Washington National Cathedral — Sacrilegious Prom Dance in Nave?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's sacrilegious but the Episcopal Church is dying and needs money to fix the cathedral.

Oh hi, Anglican poster who is still mad that you guys didn’t get to keep the church buildings when you split off!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it a consecrated space in the nave? The link is directly from the Cathedral, so it’s not another outside organization.

I once went to a private event at the top floor in the place where they have their Cathedral teas. That would seem to be an appropriate place for this event.

Episcopalians don't "consecrate" spaces with a splash of holy water the way Roman Catholics do. Besides Cathedrals have a long history of being community gathering places.

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I’m an Episcopalian priest. We do consecrate. Google episcopal consecrate

Looked it up and here's what I found: "Episcopal consecration (or ordination) confers the fullness of the Sacrament of Holy Orders. This consecration, which is known as the high priesthood, makes a man a bishop. It confers the office (duty, function) of sanctifying. It also confers the duties of teaching and ruling in communion with the head and members of the College of Bishops."https://afc.org/fc_question/what-does-episcopal-consecration-or-ordination-confer/

So, a place is not consecrated "with a splash of holy water." Rather, people are consecrated, when they enter the episcopal priesthood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it a consecrated space in the nave? The link is directly from the Cathedral, so it’s not another outside organization.

I once went to a private event at the top floor in the place where they have their Cathedral teas. That would seem to be an appropriate place for this event.

Episcopalians don't "consecrate" spaces with a splash of holy water the way Roman Catholics do. Besides Cathedrals have a long history of being community gathering places.

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I’m an Episcopalian priest. We do consecrate. Google episcopal consecrate

Looked it up and here's what I found: "Episcopal consecration (or ordination) confers the fullness of the Sacrament of Holy Orders. This consecration, which is known as the high priesthood, makes a man a bishop. It confers the office (duty, function) of sanctifying. It also confers the duties of teaching and ruling in communion with the head and members of the College of Bishops."https://afc.org/fc_question/what-does-episcopal-consecration-or-ordination-confer/

So, a place is not consecrated "with a splash of holy water." Rather, people are consecrated, when they enter the episcopal priesthood.

So by your definition the Cathedral is not a consecrated building? Just the people in it? I would think the Episcopalian priest would know what they are talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it a consecrated space in the nave? The link is directly from the Cathedral, so it’s not another outside organization.

I once went to a private event at the top floor in the place where they have their Cathedral teas. That would seem to be an appropriate place for this event.

Episcopalians don't "consecrate" spaces with a splash of holy water the way Roman Catholics do. Besides Cathedrals have a long history of being community gathering places.

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I’m an Episcopalian priest. We do consecrate. Google episcopal consecrate

Looked it up and here's what I found: "Episcopal consecration (or ordination) confers the fullness of the Sacrament of Holy Orders. This consecration, which is known as the high priesthood, makes a man a bishop. It confers the office (duty, function) of sanctifying. It also confers the duties of teaching and ruling in communion with the head and members of the College of Bishops." https://afc.org/fc_question/what-does-episcopal-consecration-or-ordination-confer/

So, a place is not consecrated "with a splash of holy water." Rather, people are consecrated, when they enter the episcopal priesthood.

So by your definition the Cathedral is not a consecrated building? Just the people in it? I would think the Episcopalian priest would know what they are talking about.

Googling what the episcopalian priest suggested produced the above - which actually comes from a Roman Catholic site.

THe above definition is from

[Anonymous]

Please consider joining the SSPX. None 9f this nonsense in Traditional Catholic chapels

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please consider joining the SSPX. None 9f this nonsense in Traditional Catholic chapels

No, in Catholic Chapels, there's a different kind of nonesense. And many European Catholic chapels have been deconsecrated and turned into markets, or museums or private homes

[Anonymous]

What is this, Footloose? God hates dancing again suddenly and we are back in 1984?

[Anonymous]

NCS alum, who grew up Episcopalian and loves the Cathedral, here. I’m thoroughly on the “the Cathedral needs money to fix the earthquake damage” side instead of “Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple” side. Although many good friends who also love the Cathedral have that opinion and I respect it.

There’s a lot of misinformation in this thread. The upstairs space is nowhere near as large as the nave (just look at the thing - the upstairs space just the two towers on the west side) so it is not a substitute for the nave space.

And the Cathedral did not hold these paid events, or charge admission, or have a weekly congregation until after the earthquake. All of this is a direct response to a disaster and a critical lack of funds to fix the damage. What are you supposed to do you when God doesn’t provide?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NCS alum, who grew up Episcopalian and loves the Cathedral, here. I’m thoroughly on the “the Cathedral needs money to fix the earthquake damage” side instead of “Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple” side. Although many good friends who also love the Cathedral have that opinion and I respect it.

There’s a lot of misinformation in this thread. The upstairs space is nowhere near as large as the nave (just look at the thing - the upstairs space just the two towers on the west side) so it is not a substitute for the nave space.

And the Cathedral did not hold these paid events, or charge admission, or have a weekly congregation until after the earthquake. All of this is a direct response to a disaster and a critical lack of funds to fix the damage. What are you supposed to do you when God doesn’t provide?

Who sent the earthquake?

[Anonymous]

Pagans are invading!,,,,,, Dancers ante portas!!!!

Run for your life!

Wait!.... I am the Lord of the dance said He.

OK. All good, as you were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. As a French person, that seems very shocking to me. No church in France has such events in their nave.

To most French catholics anything they do there .. sacral services or civic events is probably
Equal heresy. However if you are french Catholic then what is worse heretics praying or atheist dancing in a
Building that you don't consider a church to begin with because it has not been consecrated by bishop.

So why the drama.?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NCS alum, who grew up Episcopalian and loves the Cathedral, here. I’m thoroughly on the “the Cathedral needs money to fix the earthquake damage” side instead of “Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple” side. Although many good friends who also love the Cathedral have that opinion and I respect it.

There’s a lot of misinformation in this thread. The upstairs space is nowhere near as large as the nave (just look at the thing - the upstairs space just the two towers on the west side) so it is not a substitute for the nave space.

And the Cathedral did not hold these paid events, or charge admission, or have a weekly congregation until after the earthquake. All of this is a direct response to a disaster and a critical lack of funds to fix the damage. What are you supposed to do you when God doesn’t provide?

Who sent the earthquake?

Note that I said I “grew up Episcopalian.” A paper I wrote in 7th grade at NCS made me an atheist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pagans are invading!,,,,,, Dancers ante portas!!!!

Run for your life!

Wait!.... I am the Lord of the dance said He.

OK. All good, as you were.

Nice justification. I’m sure God will be pleased when “I’m in love with your Body” is playing in what to many is the sacred heart of the Cathedral.

The ends justices the means for this crowd. Maybe if they wouldn’t pander to pop culture, hippy-dippy yoga events they would attract committed, generous tithe-paying congregants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is this, Footloose? God hates dancing again suddenly and we are back in


You sound very immature. The issue is whether this event is appropriate in the Nave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NCS alum, who grew up Episcopalian and loves the Cathedral, here. I’m thoroughly on the “the Cathedral needs money to fix the earthquake damage” side instead of “Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple” side. Although many good friends who also love the Cathedral have that opinion and I respect it.

There’s a lot of misinformation in this thread. The upstairs space is nowhere near as large as the nave (just look at the thing - the upstairs space just the two towers on the west side) so it is not a substitute for the nave space.

And the Cathedral did not hold these paid events, or charge admission, or have a weekly congregation until after the earthquake. All of this is a direct response to a disaster and a critical lack of funds to fix the damage. What are you supposed to do you when God doesn’t provide?

Where is the misinformation? I talked about the upstairs social rooms, and I attend a rather large dinner and reception on the entire top floor. Yes, certainly that space is not as big as the Nave! What space would be? I never said it was. But the leadership didn’t HAVE to have a gigantic “Prom” unless it’s all about making money and allowing more people in to oooh and ahhh at the strobe lights bouncing off the Nave ceiling.

And the critical repair work to the Cathedral IS DONE. The rest is cosmetic, and although not ideal with proper leadership they could secure funding.