Tech CEOs predicting WFH will be permanent, and many employees will never come to an office again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Young “Creative” class leaving too. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-20/young-join-the-rich-fleeing-america-s-big-cities-for-suburbs

ok, but it's not about wfh really, and they are not moving to podunk tiny town. Much of the move is also due to home prices in the bigger cities being out of reach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once the top 10% of employers normalize WFH then everyone else has to follow or they lose all their talent. Why do you think Dorsey came out with his announcement about Twitter? It’s a war for talent. Some posters on here clearly have no connection to tech. The FANGs have been 20% wfh for years. This just normalized full wfh. If productivity is the same or better (and it is, better) then who cares? When you pay a mid level developer $500k/yr you don’t need face time or micromanagement, they are more or less autonomous.

+1 A 500K dev is not going to dial it in just because there is no face time.

[Anonymous]

Facebook, twitter and Shopify all take hyperaggressive and supportive WFH posture.

[Anonymous]

SURPRISE!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/zuckerberg-50percent-of-facebook-employees-could-be-working-remotely.html

Zuckerberg says employees moving out of Silicon Valley may face pay cuts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am in the Feds, if my contracting staff insists on teleworking I'll most likely just not renew all the positions that opt out. While I know no one wants to get sick, it is hard enough to manipulate a bureaucracy when present. I get great product out of maybe 30% of the people anyway. This will be a decent way to cull to dead weight. Labor protections don't point to the Gov either, they point to their defense contractor overlords.

My advice to workers out there. If you draw a line in the sand, you better be indispensable. I suspect I'll have a dozen behind you shortly who will take your spot and come in. Not wanting to get sick is not a protected class

lots of people will learn this the hard way

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SURPRISE!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/zuckerberg-50percent-of-facebook-employees-could-be-working-remotely.html

Zuckerberg says employees moving out of Silicon Valley may face pay cuts

Cost of living adjustments are completely reasonable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once the top 10% of employers normalize WFH then everyone else has to follow or they lose all their talent. Why do you think Dorsey came out with his announcement about Twitter? It’s a war for talent. Some posters on here clearly have no connection to tech. The FANGs have been 20% wfh for years. This just normalized full wfh. If productivity is the same or better (and it is, better) then who cares? When you pay a mid level developer $500k/yr you don’t need face time or micromanagement, they are more or less autonomous.

+1 A 500K dev is not going to dial it in just because there is no face time.

Just curious where the data about such a high salary for mid software developer is taken..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am in the Feds, if my contracting staff insists on teleworking I'll most likely just not renew all the positions that opt out. While I know no one wants to get sick, it is hard enough to manipulate a bureaucracy when present. I get great product out of maybe 30% of the people anyway. This will be a decent way to cull to dead weight. Labor protections don't point to the Gov either, they point to their defense contractor overlords.

My advice to workers out there. If you draw a line in the sand, you better be indispensable. I suspect I'll have a dozen behind you shortly who will take your spot and come in. Not wanting to get sick is not a protected class

It's not like particularly smart or innovative people are lining up for these horrendous contracting jobs. I don't think most people will miss you to be honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once the top 10% of employers normalize WFH then everyone else has to follow or they lose all their talent. Why do you think Dorsey came out with his announcement about Twitter? It’s a war for talent. Some posters on here clearly have no connection to tech. The FANGs have been 20% wfh for years. This just normalized full wfh. If productivity is the same or better (and it is, better) then who cares? When you pay a mid level developer $500k/yr you don’t need face time or micromanagement, they are more or less autonomous.

+1 A 500K dev is not going to dial it in just because there is no face time.

Just curious where the data about such a high salary for mid software developer is taken..

yea, I'm curious about that, too. Mid level developers at places like Google and FB make maybe $200K? The average salary for a midlevel in SV is about $120k-$130K.

Also, places like Google and FB don't encourage wfh normally, and I don't see them changing this stance after the crisis passes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SURPRISE!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/zuckerberg-50percent-of-facebook-employees-could-be-working-remotely.html

Zuckerberg says employees moving out of Silicon Valley may face pay cuts

Would you rather make $350k in SF or $270k in Austin or Nashville? That's the type of cut he means, i.e. way in the employee's favor in terms of COLA and quality of life.

[Anonymous]

Like anything, this will have a marginal effect, maybe 10% of workers will opt for it, but that is still a huge shift in local demand, especially for new employees weighing whether to move to a place like the Bay Area, or stay where they are.

How many people would choose to move to a high COL area like the Bay Area if they already do not? My guess is very few. Same thing for DC area. There is nothing here to draw people other than a job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like anything, this will have a marginal effect, maybe 10% of workers will opt for it, but that is still a huge shift in local demand, especially for new employees weighing whether to move to a place like the Bay Area, or stay where they are.

How many people would choose to move to a high COL area like the Bay Area if they already do not? My guess is very few. Same thing for DC area. There is nothing here to draw people other than a job.

Many of my friends are crammed into SF/SV and I think way more than 10% would opt to move out. The male/female ratio is so unbalanced in the Bay Area that most of them (males) want to move just to try to access a better dating market. Facebook and Twitter may have opened the floodgates here.

[Anonymous]

The beneficiaries will be the decent-sized cities or resort areas 2-3 hours away from the tech hubs, which can get out to the Valley once or twice a month if they needed to.

I mean if you're living in Frederick, Harrisburg, Annapolis, Richmond, Lancaster, or York, you can head in to DC once a month if you had to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am in the Feds, if my contracting staff insists on teleworking I'll most likely just not renew all the positions that opt out. While I know no one wants to get sick, it is hard enough to manipulate a bureaucracy when present. I get great product out of maybe 30% of the people anyway. This will be a decent way to cull to dead weight. Labor protections don't point to the Gov either, they point to their defense contractor overlords.

My advice to workers out there. If you draw a line in the sand, you better be indispensable. I suspect I'll have a dozen behind you shortly who will take your spot and come in. Not wanting to get sick is not a protected class

It's not like particularly smart or innovative people are lining up for these horrendous contracting jobs. I don't think most people will miss you to be honest.

I also have my doubts that even a dozen people are lining up to commute downtown for 80-120k jobs with even the ability to bluff through an interview, much less do good work.

I also suspect once that PP starts laying off people, the 30% who provide great product will start to bail, leaving him with the deadwood.

If that PP is in the cleared world he most certainly doesn't have a dozen people lining up to replace his perceived deadwood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am in the Feds, if my contracting staff insists on teleworking I'll most likely just not renew all the positions that opt out. While I know no one wants to get sick, it is hard enough to manipulate a bureaucracy when present. I get great product out of maybe 30% of the people anyway. This will be a decent way to cull to dead weight. Labor protections don't point to the Gov either, they point to their defense contractor overlords.

My advice to workers out there. If you draw a line in the sand, you better be indispensable. I suspect I'll have a dozen behind you shortly who will take your spot and come in. Not wanting to get sick is not a protected class

It's not like particularly smart or innovative people are lining up for these horrendous contracting jobs. I don't think most people will miss you to be honest.

I also have my doubts that even a dozen people are lining up to commute downtown for 80-120k jobs with even the ability to bluff through an interview, much less do good work.

I also suspect once that PP starts laying off people, the 30% who provide great product will start to bail, leaving him with the deadwood.

If that PP is in the cleared world he most certainly doesn't have a dozen people lining up to replace his perceived deadwood.

+1 The above was from a very silly fed with an inflated sense of ego.