Fairfax County police officer charged after assault yesterday

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about having the equivalent of orderlies from mental hospitals? There are people trained to handle (even strong) people who aren't in their right mind? Help him get help without injuring him.

This is what defund police wants. They want cops responding to less calls like this, or a lose dog, or a cat up a tree, or a teenager off his medication and trained individuals handling these things.

What is so radical about that?

Nothing radical about it. I'm sure that was the sweet ol' lady next door having a fit of dementia and was wandering around blathering like that folks would be up in arms if a cop just walked onto the scene and immediately tasered her then proceeded to smack her upside the head with the gun then taser her again.

I don't get why police are fighting it? Do they really want to be responsible for things like that?? If it's the right thing to do to shift away this type of use of police, then I would understand fighting for a fair transition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The guy was on drugs

What's scary is that he was acting exactly like my neighbor's autistic adult son who got out one day when she ill and took some new meds that knocked her out. To you, an outsider, and to the police who came, he was an uncooperative "drug addict" and all of the neighbors trying to tell them otherwise were hindering their investigation.

I honestly thought I was going to watch a man die that day. And yes, he is black.

The son locked himself out because he's not usually allowed outside in the front yard alone. The meds his mom took put her into a deep sleep and she didn't hear the door. He got frightened and started pacing up and down the sidewalk, talking to himself and talking nonsense like this. We think a passerby called the police because everyone in the neighborhood knows him and were trying to contact his mom and calm him down. We'd done a good job of it too until three police cars pulled up and an ambulance. Then it was too much noise, too much shouting from too many different men, and he just completely shutdown. It was terrifying to watch. And the police had ZERO training on how to deal with someone like that. Shouting commands at someone like her son doesn't work. It doesn't work if one person does it or if 6 guys do it. It doesn't work if one guy does it 3 inches from his face or a guy does it holding a taser gun on him. He. Does. Not. Understand. And we couldn't make the oafs understand that he wasn't ignoring them to be difficult or resist, he was autistic and had sensory overload.

I think each police force needs to have a special unit that can get dispatched out to calls like this who are trained to deal with someone who is in an altered mental state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guy was on drugs

What's scary is that he was acting exactly like my neighbor's autistic adult son who got out one day when she ill and took some new meds that knocked her out. To you, an outsider, and to the police who came, he was an uncooperative "drug addict" and all of the neighbors trying to tell them otherwise were hindering their investigation.

I honestly thought I was going to watch a man die that day. And yes, he is black.

The son locked himself out because he's not usually allowed outside in the front yard alone. The meds his mom took put her into a deep sleep and she didn't hear the door. He got frightened and started pacing up and down the sidewalk, talking to himself and talking nonsense like this. We think a passerby called the police because everyone in the neighborhood knows him and were trying to contact his mom and calm him down. We'd done a good job of it too until three police cars pulled up and an ambulance. Then it was too much noise, too much shouting from too many different men, and he just completely shutdown. It was terrifying to watch. And the police had ZERO training on how to deal with someone like that. Shouting commands at someone like her son doesn't work. It doesn't work if one person does it or if 6 guys do it. It doesn't work if one guy does it 3 inches from his face or a guy does it holding a taser gun on him. He. Does. Not. Understand. And we couldn't make the oafs understand that he wasn't ignoring them to be difficult or resist, he was autistic and had sensory overload.

I think each police force needs to have a special unit that can get dispatched out to calls like this who are trained to deal with someone who is in an altered mental state.

Amazing story. I hope people realize defunding the police doesn't mean NO police but allocating LEO funding to the agencies that would be much better equipped to handle a situation like the one you described.

[Anonymous]

Your last paragraph absolutely nails it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guy was on drugs

What's scary is that he was acting exactly like my neighbor's autistic adult son who got out one day when she ill and took some new meds that knocked her out. To you, an outsider, and to the police who came, he was an uncooperative "drug addict" and all of the neighbors trying to tell them otherwise were hindering their investigation.

I honestly thought I was going to watch a man die that day. And yes, he is black.

The son locked himself out because he's not usually allowed outside in the front yard alone. The meds his mom took put her into a deep sleep and she didn't hear the door. He got frightened and started pacing up and down the sidewalk, talking to himself and talking nonsense like this. We think a passerby called the police because everyone in the neighborhood knows him and were trying to contact his mom and calm him down. We'd done a good job of it too until three police cars pulled up and an ambulance. Then it was too much noise, too much shouting from too many different men, and he just completely shutdown. It was terrifying to watch. And the police had ZERO training on how to deal with someone like that. Shouting commands at someone like her son doesn't work. It doesn't work if one person does it or if 6 guys do it. It doesn't work if one guy does it 3 inches from his face or a guy does it holding a taser gun on him. He. Does. Not. Understand. And we couldn't make the oafs understand that he wasn't ignoring them to be difficult or resist, he was autistic and had sensory overload.

I think each police force needs to have a special unit that can get dispatched out to calls like this who are trained to deal with someone who is in an altered mental state.

Amazing story. I hope people realize defunding the police doesn't mean NO police but allocating LEO funding to the agencies that would be much better equipped to handle a situation like the one you described.

Plus eliminating lots of police.

[Anonymous]

I agree with the above, trained mental health professionals and possibly paramedics would respond much better to these types of incidents than your average police people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lessons learned:

In the future, officers will simply allow people in that state to continue wandering around incoherently, and clear the scene after the first response.

Next time they will simply determine he was conscious, breathing, and not currently endangering anyone, and leave.

Then the person will continue doing whatever they are doing, until/if they harm someone, at which point the police will come back and arrest him.

The burden of hands-off policing will be carried by the community in the future. Not cops.

First cop was attempting to be a good guy. He got punished anyway, just for being there. Think he didn’t learn something from that? Think he’ll try reasoning with a member of the public next time in a similar encounter? Nope. He’ll make an evaluation like above - conscious, breathing, not endangering anyone at the moment- and clear the scene, leaving that psychotic person free-range in the community. Let them deal with whatever happens. He’ll come back later to make a report.

So you're saying the police are a protection racket? Better let them tase everyone or else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the above, trained mental health professionals and possibly paramedics would respond much better to these types of incidents than your average police people.

There were paramedics already on the scene. Why didn't they succeed in getting the guy in the van? Once you start crossing the line between paramedic and police force, you are going to actively discourage people from calling paramedics.

[Anonymous]

I think the police see people this out of it all the time. They deal with it constantly. This one just got press. I don’t think tasing was the answer but he was a very strong and out of control guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the above, trained mental health professionals and possibly paramedics would respond much better to these types of incidents than your average police people.

No one is gonna to do anything until police secure the scene idiot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the above, trained mental health professionals and possibly paramedics would respond much better to these types of incidents than your average police people.

No one is gonna to do anything until police secure the scene idiot

Officer Dumbass sure secured the scene alright.
Got himself arrested got his fellow officers put on leave pending investigation and got the county on the middle of a PR nightmare with a massive civil suit likely to come. Way to secure the scene dumbass!

[Anonymous]

Defund the police doesn't mean abolishing the police it means demilitarizing the police.

[Anonymous]

It's not a simple solution to solve a complicated problem but just the opposite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean abolishing the police it means demilitarizing the police.

Then why don't they just say "demilitarize police" instead of having to explain why the words they used don't mean what they mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean abolishing the police it means demilitarizing the police.

Then why don't they just say "demilitarize police" instead of having to explain why the words they used don't mean what they mean?

Pretty much everybody agree with changing the name.