Can you discriminate on religion when hiring a caregiver

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Anonymous wrote:Someone on our local facebook page has posted for a "Christian" nanny. This rubs me the wrong way - are you allowed to discriminate like this?

How about “has Christian values”? Does that feel better?

Yes, because the values are objective. Usually expected to honesty, compassion, empathy, etc.

How is that different from a person with Jewish values?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by this. My grandma is a very devout catholic and we’re hiring another caregiver for her. Most of duties involve just being her friend and being with her. She expects to pray the rosary, go to mass and read the Bible almost daily. I’m not a racist or discriminatory person but we were trying to find someone to be more of a companion to grandma. Preferably a person from a big catholic family.

Catholics really don’t read the Bible and we “say the rosary” not pray the rosary. I’m calling troll.

My grandmother was Irish and Catholic and deeply religious. Her paid caregiver was African and a devout Muslim - and quickly became my grandmother’s best friend. My grandmother loved her. Her caregiver took her to Mass and sat quietly, helping my grandmother to the altar to get communion where the priest would always give the caregiver a blessing.

Even religious schools don’t restrict employment to only teachers and assistants of the school’s religion.

Ridiculous to post for a “Christian nanny”.

DP. I’m AA and Catholic. My elderly mom reads the Bible daily, then attends morning mass, AND prays the Rosary. And, yes, she says pray and not say. And no one I know says “comes to the altar” for going up to receive communion. The only people who receive at the altar are the celebrants and any Eucharistic ministers or altar servers. But I don’t think you are ridiculous. Even within Catholicism, there are minor cultural differences. For example, in my mom’s parish and my parish, elderly communicants are not expected to walk to the front. Rather the Eucharistic minister comes to them.

Where do you take/get communion if not the altar rail?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by this. My grandma is a very devout catholic and we’re hiring another caregiver for her. Most of duties involve just being her friend and being with her. She expects to pray the rosary, go to mass and read the Bible almost daily. I’m not a racist or discriminatory person but we were trying to find someone to be more of a companion to grandma. Preferably a person from a big catholic family.

Catholics really don’t read the Bible and we “say the rosary” not pray the rosary. I’m calling troll.

My grandmother was Irish and Catholic and deeply religious. Her paid caregiver was African and a devout Muslim - and quickly became my grandmother’s best friend. My grandmother loved her. Her caregiver took her to Mass and sat quietly, helping my grandmother to the altar to get communion where the priest would always give the caregiver a blessing.

Even religious schools don’t restrict employment to only teachers and assistants of the school’s religion.

Ridiculous to post for a “Christian nanny”.

+1. I agree completely

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by this. My grandma is a very devout catholic and we’re hiring another caregiver for her. Most of duties involve just being her friend and being with her. She expects to pray the rosary, go to mass and read the Bible almost daily. I’m not a racist or discriminatory person but we were trying to find someone to be more of a companion to grandma. Preferably a person from a big catholic family.

Catholics really don’t read the Bible and we “say the rosary” not pray the rosary. I’m calling troll.

My grandmother was Irish and Catholic and deeply religious. Her paid caregiver was African and a devout Muslim - and quickly became my grandmother’s best friend. My grandmother loved her. Her caregiver took her to Mass and sat quietly, helping my grandmother to the altar to get communion where the priest would always give the caregiver a blessing.

Even religious schools don’t restrict employment to only teachers and assistants of the school’s religion.

Ridiculous to post for a “Christian nanny”.

DP. I’m AA and Catholic. My elderly mom reads the Bible daily, then attends morning mass, AND prays the Rosary. And, yes, she says pray and not say. And no one I know says “comes to the altar” for going up to receive communion. The only people who receive at the altar are the celebrants and any Eucharistic ministers or altar servers. But I don’t think you are ridiculous. Even within Catholicism, there are minor cultural differences. For example, in my mom’s parish and my parish, elderly communicants are not expected to walk to the front. Rather the Eucharistic minister comes to them.

Where do you take/get communion if not the altar rail?

Only older churches have a rail. In newer churches the altar is usually a raised platform with 2-3 broad stairs up. The priest descends to the main level in front. He is not at the altar.

When we belonged to a couple really huge parishes, there were as many as 8 Eucharistic ministers and often we received Communion from no further than halfway to the front. This was also the case when we visited cathedrals in Philly, Pittsburgh, Chicago and Toronto that rails so I know it’s not a DMV oddity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone on our local facebook page has posted for a "Christian" nanny. This rubs me the wrong way - are you allowed to discriminate like this?

How about “has Christian values”? Does that feel better?

Yes, because the values are objective. Usually expected to honesty, compassion, empathy, etc.

How is that different from a person with Jewish values?

There can be different religious interpretations on what is considered compassionate. In Judaism, an abortion can be considered compassionate. In Catholicism, it is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone on our local facebook page has posted for a "Christian" nanny. This rubs me the wrong way - are you allowed to discriminate like this?

How about “has Christian values”? Does that feel better?

What are Christian values? List them and I’ll tell you if good Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, etc have those values.

One often hears “Judeo-Christian”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Same as someone might only want a female nanny.

Most people don’t want just anyone left alone with their child at home. Way too risky!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone on our local facebook page has posted for a "Christian" nanny. This rubs me the wrong way - are you allowed to discriminate like this?

How about “has Christian values”? Does that feel better?

Yes, because the values are objective. Usually expected to honesty, compassion, empathy, etc.

How is that different from a person with Jewish values?

It’s not (IMO). That’s the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone on our local facebook page has posted for a "Christian" nanny. This rubs me the wrong way - are you allowed to discriminate like this?

How about “has Christian values”? Does that feel better?

Yes, because the values are objective. Usually expected to honesty, compassion, empathy, etc.

How is that different from a person with Jewish values?

There can be different religious interpretations on what is considered compassionate. In Judaism, an abortion can be considered compassionate. In Catholicism, it is not.

Why would a nanny be talking about abortion with her charges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by this. My grandma is a very devout catholic and we’re hiring another caregiver for her. Most of duties involve just being her friend and being with her. She expects to pray the rosary, go to mass and read the Bible almost daily. I’m not a racist or discriminatory person but we were trying to find someone to be more of a companion to grandma. Preferably a person from a big catholic family.

Catholics really don’t read the Bible and we “say the rosary” not pray the rosary. I’m calling troll.

My grandmother was Irish and Catholic and deeply religious. Her paid caregiver was African and a devout Muslim - and quickly became my grandmother’s best friend. My grandmother loved her. Her caregiver took her to Mass and sat quietly, helping my grandmother to the altar to get communion where the priest would always give the caregiver a blessing.

Even religious schools don’t restrict employment to only teachers and assistants of the school’s religion.

Ridiculous to post for a “Christian nanny”.

DP. I’m AA and Catholic. My elderly mom reads the Bible daily, then attends morning mass, AND prays the Rosary. And, yes, she says pray and not say. And no one I know says “comes to the altar” for going up to receive communion. The only people who receive at the altar are the celebrants and any Eucharistic ministers or altar servers. But I don’t think you are ridiculous. Even within Catholicism, there are minor cultural differences. For example, in my mom’s parish and my parish, elderly communicants are not expected to walk to the front. Rather the Eucharistic minister comes to them.

I'm Catholic and grew up in a very Irish Catholic family and I agree with the AA Catholic poster. I've absolutely heard references to "praying the rosary" (as opposed to "saying.")

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by this. My grandma is a very devout catholic and we’re hiring another caregiver for her. Most of duties involve just being her friend and being with her. She expects to pray the rosary, go to mass and read the Bible almost daily. I’m not a racist or discriminatory person but we were trying to find someone to be more of a companion to grandma. Preferably a person from a big catholic family.

Catholics really don’t read the Bible and we “say the rosary” not pray the rosary. I’m calling troll.

My grandmother was Irish and Catholic and deeply religious. Her paid caregiver was African and a devout Muslim - and quickly became my grandmother’s best friend. My grandmother loved her. Her caregiver took her to Mass and sat quietly, helping my grandmother to the altar to get communion where the priest would always give the caregiver a blessing.

Even religious schools don’t restrict employment to only teachers and assistants of the school’s religion.

Ridiculous to post for a “Christian nanny”.

DP. I’m AA and Catholic. My elderly mom reads the Bible daily, then attends morning mass, AND prays the Rosary. And, yes, she says pray and not say. And no one I know says “comes to the altar” for going up to receive communion. The only people who receive at the altar are the celebrants and any Eucharistic ministers or altar servers. But I don’t think you are ridiculous. Even within Catholicism, there are minor cultural differences. For example, in my mom’s parish and my parish, elderly communicants are not expected to walk to the front. Rather the Eucharistic minister comes to them.

Where do you take/get communion if not the altar rail?

I'm a lifelong Catholic who has lived in many different states and I have never seen a rail at a Catholic church, though I have seen them in movies. I belong to a very large parish and sometimes they typically have several Eucharistic ministers throughout the church. Last week I received communion in the back of the church (actually facing the back of the church.) And like another pp pointed out, ushers will notice elderly/disabled people who would find it hard to get up for communion, and will have a Eucharistic minister bring it to them (and their family members) right in their pew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone on our local facebook page has posted for a "Christian" nanny. This rubs me the wrong way - are you allowed to discriminate like this?

How about “has Christian values”? Does that feel better?

Yes, because the values are objective. Usually expected to honesty, compassion, empathy, etc.

How is that different from a person with Jewish values?

There can be different religious interpretations on what is considered compassionate. In Judaism, an abortion can be considered compassionate. In Catholicism, it is not.

Why would a nanny be talking about abortion with her charges?

Most of the time (99.99+%), they wouldn’t. I work with teen girls, no mother, and I’ve been asked to talk with them about a variety of subjects that most wouldn’t expect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone on our local facebook page has posted for a "Christian" nanny. This rubs me the wrong way - are you allowed to discriminate like this?

How about “has Christian values”? Does that feel better?

Yes, because the values are objective. Usually expected to honesty, compassion, empathy, etc.

How is that different from a person with Jewish values?

There can be different religious interpretations on what is considered compassionate. In Judaism, an abortion can be considered compassionate. In Catholicism, it is not.

Why would a nanny be talking about abortion with her charges?

Most of the time (99.99+%), they wouldn’t. I work with teen girls, no mother, and I’ve been asked to talk with them about a variety of subjects that most wouldn’t expect.

You’re a nanny who works with teenaged girls? What am I missing here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone on our local facebook page has posted for a "Christian" nanny. This rubs me the wrong way - are you allowed to discriminate like this?

https://gtm.com/household/prevent-discrimination/

sounds like you can't

but . . . if part of the caregiver's duties include teaching the child about religion? --
However, since religion and politics are more relevant in a domestic workplace setting than most others, it is recommended that parents who employ caregivers thoroughly articulate what the job responsibilities entail.

Via The Village confirmed with Hand in Hand , the domestic employer experts, that although domestic employers are limited in what they can ask, they are not completely restricted from the topic. Domestic employers are permitted to inquire if the candidate is comfortable in performing outlined job responsibilities.

A caregiver’s role is to support the child(ren) as defined by the job description. So if aiding your child with political or religious practice is part of the gig, it’s best to include that in the description.

Beyond the standard duties, responsibilities could also include assisting the child with their Hebrew or Bible studies, prayers before meals, or lighting of Diwali candles. On the other end of the spectrum, the family may be atheist or agnostic. They could have preference the caregiver abstains from any religious discussions with their child.

Parents, here are some questions you can ask during an interview:

Would you be comfortable assisting my child with our religious practices, then describe.
What would you do if our child displayed signs of homosexuality, gender dysphoria, etc?
Are there any religious practices that you will incorporate in the care of our child(ren)?
https://domesticemployers.org/can-you-choose-your-nannys-religion/

heck, report the post to FB since it entails unlawful conduct

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone on our local facebook page has posted for a "Christian" nanny. This rubs me the wrong way - are you allowed to discriminate like this?

How about “has Christian values”? Does that feel better?

What are Christian values? List them and I’ll tell you if good Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, etc have those values.

One often hears “Judeo-Christian”.

I think Christian values are the ones where if your hand offends you, you cut it off. Or the nanny could have the child give away her toys to the poor because, you know, that's what Jesus told the rich man to do to get to heaven.

Seriously, having been raised Lutheran (and no, I didn't get to decide if I went to confirmation, or Sunday school, much less church) I just don't remember hearing that phrase as part of my religious indoctrination and I find it just plain stupid.