It appears Bolton's book undercuts Trump's defense

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Anonymous wrote:So, Bolton's manuscript was "leaked"? Guess what?
1. He isn't a government employees. His manuscript doesn't deserve any special protection. Unless it is classified.
2. Bolton isn't a government employee anymore and doesn't have access to classified computers. If his manuscript contains classified information then HE is a leaker for writing classified information outside of classified spaces/IT.

No matter how you slice it, this is fishy. And the smell is coming from Bolton.

You don’t understand how this works.

Anyone who has held a clearance has to submit anything they write that’s related to their job to the government for pre-pub review. This is a lifelong obligation.

Don’t write about things you clearly don’t know about.

No. I do know how it works. I have done pre-pub review on my resume. It had to be written on a classified computer. Because if it isn't written on a classified computer and there is something classified in the document (and the point of the review is to determine this), then the writer just mishandled classified information and could go to jail. How would Bolton, who is no longer a government employee, have access to a classified computer?

That’s not how it works at my agency. I have an exceptionally high clearance, though, so policies might vary. At my agency student interns even have to submit their papers for PRB review when they go back to school between summers working with us.

Yes. BEFORE they go back to school. Because once they go back to school, they don't have access to classified computers to write their resumes.

It sounds like maybe you have never done one. And I have. So...

No. This is after they go back.

I know what I’m talking about.

Ok. I have an idea. You have an "exceptionally high clearance", right (just like several hundred thousand other people)? How about you write a draft of your resume on your laptop right now. Then print a copy. And bring it to work tomorrow. And submit it for pre-pub review. If it is determined that your resume does in fact contain classified information, then you put classified information on your personal computer connected to the internet. That is why writing your non-pre-pubbed resume on an unclassified system is a potential leak of classified information. You're welcome.

Just stop. Seriously. You might be accurately describing what you are required to do, but I am under different requirements.

You’re just making yourself sound ignorant. I know what I signed onto when I took my job.

DP. I have also held an "exceptionally high clearance" position with the government, and I can't imagine it would be ok to write a work-related document needing pre-pub review on an unclassified system. It sounds like you took a job with Inspector Gadget.

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You get your resume for use externally approved via a classified email on a classified system. Only then can you use it in the outside world.

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Anonymous wrote:So, Bolton's manuscript was "leaked"? Guess what?
1. He isn't a government employees. His manuscript doesn't deserve any special protection. Unless it is classified.
2. Bolton isn't a government employee anymore and doesn't have access to classified computers. If his manuscript contains classified information then HE is a leaker for writing classified information outside of classified spaces/IT.

No matter how you slice it, this is fishy. And the smell is coming from Bolton.

You don’t understand how this works.

Anyone who has held a clearance has to submit anything they write that’s related to their job to the government for pre-pub review. This is a lifelong obligation.

Don’t write about things you clearly don’t know about.

No. I do know how it works. I have done pre-pub review on my resume. It had to be written on a classified computer. Because if it isn't written on a classified computer and there is something classified in the document (and the point of the review is to determine this), then the writer just mishandled classified information and could go to jail. How would Bolton, who is no longer a government employee, have access to a classified computer?

That’s not how it works at my agency. I have an exceptionally high clearance, though, so policies might vary. At my agency student interns even have to submit their papers for PRB review when they go back to school between summers working with us.

Yes. BEFORE they go back to school. Because once they go back to school, they don't have access to classified computers to write their resumes.

It sounds like maybe you have never done one. And I have. So...

No. This is after they go back.

I know what I’m talking about.

Ok. I have an idea. You have an "exceptionally high clearance", right (just like several hundred thousand other people)? How about you write a draft of your resume on your laptop right now. Then print a copy. And bring it to work tomorrow. And submit it for pre-pub review. If it is determined that your resume does in fact contain classified information, then you put classified information on your personal computer connected to the internet. That is why writing your non-pre-pubbed resume on an unclassified system is a potential leak of classified information. You're welcome.

Just stop. Seriously. You might be accurately describing what you are required to do, but I am under different requirements.

You’re just making yourself sound ignorant. I know what I signed onto when I took my job.

If I'm wrong, they why won't you write your resume on your computer right now?

Huh? What are you asking me to do? Write it and post a screenshot?

I don’t have a resume for use externally, but I know plenty of student interns and others who need to work with the PRB on a regular basis.

Well, I really hope that none of them are told that the documents that they wrote on an unclassified system are in fact classified. Because they could go to jail.

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Bolton's attorney seems to confirm the content to be correct.

Also confirms the request that ONLY the people who routinely do the classified review have eyes on the manuscript. It is more than likely the White House violated the rules and thsu Whie House Counsel and by default, McConnell, also had eyes on the manuscript.

And then we wonder why the GOP wants to rush this through. It also makes me wonder if Pelosi knew about the review date (later this week) and thus explains why the House sat on this for a couple of weeks.

Shrewd.

It's also possible that McConnell knew about this and never shared this with the GOP senators and screwed them by rushing.

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I’m talking about writing a book or something after you leave. You seriously never talked about that possibility when the PRB briefed you during orientation?

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Here's the DOD instructions for prepub review.
https://www.esd.whs.mil/DOPSR/

They tell you to send it through US Mail, no mentioned of using classified computers. Which makes sense, I think. People do write books years, even decades after their clearances expire and they still have to submit them for review.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m talking about writing a book or something after you leave. You seriously never talked about that possibility when the PRB briefed you during orientation?

A book is an even better example of why documents not approved by pre-pub must be written on a classified system. And, no, there is no way that I could write a book about my government work. The vast majority of it was classified.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m talking about writing a book or something after you leave. You seriously never talked about that possibility when the PRB briefed you during orientation?

A book is an even better example of why documents not approved by pre-pub must be written on a classified system. And, no, there is no way that I could write a book about my government work. The vast majority of it was classified.

Yeah I couldn’t either. But people do.

I’m obviously talking about things written on an unclassified system.

This is CIA’s guidance, which discusses a lifelong commitment. Everyone who works there has a TS//SCI clearance, and yet plenty produce documents that need PRB review. That’s why the office exists.

https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/publications-review-board

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Anonymous wrote:I’m talking about writing a book or something after you leave. You seriously never talked about that possibility when the PRB briefed you during orientation?

A book is an even better example of why documents not approved by pre-pub must be written on a classified system. And, no, there is no way that I could write a book about my government work. The vast majority of it was classified.

Yeah I couldn’t either. But people do.

I’m obviously talking about things written on an unclassified system.

This is CIA’s guidance, which discusses a lifelong commitment. Everyone who works there has a TS//SCI clearance, and yet plenty produce documents that need PRB review. That’s why the office exists.

https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/publications-review-board

Ok. Write a book on an unclassified machine and put some TS//SCI stuff in there. You will go to jail.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m talking about writing a book or something after you leave. You seriously never talked about that possibility when the PRB briefed you during orientation?

A book is an even better example of why documents not approved by pre-pub must be written on a classified system. And, no, there is no way that I could write a book about my government work. The vast majority of it was classified.

Yeah I couldn’t either. But people do.

I’m obviously talking about things written on an unclassified system.

This is CIA’s guidance, which discusses a lifelong commitment. Everyone who works there has a TS//SCI clearance, and yet plenty produce documents that need PRB review. That’s why the office exists.

https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/publications-review-board

Ok. Write a book on an unclassified machine and put some TS//SCI stuff in there. You will go to jail.

Jesus. People write books about their work in the IC. They try to make sure it’s not classified. Just to be sure, CIA requires PRB review.

Why is that hard to understand?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m talking about writing a book or something after you leave. You seriously never talked about that possibility when the PRB briefed you during orientation?

A book is an even better example of why documents not approved by pre-pub must be written on a classified system. And, no, there is no way that I could write a book about my government work. The vast majority of it was classified.

Yeah I couldn’t either. But people do.

I’m obviously talking about things written on an unclassified system.

This is CIA’s guidance, which discusses a lifelong commitment. Everyone who works there has a TS//SCI clearance, and yet plenty produce documents that need PRB review. That’s why the office exists.

https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/publications-review-board

Ok. Write a book on an unclassified machine and put some TS//SCI stuff in there. You will go to jail.

Pre-pub will thank you for self-reporting at the sentencing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m talking about writing a book or something after you leave. You seriously never talked about that possibility when the PRB briefed you during orientation?

A book is an even better example of why documents not approved by pre-pub must be written on a classified system. And, no, there is no way that I could write a book about my government work. The vast majority of it was classified.

Yeah I couldn’t either. But people do.

I’m obviously talking about things written on an unclassified system.

This is CIA’s guidance, which discusses a lifelong commitment. Everyone who works there has a TS//SCI clearance, and yet plenty produce documents that need PRB review. That’s why the office exists.

https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/publications-review-board

Ok. Write a book on an unclassified machine and put some TS//SCI stuff in there. You will go to jail.

Pre-pub will thank you for self-reporting at the sentencing.

You people really don’t get it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m talking about writing a book or something after you leave. You seriously never talked about that possibility when the PRB briefed you during orientation?

A book is an even better example of why documents not approved by pre-pub must be written on a classified system. And, no, there is no way that I could write a book about my government work. The vast majority of it was classified.

Yeah I couldn’t either. But people do.

I’m obviously talking about things written on an unclassified system.

This is CIA’s guidance, which discusses a lifelong commitment. Everyone who works there has a TS//SCI clearance, and yet plenty produce documents that need PRB review. That’s why the office exists.

https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/publications-review-board

Ok. Write a book on an unclassified machine and put some TS//SCI stuff in there. You will go to jail.

Jesus. People write books about their work in the IC. They try to make sure it’s not classified. Just to be sure, CIA requires PRB review.

Why is that hard to understand?

The hard part to understand is you think that the U.S. government is encouraging people to write potentially classified documents on their personal computers, just "try to make sure its unclassified" but no biggie if you make a mistake.

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Huh? Read CIA’s guidance. There’s no encouragement happening. There’s a recognition that this happens—whether it’s a resume, book, or student paper—and they want eyes on it.

This isn’t a difficult concept.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m talking about writing a book or something after you leave. You seriously never talked about that possibility when the PRB briefed you during orientation?

A book is an even better example of why documents not approved by pre-pub must be written on a classified system. And, no, there is no way that I could write a book about my government work. The vast majority of it was classified.

Yeah I couldn’t either. But people do.

I’m obviously talking about things written on an unclassified system.

This is CIA’s guidance, which discusses a lifelong commitment. Everyone who works there has a TS//SCI clearance, and yet plenty produce documents that need PRB review. That’s why the office exists.

https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/publications-review-board

Ok. Write a book on an unclassified machine and put some TS//SCI stuff in there. You will go to jail.

Pre-pub will thank you for self-reporting at the sentencing.

You people really don’t get it.

I really don't. Do you not know about spillage? Does your agency not have hundreds of guys whose job is to handle spillage? Do you think they give out mulligans for that? Did the FBI not launch an investigation into Hillary Clinton over this issue?