actual evidence of mail in ballot fraud and you will never guess which party

[Anonymous]

Right, and as many states have learned, limiting people to a 12 hour window on a work day, with limited polling machines and limited polling places is not the best way to make sure everyone has the right to cast a vote. I am glad we are moving to the 21st century.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm not OK with it. It ALL needs to be clamped down on regardless of who it helps/hurts.

If you believe your vote is important, then get to the polls. Outside of being bed ridden or out of town, there are very few other excuses. If you think it's an inconvenience, then too bad.


Many people work and cannot get to polls on a Tuesday.
Many people have elder or child care and cannot get to polls on a Tuesday.
Many places have limited the number of polling places causing long lines, hours long. How do you get to work when you are stuck in line for hours?
Many places have limited the number of voting booths in their polling places causing long lines, hours long. How do you get to work when you are stuck in line for hours?

I could go on, but it is BS, because you like to think everyone fits into some perfect box.

This one is huge. When Virginia first allowed voting on other days ahead of time, they made you have a very specific reason (which were only a couple of things like being out of town on election day). I went and the guy in front of me, an elderly gentleman was told he didn't qualify even though he said he had to take care of grandchildren all day and would not be able to make it on election day. I was livid. He was disenfranchised.

Thankfully Virginia has changed and anyone can vote early and now you can vote mail in as well. People do get a clue, but as Winston Churchill said, "you can count on the Americans to make the right decision after they have exhausted all the other options."

Correction dp, old guy was not disenfranchised. He could vote in the regular polling day. He still got to vote, he just had to abide by...the rules.

So, why did the WH press secretary get to mail in her vote 11 times ?

[Anonymous]

Pretty much everyone in Utah votes by mail. I read Republicans are actually more likely to vote by mail than other groups which have a mistrust of three mail. This is just Trump trying to get attention in battleground states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty much everyone in Utah votes by mail. I read Republicans are actually more likely to vote by mail than other groups which have a mistrust of three mail. This is just Trump trying to get attention in battleground states.

Interesting.. I googled that, and it's true.

https://www.deseret.com/indepth/2020/4/14/21215746/coronavirus-covid-19-utah-vote-by-mail-republican-democrat-election-2020-trump-nancy-pelosi

The Beehive State launched its universal vote-by-mail system in 2012 and remains one of the most reliably Republican states in the country.

It seems to me that some Rs are trying really hard to justify not having mail in votes by saying it's being forced on people, which IMO, is a weak argument. If you force people to go to a physical place while a pandemic is going on, that's also "forcing" people to endanger themselves.

Declining voter turnout was the problem Utah officials were trying to solve when they looked at expanding the existing program of sending absentee ballots to those who requested them to a universal vote by mail for everyone.

For decades, participation by eligible voters in Utah had been dropping and fell below the national average in 2000. Easing restrictions to absentee balloting and registration had modest effects on turnout in the ensuing years. In 2009, a state commission looking to shore up the sagging numbers explored vote by mail, which was well established in Oregon and Washington, as a possible solution. But it wasn’t until Eliason sponsored legislation in 2012 allowing counties to voluntarily conduct elections by mail that the idea took hold in Utah.

“The key difference between what we did and what’s trying to happen on the national scene is ours was voluntary,” said state Rep. Steve Eliason, a Republican who sponsored the state’s first vote-by-0mail legislation. “It wasn’t crammed down any political subdivision’s throat.”

[Anonymous]

The GOP only wants to ban mail-in voting in places where GOP voters are not in high numbers.

[Anonymous]

Seems as if there is some truth to mail in ballot fraud.

​In 2007, during a spirited debate over photo ID legislation while I was in the Texas Legislature, a Democratic lawmaker from Dallas objected to the bill on the grounds that it allowed voting by mail to proceed without photo identification.

The legislator said: “Vote by mail, that we know, is the greatest source of voter fraud in this state. In fact, all of the prosecutions by the attorney general – I shouldn’t say all, but a great majority of the prosecutions by the attorney general occur with respect to vote by mail.”

As the official now charged with prosecuting election fraud in Texas, I can say unequivocally that the legislator was right: going back more than a decade and continuing through the present day, around two-thirds of election fraud offenses prosecuted by my office have involved some form of mail-ballot fraud.

These prosecutions include instances of forgery and falsification of ballots.

One man pleaded guilty after forging 1,200 mail-in ballot applications, resulting in 700 suspected fraudulent votes in a 2017 Dallas election. He was identified after a voter, whose ballot he harvested, snapped a photo of him on her cellphone.

“Authentic” signatures are also collected from voters, either under false pretenses or by experienced harvesters who confidently gain compliance from voters, as illustrated in a video that surfaced during the 2018 primary in the Houston area.

The anonymous video appears to show how easily a ballot application and signature were collected from a voter by a campaign worker in less than 20 seconds. After providing her signature, the voter asked the worker: “Is this legal, what you’re doing?” The worker replied: “Yes, ma’am, we’ve done 400 already.”

In South Texas, a former U.S. Postal Service employee was convicted of bribery in a federal prosecution in 2017 for selling a list of absentee voters to vote harvesters for $1,200.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/texas-ag-ken-paxton-trump-is-right-and-twitter-is-wrong-is-saying-mail-in-ballot-fraud-is-a-real-problem

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Anonymous wrote:Seems as if there is some truth to mail in ballot fraud.

​In 2007, during a spirited debate over photo ID legislation while I was in the Texas Legislature, a Democratic lawmaker from Dallas objected to the bill on the grounds that it allowed voting by mail to proceed without photo identification.

The legislator said: “Vote by mail, that we know, is the greatest source of voter fraud in this state. In fact, all of the prosecutions by the attorney general – I shouldn’t say all, but a great majority of the prosecutions by the attorney general occur with respect to vote by mail.”

As the official now charged with prosecuting election fraud in Texas, I can say unequivocally that the legislator was right: going back more than a decade and continuing through the present day, around two-thirds of election fraud offenses prosecuted by my office have involved some form of mail-ballot fraud.

These prosecutions include instances of forgery and falsification of ballots.

One man pleaded guilty after forging 1,200 mail-in ballot applications, resulting in 700 suspected fraudulent votes in a 2017 Dallas election. He was identified after a voter, whose ballot he harvested, snapped a photo of him on her cellphone.

“Authentic” signatures are also collected from voters, either under false pretenses or by experienced harvesters who confidently gain compliance from voters, as illustrated in a video that surfaced during the 2018 primary in the Houston area.

The anonymous video appears to show how easily a ballot application and signature were collected from a voter by a campaign worker in less than 20 seconds. After providing her signature, the voter asked the worker: “Is this legal, what you’re doing?” The worker replied: “Yes, ma’am, we’ve done 400 already.”

In South Texas, a former U.S. Postal Service employee was convicted of bribery in a federal prosecution in 2017 for selling a list of absentee voters to vote harvesters for $1,200.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/texas-ag-ken-paxton-trump-is-right-and-twitter-is-wrong-is-saying-mail-in-ballot-fraud-is-a-real-problem

The R in UT who implemented vote by mail disagrees. And the only reason he, a R, doesn't want mail in ballots nationally is because he thinks it's fed over reach, not because there is too much room for fraud.

Eliason, an accountant and a former auditing manager, is convinced voting by mail has more controls to identify and prevent fraud than in-person voting.

While Eliason may agree with Democrats in debunking the myths surrounding voting by mail, he joins his Republican colleagues in protesting the spending billions of dollars to get states to change their voting laws and procedures in the throes of a crisis.

https://www.deseret.com/indepth/2020/4/14/21215746/coronavirus-covid-19-utah-vote-by-mail-republican-democrat-election-2020-trump-nancy-pelosi

Voter fraud can happen even if it's done in person. But either way, the incidence of fraud has been low. Even Trump's own Election Commission couldn't find wide spread fraud in 2016, which also included mail in ballots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not OK with it. It ALL needs to be clamped down on regardless of who it helps/hurts.

If you believe your vote is important, then get to the polls. Outside of being bed ridden or out of town, there are very few other excuses. If you think it's an inconvenience, then too bad.

Your opinion is un-American and you should be ashamed of yourself. Go back to Russia, comrade. There they vote for you so you won’t have to worry about the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems as if there is some truth to mail in ballot fraud.

​In 2007, during a spirited debate over photo ID legislation while I was in the Texas Legislature, a Democratic lawmaker from Dallas objected to the bill on the grounds that it allowed voting by mail to proceed without photo identification.

The legislator said: “Vote by mail, that we know, is the greatest source of voter fraud in this state. In fact, all of the prosecutions by the attorney general – I shouldn’t say all, but a great majority of the prosecutions by the attorney general occur with respect to vote by mail.”

As the official now charged with prosecuting election fraud in Texas, I can say unequivocally that the legislator was right: going back more than a decade and continuing through the present day, around two-thirds of election fraud offenses prosecuted by my office have involved some form of mail-ballot fraud.

These prosecutions include instances of forgery and falsification of ballots.

One man pleaded guilty after forging 1,200 mail-in ballot applications, resulting in 700 suspected fraudulent votes in a 2017 Dallas election. He was identified after a voter, whose ballot he harvested, snapped a photo of him on her cellphone.

“Authentic” signatures are also collected from voters, either under false pretenses or by experienced harvesters who confidently gain compliance from voters, as illustrated in a video that surfaced during the 2018 primary in the Houston area.

The anonymous video appears to show how easily a ballot application and signature were collected from a voter by a campaign worker in less than 20 seconds. After providing her signature, the voter asked the worker: “Is this legal, what you’re doing?” The worker replied: “Yes, ma’am, we’ve done 400 already.”

In South Texas, a former U.S. Postal Service employee was convicted of bribery in a federal prosecution in 2017 for selling a list of absentee voters to vote harvesters for $1,200.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/texas-ag-ken-paxton-trump-is-right-and-twitter-is-wrong-is-saying-mail-in-ballot-fraud-is-a-real-problem

The R in UT who implemented vote by mail disagrees. And the only reason he, a R, doesn't want mail in ballots nationally is because he thinks it's fed over reach, not because there is too much room for fraud.

Eliason, an accountant and a former auditing manager, is convinced voting by mail has more controls to identify and prevent fraud than in-person voting.

While Eliason may agree with Democrats in debunking the myths surrounding voting by mail, he joins his Republican colleagues in protesting the spending billions of dollars to get states to change their voting laws and procedures in the throes of a crisis.

https://www.deseret.com/indepth/2020/4/14/21215746/coronavirus-covid-19-utah-vote-by-mail-republican-democrat-election-2020-trump-nancy-pelosi

Voter fraud can happen even if it's done in person. But either way, the incidence of fraud has been low. Even Trump's own Election Commission couldn't find wide spread fraud in 2016, which also included mail in ballots.

It took Utah and the other states that use snly mail in ballots YEARS to make it work. It is not cheap. It requires time, updated registration roles, new machines, and a trained workforce.
It is simply not something that can happen in a few months.

Even 538 questions whether changing to all mail-in voting is doable for the next election. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/few-states-are-prepared-to-switch-to-voting-by-mail-that-could-make-for-a-messy-election/

Utah: https://reasonstobecheerful.world/utah-vote-by-mail-coronavirus/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The GOP only wants to ban mail-in voting in places where GOP voters are not in high numbers.

This is exactly it. The GOP doesn't care if Republicans vote by mail in higher numbers because shutting down vote by mail is only half the plan.

The second half is implementing voter ID laws then shutting down polling places and DMVs in urban Democratic majority areas, so that Democratic voters don't turn out when there is an 8 hour long line to vote and get turned away because they don't have an ID - which they couldn't get because the nearest DMV to them takes half a day to get there via bus and also has huge lines.

Meanwhile rural and suburban GOP voters breeze in and out of their polling place because none of theirs were shut down, and they already have an ID because everyone needs to drive out there.

Counties across the country continue to eliminate polling places. Just last month, Indiana Secretary of State Connie Lawson, a Republican, removed 170, mostly Democratic voting precincts from Lake County — home to the state’s largest Latino and second-largest black communities. https://www.governing.com/topics/politics/sl-polling-place-close-ahead-of-november-elections-black-voters.html

In majority-minority urban counties, voters lost an average of seven polling places and more than 200 of the workers who help them cast ballots between 2012 and 2016.

And, the dearth of places to vote was far worse in some big cities. Election administrators in Chicago’s Cook County closed or moved 95 polling places; Los Angeles County closed 88 sites, and Houston’s Harris County eliminated 27. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/10/30/midterm-elections-closed-voting-sites-impact-minority-voter-turnout/1774221002/

How about Georgia, where Democrat Stacey Abrams is trying to ride an emerging Democratic majority to victory against Kemp and hasten the end of two decades of white Republican dominance? Surprise, surprise: More than 200 polls have closed since the Roberts Court gave the state a green light to discriminate. And as The Atlanta Journal-Constitution revealed this summer (Kemp’s secretary of state office conveniently keeps no track of the closures), they correlate in near-perfect synchronicity with concentrations of high poverty rates across the state—the places where fewer people have cars to drive to the polls, where public transportation is often non-existent, and where African Americans vote Democratic. https://newrepublic.com/article/151966/gops-sneakiest-voter-suppression-tactic

[Anonymous]

Kaleigh pointing out the hypocrisy of these lefty states

[Anonymous]

Because she is so truthful.

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[Anonymous]

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Dems? Hello? Anyone out there?

[Anonymous]

And only valid people can sign and send back, and yes, it is cross checked, and it is a felony to do otherwise.