this. The rest of the students whose parent's hearts aren't trash can return to full time, I'll glad teach them in person everyday since I am not at risk.

DP. You seem angry and vicious, and you are reading a lot into what the PP said. Who is talking about not caring if all teachers quit, or thinking that it wouldn't be problem? How can you claim he/she doesn't care about kids, just because you feel they are attacking teachers unfairly?

It is not false to assert that

a) the continued (not the initial) school shutdown will be to protect the teachers and other staff (as well as potentially the students' family members) at the expense of the kids
b) DL is not remotely equivalent to school (no pun intended), and therefore you cannot claim that a teacher's job can really be done online
b) school should be considered essential, similar to other essential functions of society.

I bet a LOT of parents feel that way, and you think their hearts are "trash" and they all deserve the hybrid model? You sound like gem of a person. I get that everybody is stressed out in this situation, but flying off the handle like that doesn't advance the conversation in a productive way.

[Anonymous]

Hate to break it to you but Fairfax has announced the same plans as DCPS for the fall. In fact one of the options is ONE day a week in school. They will announce June 26 what their final decision for the fall is. I guess so terrible teachers unions are at it again in Virginia!!

[Anonymous]

I can't see Fairfax, Arlington, MoCo and DC doing their own thing, not in this thoroughly integrated Metro area. Most DCPS teachers don't live in the District. Probably one or two days a week of in-person learning al around to meet public health department and CDC requirements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't see Fairfax, Arlington, MoCo and DC doing their own thing, not in this thoroughly integrated Metro area. Most DCPS teachers don't live in the District. Probably one or two days a week of in-person learning al around to meet public health department and CDC requirements.

DLing is unquestionably the worst for poor students and DCPS has an incredibly high percentage of those compared to the burbs. Getting elementary school students back full time in DC should be an absolute priority.

[Anonymous]

Maybe the best way to do it is to open the schools in wards 7 and 8 and redeploy all teachers to those schools to bring the ratios within the cdc guidelines. Then have the remainder of the Wards do distance learning with older/ pre existing condition teachers. That way we can take care of the “poor” kids and leave the higher ses kids to do DL since it doesn’t make as much of an impact on them.

[Anonymous]

My kids charters will both be online this fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the best way to do it is to open the schools in wards 7 and 8 and redeploy all teachers to those schools to bring the ratios within the cdc guidelines. Then have the remainder of the Wards do distance learning with older/ pre existing condition teachers. That way we can take care of the “poor” kids and leave the higher ses kids to do DL since it doesn’t make as much of an impact on them.

There are plenty of at risk kids in other wards. Ward 6, e.g., had multiple Title I schools and several others that have recently transitioned.

[Anonymous]

DC has clearly stated that they are looking at a hybrid model for next year. We don't know the details yet, but I think they have been absolutely clear that they are going to be getting at least some students back into schools as much as possible AND that one of the possible options is NOT school as normal. I believe that they have been clear that all DCPS students are likely to have a schedule that includes at least some distance learning during the school year (with the possible exception of students with certain special needs, which they haven't yet addressed). We, as parents, can expect that our children are not going to be in in-person school every day. I am also struggling with what to do about childcare, but I don't see any need to deny that this is happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the best way to do it is to open the schools in wards 7 and 8 and redeploy all teachers to those schools to bring the ratios within the cdc guidelines. Then have the remainder of the Wards do distance learning with older/ pre existing condition teachers. That way we can take care of the “poor” kids and leave the higher ses kids to do DL since it doesn’t make as much of an impact on them.

There are plenty of at risk kids in other wards. Ward 6, e.g., had multiple Title I schools and several others that have recently transitioned.

Then have those kids come to wear the teachers are. Everyone else does distance learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks - these are the guidelines today. Based on the information (misinformation?) provided by the CDC at the time.

There is new information about COVID published from real researched studies (not Trump medicine) that:
1. Spread from asymptomatic individuals is minimal
2. Spread from touching stuff is minimal

So this is new information this week - think about what this means.

In my mind the 2 most important elements are:
1. check everyone daily before entering the building.
2. Wear masks to limit spread from airborne transmission

of course lots of handwashing.

I expect the numbers will change for how many children can be in a room safely given precautions and this will align with new guidance received from the CDC.

#1 and #2 are false. There is no new study and both claims were back tracked. They just said they believe majority was transmitted by airborne droplets, but without much more contact tracing there is no certainty.

There is sufficient evidence that surfaces are less important than previously thought and that child transmission and risk is relatively low to shape public policy, in part, around those facts. If it were about kids, kids would be back in school. It’s clearly about teachers and, while teachers are important, I just don’t understand why public policy is being shaped around prioritizing their interests over Chikdrens’ interest when they are doing a paid, voluntary job. No one said doctors, nurses, policemen,, mailmen, delivery workers, firemen, EMS, grocery store workers, garbage man, metro employees, bus drivers, etc didn’t have to deliver the service for which they are paid.

+1

Oh STFU. Those jobs MUST be in person. The ones that aren't are all online. And yes distance learning doesn't work for everyone but at the time it's what we had to do. You don't care about kids, you're just mad at your assumptions about the decision as to why DL was put in place.
I'm sorry you guys are too stupid to realize if all the teachers quit there won't be replacements so soon. You know we already have a teacher shortage right?

I wish it could only be hybrid for parents like this. The rest of the students whose parent's hearts aren't trash can return to full time, I'll glad teach them in person everyday since I am not at risk.

DP. You seem angry and vicious, and you are reading a lot into what the PP said. Who is talking about not caring if all teachers quit, or thinking that it wouldn't be problem? How can you claim he/she doesn't care about kids, just because you feel they are attacking teachers unfairly?

It is not false to assert that

a) the continued (not the initial) school shutdown will be to protect the teachers and other staff (as well as potentially the students' family members) at the expense of the kids
b) DL is not remotely equivalent to school (no pun intended), and therefore you cannot claim that a teacher's job can really be done online
b) school should be considered essential, similar to other essential functions of society.

I bet a LOT of parents feel that way, and you think their hearts are "trash" and they all deserve the hybrid model? You sound like gem of a person. I get that everybody is stressed out in this situation, but flying off the handle like that doesn't advance the conversation in a productive way.

Yes, if you keep blaming teachers your heart is absolute trash.

There is already teaching online way before this virus lmao, even for kids with special needs. Don't get mad at teachers for DCPS' lack of funds and efforts!