Is GAL just letting anyone in? What ECNL should have done

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Anonymous wrote:If GAL adds one more team to the Mid Atlantic then I give up they lose

How so?

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Anonymous wrote:Multiple and many leagues are fine and it promotes competition and alternatives. However, it would be fun for the kids to have state/regional/national cups and tournaments that cross all leagues, are open to all, and aren’t shunned by certain leagues or organizational bodies. Not everything is about college recruiting. It’s a sport and sometimes having the best play against the best is what it’s all about.

I agree with this. We are an ECNL family and think more teams the better. The dirty secret is you have families whose kid got in ECNL U13 and hated the DA because it meant more kids were developing at a higher level and also competing nationally. Without that you have a fairly small subset of kids who are really being developed and the ones who didn’t make ECNL at U13 sort of fall away and some even quit by U15. In old times many who got U13 opportunity had an in with their team with parents in board etc. That is not good because kids really can develop various ages. Not everyone also has parents who politically savvy in these leagues. Our daughter really came into her speed and confidence later. Having that extra league enabled her in a team u13. I hope the GA works because there are more kids who fit that description and should not be sent packing developmentwise in middle school.

As a parent of a late bloomer, would you recommend for a U13 player to stay on the B team within the ECNL club and hope that there will be tryouts next year and a meaningful opportunity to break into ECNL team, or would you recommend leaving the club for one of GA teams? Without tryouts, our club pretty much left the teams the way they were last year.

I would suggest moving to a GA team. It is very difficult to move up and until more people move their kids, these teams to continue to ignore the second team. There are many terrific GA teams. I know there is a lot said about Metro but that is a team committed to development. Do not turn your nose at that. My kid grew five inches when she was 13 and then needed a year to adjust being lanky. It should be development much longer than some parents would have. Parents need to also stop talking about dilution like their kid is going on World Cup. Do you know how rare this is? It is so much better if more kids have the chance to play in college. So what if it is a small school, playing sports in college keeps you focused on your work and out of trouble with the partying. This is a good thing. It is also a good thing to help your child continue their development and not give up. Just because one coach doesn't see something, another will. I have also realized that coaches want different things and sometimes it goes your way and sometimes it does not. Anyway, I am glad GA is here and hope they continue to thrive and also would be nice for some GA vs ECNL play. Parents also stop with the running down the opposite league, our kids are looking to us as role models. I really find myself exhausted listening to some of this junk and it is junk. Good luck to all and let's hope we actually have some sort of season.

Best post in the thread!! Well said.

Metro United is the best.

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Anonymous wrote:GA will never play ECNL because parents can't bare to lose to a second tier league

#facts

+1

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Anonymous wrote:GA will never play ECNL because parents can't bare to lose to a second tier league

#facts

+1

It also makes it harder to rank the teams. Easier for bad coaches and bad clubs to hide.

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Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are just butt hurt that you didn't get in. If ECNL was the only game in town, it would be cheaper. GA fees will likely be higher than ECNL this year.

Explain how ECNL would be cheaper if it had a monopoly.

Scale. The more teams you have, the more likely it is that your travel radius reduces in conference. There would also be more showcases to choose from, potentially shortening travel as well.
Realize that most of the expense incurred to a family is travel related.

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Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are just butt hurt that you didn't get in. If ECNL was the only game in town, it would be cheaper. GA fees will likely be higher than ECNL this year.

Explain how ECNL would be cheaper if it had a monopoly.

Scale. The more teams you have, the more likely it is that your travel radius reduces in conference. There would also be more showcases to choose from, potentially shortening travel as well.
Realize that most of the expense incurred to a family is travel related.

Except ECNL obviously did not want to do that when they had the chance. But if they did add many clubs the league would likely be tiered anyways so no real net difference.

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Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are just butt hurt that you didn't get in. If ECNL was the only game in town, it would be cheaper. GA fees will likely be higher than ECNL this year.

Explain how ECNL would be cheaper if it had a monopoly.

Scale. The more teams you have, the more likely it is that your travel radius reduces in conference. There would also be more showcases to choose from, potentially shortening travel as well.
Realize that most of the expense incurred to a family is travel related.

There’s reasons why the US laws in place to prevent monopoly.

Imagine how expensive and poor quality you get if there’s only one choice for any good or services without any competition.

Again, please sign up for an Economic 101 course. It would really enlighten you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are just butt hurt that you didn't get in. If ECNL was the only game in town, it would be cheaper. GA fees will likely be higher than ECNL this year.

Explain how ECNL would be cheaper if it had a monopoly.

Scale. The more teams you have, the more likely it is that your travel radius reduces in conference. There would also be more showcases to choose from, potentially shortening travel as well.
Realize that most of the expense incurred to a family is travel related.

There’s reasons why the US laws in place to prevent monopoly.

Imagine how expensive and poor quality you get if there’s only one choice for any good or services without any competition.

Again, please sign up for an Economic 101 course. It would really enlighten you.

Taken plenty of econ thanks. Go back and review the history of ECNL before you post again.

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Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are just butt hurt that you didn't get in. If ECNL was the only game in town, it would be cheaper. GA fees will likely be higher than ECNL this year.

Explain how ECNL would be cheaper if it had a monopoly.

Scale. The more teams you have, the more likely it is that your travel radius reduces in conference. There would also be more showcases to choose from, potentially shortening travel as well.
Realize that most of the expense incurred to a family is travel related.

There’s reasons why the US laws in place to prevent monopoly.

Imagine how expensive and poor quality you get if there’s only one choice for any good or services without any competition.

Again, please sign up for an Economic 101 course. It would really enlighten you.

Taken plenty of econ thanks. Go back and review the history of ECNL before you post again.

What will the history of ECNL teach us about the abuse of a monopoly?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are just butt hurt that you didn't get in. If ECNL was the only game in town, it would be cheaper. GA fees will likely be higher than ECNL this year.

Explain how ECNL would be cheaper if it had a monopoly.

Scale. The more teams you have, the more likely it is that your travel radius reduces in conference. There would also be more showcases to choose from, potentially shortening travel as well.
Realize that most of the expense incurred to a family is travel related.

There’s reasons why the US laws in place to prevent monopoly.

Imagine how expensive and poor quality you get if there’s only one choice for any good or services without any competition.

Again, please sign up for an Economic 101 course. It would really enlighten you.

Taken plenty of econ thanks. Go back and review the history of ECNL before you post again.

I can tell that you didn’t pass any Econ classes. I still don’t understand why anyone wants just one league. Must be based upon the illusion of elitist mentality. Sorry, buddy, but your little Mia is and will not be Mia Hamm.

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Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are just butt hurt that you didn't get in. If ECNL was the only game in town, it would be cheaper. GA fees will likely be higher than ECNL this year.

Explain how ECNL would be cheaper if it had a monopoly.

Scale. The more teams you have, the more likely it is that your travel radius reduces in conference. There would also be more showcases to choose from, potentially shortening travel as well.
Realize that most of the expense incurred to a family is travel related.

There’s reasons why the US laws in place to prevent monopoly.

Imagine how expensive and poor quality you get if there’s only one choice for any good or services without any competition.

Again, please sign up for an Economic 101 course. It would really enlighten you.

Taken plenty of econ thanks. Go back and review the history of ECNL before you post again.

I can tell that you didn’t pass any Econ classes. I still don’t understand why anyone wants just one league. Must be based upon the illusion of elitist mentality. Sorry, buddy, but your little Mia is and will not be Mia Hamm.

One league is fine as long as it is an open system (i.e. any club can join) and has promotion and relegation (so the best teams move up). ECNL and GA are both closed leagues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are just butt hurt that you didn't get in. If ECNL was the only game in town, it would be cheaper. GA fees will likely be higher than ECNL this year.

Explain how ECNL would be cheaper if it had a monopoly.

Scale. The more teams you have, the more likely it is that your travel radius reduces in conference. There would also be more showcases to choose from, potentially shortening travel as well.
Realize that most of the expense incurred to a family is travel related.

There’s reasons why the US laws in place to prevent monopoly.

Imagine how expensive and poor quality you get if there’s only one choice for any good or services without any competition.

Again, please sign up for an Economic 101 course. It would really enlighten you.

Taken plenty of econ thanks. Go back and review the history of ECNL before you post again.

I can tell that you didn’t pass any Econ classes. I still don’t understand why anyone wants just one league. Must be based upon the illusion of elitist mentality. Sorry, buddy, but your little Mia is and will not be Mia Hamm.

One league is fine as long as it is an open system (i.e. any club can join) and has promotion and relegation (so the best teams move up). ECNL and GA are both closed leagues.

How would you manage a league that any club can join and has promotion and relegation? How do you relegate or promote an entire club?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are just butt hurt that you didn't get in. If ECNL was the only game in town, it would be cheaper. GA fees will likely be higher than ECNL this year.

Explain how ECNL would be cheaper if it had a monopoly.

Scale. The more teams you have, the more likely it is that your travel radius reduces in conference. There would also be more showcases to choose from, potentially shortening travel as well.
Realize that most of the expense incurred to a family is travel related.

There’s reasons why the US laws in place to prevent monopoly.

Imagine how expensive and poor quality you get if there’s only one choice for any good or services without any competition.

Again, please sign up for an Economic 101 course. It would really enlighten you.

Taken plenty of econ thanks. Go back and review the history of ECNL before you post again.

I can tell that you didn’t pass any Econ classes. I still don’t understand why anyone wants just one league. Must be based upon the illusion of elitist mentality. Sorry, buddy, but your little Mia is and will not be Mia Hamm.

One league is fine as long as it is an open system (i.e. any club can join) and has promotion and relegation (so the best teams move up). ECNL and GA are both closed leagues.

How would you manage a league that any club can join and has promotion and relegation? How do you relegate or promote an entire club?

Ummmm EDP??

[Anonymous]

NCSL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are just butt hurt that you didn't get in. If ECNL was the only game in town, it would be cheaper. GA fees will likely be higher than ECNL this year.

Explain how ECNL would be cheaper if it had a monopoly.

Scale. The more teams you have, the more likely it is that your travel radius reduces in conference. There would also be more showcases to choose from, potentially shortening travel as well.
Realize that most of the expense incurred to a family is travel related.

There’s reasons why the US laws in place to prevent monopoly.

Imagine how expensive and poor quality you get if there’s only one choice for any good or services without any competition.

Again, please sign up for an Economic 101 course. It would really enlighten you.

Taken plenty of econ thanks. Go back and review the history of ECNL before you post again.

I can tell that you didn’t pass any Econ classes. I still don’t understand why anyone wants just one league. Must be based upon the illusion of elitist mentality. Sorry, buddy, but your little Mia is and will not be Mia Hamm.

Karen, I don't want one league. As I posted earlier, one big league can't possibly serve the needs of such a big country. The truly elite, in particular, are not well served by one league, and to be clear, they are not any better off in the current morass of leagues. We would need some tiering to occur to consolidate the best players. If the fed has a role in youth soccer, it would be funding an NT feeder league like this.

In this thread, the question had turned to cost, and this is the one area where one league can help because theoretically scale can lower costs, although here it would not be because of production efficiencies, it would be because of lowering travel costs, which dominate expenses for families. You can see this occurring today with ECNL making more aggressive attempts to regionalize conferences. I suspect most people think this is a good thing. As an aside, ECNL takes a cut from travel. I am not altogether clear if that cut goes to ECNL or to each member club, but as a whole they are actually disincentivized to reduce travel BTW. Yet that is the direction we are heading with a bigger league.